Cloudz..I do not agree ... see above
The room has space for all
Even a Red Dog

SCHUMMY...Wrong. To delineate via latitude as to TC threat is irresponsible. The reality is that the vast majority of high level TCs begin outside of 160 and swiftly swing in (often as lows).
To regard 160 as some arbitrary line is ridiculous.

Now you're really confusing me - do you mean latitude or longitude ?? Also I don't think this thread was ever intended to replace the existing ones but as an added extra with a less formal structure, to allow discussion outside the present boundaries.

well take it up with BoM and the international met agencies (fiji met) if you have issues with it........if a few other members disagree with your idea, they do so for a reason....



yes as lows as you said, if they were TC's outside our AOR the fiji met does the forecasts, so why would we talk about a TC that isnt even listed by BoM in the CS thread? there is a world thread here for a reason....

how many "high level" (CAT4+) TC's have crossed the QLD coast in the last 100yrs? is it really worth it?

if you come onto this forum, get used to how things work instead of trying to change it because you think you know whats best....

and yes boomer does mean longitude cloudz

sorry mods........

Have no issues with those threads Schummy. The best way as far as I'm concerned is to divide up the states and take it from there. Anything that forms outside Australian boundaries in the world section can easily be pushed into the respected state threads if the cyclone does indeed move into those regions.

TS

Yes Cloudz I did mean longitude.. mega oops.
SCHUMMY As to coming onto this forum and seeing how it works I saw how badly it ran earlier this year. Yasi was appalling. I shut down well before the event as all I could hear was screaming (mainly from those not here).
Hence this forum

Thunder... Whole idea of this is so we can discuss what is likely.... ie Yasi in Fiji AOR.... a Gulf low brewing that crosses the Cape into the Coral Sea... it's about tracking lows... hence a forum where people can discuss it.

if there is a low brewing in the Gulf it is discussed in the NT TC thread, if the BoM start issuing warnings then a specific thread is created for that system (low or TC) so then it isnt specific to any AOR thread except it's own.

same with systems from fiji AOR, discuss them in the world thread, then when there are warnings issued, a thread is created specifically for that system and then if it moves west of 160E then the thread will be moved in to tropical forum.

we are still tracking developments, just the correct way.

i think this thread should be locked until the first BoM seasonal outlook comes out in 5 weeks, no point having a TC thread 2 months before the season....

SCHUMMY... You entirely miss the point. This thread is for those who wish to discuss the TC season without restriction (and to an extent region). Most importantly it is about AOR's and the right of forum watchers to have a place where they can discuss the movement low pressure systems across boundaries.
Several people were banned in the most recent season for lack of such space.
To even suggest this thread should be locked beggars belief.
The thread is up, accepted, and can only be removed by the Mods.
BTW: If you have any idea about living in the tropics .. stingers and cyclones... only in any month with an R in it.

so, which is the thread to discuss the current rain events?

Up to you Explorer

boomer, when was the earliest TC to cross the QLD coast in any season?

1864-67 ... 1000s before... I see your point.. what was recorded before?

At the beginning of this thread people, from all over, had begun a general chat about the upcoming cyclone season. Can't it just continue like that for those who wish to post here? I don't have any knowlege to contribute, only an occasional oppinion, but I enjoy reading what others post very much.

Agreed Cloudz... this is what the first post was

"A general discussion area for TCs both beyond and within 160 encompassing the Coral Sea (extends to within the Gulf and Eastern NT)"

Lets keep it that way

Yes but Popeye and his friends can come and play too.

Come on guys, I know I have not been on this forum long but arguing over a thread seems pretty pointless. Let's just use this thread as intended and let the mods decide what is and isn't acceptable. I know u all have different views and points, but I thought the idea of any of this threads was to hear everyone's opinion. I for one enjoy reading everyone's input.

It was requested last year that such a thread/forum as this be allowed to be created in the wake of the fiasco of the Yasi thread and several people, myself included, being banned for answering new members questions in the wrong bloody thread.

We should have a seperate forum as a place to ask:
1)how cyclones are formed,
2)why does the greatest rainfall fall in the south east quadrant,
3)what are SST's and what part do they play in cylone formations or
4)when was the earliest recorded cyclone month wise to ever cross the Qld/WA/NT coast or
5)what are the factors required for a cyclone to form etc

The reasons I have laid out above are just a few examples of why I think a seperate General Cyclone Lounge should be created.

Some of the more in depth questions asked last year and ones that I answered after doing a shed load of research and buried in among the muck that ended up as the Yasi General thread included: why doesn't the East Coast of South America ever record cyclones or what is the accuracy of climate modelling, why do the US have a typhoon watch service or why does the BoM have such out of date updates when tracking cyclones, or why can't we see live sat images or even whats the difference between a cyclone, typhoon and hurricane or even how come Victoria and South Australia don't have cyclones?

All questions that could be asked in the cyclone lounge and a resource for new members who can have basic questions answered without cluttering up specific threads. It shouldn't be that difficult to accomplish.

Create a new forum and have 4 or 5 stickied threads about some of the points I have highlighted above and get a couple of more mods to handle the increased traffic. Threads coiuld include topics such as:
1) What is the cyclone season?
2) What are the factors required for the formation of a cyclone?
3) What steering influences the direction a cyclone takes?
4) What are the cyclone categories and what do they mean in real life?
5) What are the building codes for cyclone areas?
6) Are trav and nitso nuts to track cyclones? (:D)
7) Why do we have an AOR and why is it where it is?

My suggestions are not meant to be slagging off of how weatherzone operates, more a suggestion of how to improve the whole cyclone learning experience to members, the media (lets face it they as a collective mob couldn't do research to save themselves and need to be spoon fed) and to the general public that want answers and come here hoping to find information and get swamped by the rubbish that went on last year.

So over to you Mods, Admins and members.

Sir boabtree, I completely agree cos as a newbie in the cyclone risk zone, I don't understand the whole thing about cyclones. I have never been in one but I know the basics of them and it would be so helpful with a forum or thread designed for tropical cyclones, typhoons and hurricanes, even tho I know all of these are the same thing just different names in different areas but someone else may not. People may wish to know the difference between a tc and ecl. Because to a beginner they would look the same considering they are both low pressure, except one is warm cored and the other is cold cored. Ecl being the latter. I came on this forum to gain more knowledge onto the knowledge I already have. I am quite knowledgable about how weather works etc but there r alot of this I don't know and I am sure there are a lot of people out there with my level of knowledge, plus people who have no idea. For example I saw someone in here earlier in the year panicking about a model projecting of yasi to hit Brisbane. This was a prediction 2 weeks out and I don't know much about models but I do know they r just that models. There not exact science. It is a projection of one possible outcome but this particular person started to freak out a bit. Now for people like them a beginners guide to tcs and models would be awesome.

Alot of people rely on this forum for info, myself included, cos hell I have alot of knowledge about weather but still I dot know everything and in the last 6 months or so I have gained heaps more info on stuff and I thank u. However we def need a info thread.

ok guys.
there will be no changes to the way the threads are dealt with this year. each AOR will have its own thread as has been the way for many years now. it has worked well and we dont see why that needs to change.
for cyclones that are in outside of the 160E, they will continue to be discussed in 'the world' forum, as per admins rules.
in the case of cyclones like Yasi, of course leeway can and will be given if it looks like the system will certainly move into the qld AOR. thats just common sense.

in regards to this specific thread that Boomer has created. i think its a good idea to have a place to discuss any technicalities of cyclones and ask question etc etc, exactly how it is worded, a "lounge". however it should cover the entire country not just Qld and GOC area.

when lows start to develop and look promising. then members can discuss the specific system in its relevant thread when the season is under way.