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#1013104 - 19/09/2011 16:24 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: snowbaby]
GrizzlyBear Offline
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Loc: Yetholme [1180m] Central Table...
Todayís 18.0 in Cabramurra is the highest for September in more than 15 years (or longer?). highest in this time was 17.5 on Sept 27th 08.

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#1013329 - 20/09/2011 07:26 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: AaronD]
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Originally Posted By: AaronD
it looks horrible doesnt it PeterDuke, the season is finished down there i think.
i cant work out if the latest snow depth charts are 113cm from snowy hydro? or if that was last week. maybe it should read 113mm. As always, never a good indication. Deep Ck at 21.6cm is maybe a better indication.


I had a big argument about this a couple of years ago, but it seems to be valid for the location where its measured. The location does hold some good snow drifts for a fair while. But it does make the measurement not really representative of the general area.

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#1013429 - 20/09/2011 15:11 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: GrizzlyBear]
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Surprisingly cold here! We've had hail and sago showers this afternoon.. Brrrrr!!

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#1013437 - 20/09/2011 15:59 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Fiona]
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Fiona - enjoy while you can - just nasty windy up here in Bathurst. Would be wild on the higher parts of the snowies too.

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#1013449 - 20/09/2011 17:03 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: snowbaby]
ja13 Offline
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Loc: Robertson 760asl
Well Mt Serlwyn is closed literally. Checked last night not one thing opened.

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#1013596 - 21/09/2011 16:58 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: ja13]
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Down in Thredbo with a school group this week. You can still ski top to bottom, albeit a bit patchy on the lower reaches of the Supertrail. I've skied down from The Basin to the bottom several times. High Noon closed the second day I was here after I skied it. It snowed yesterday and powdered the top up nicely. The kids and I are having a ball.
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#1013610 - 21/09/2011 18:45 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Inclement Weather]
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You have got to be joking....
http://ski.com.au/snowcams/australia/nsw/thredbo/thredbo.html
Even Merrits which is Thredbo's centerpiece is stuffed.
http://ski.com.au/snowcams/australia/nsw/thredbo/thredbo2.html
Even the very top looks pretty dodgy.

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#1013645 - 21/09/2011 22:02 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: GrizzlyBear]
ant Offline
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Yeah, they lost the section of the supertrail near Lovers Leap station back in early August. they were gone then. Still, if some people reckon it's worthwhile then I guess that's something. Paying $109 for that rubbish doesn't attact me! Even in peak conditions it doesn't attract me. I do hope they've reduced ticket prices by now (they hadn't last week). $25 would be about right.

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#1013685 - 22/09/2011 09:56 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: ant]
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man $109 is a bit much to go grass skiing. I seriously dont know how any one could say the cover is good top to bottom. Im so glad im not a snow person, otherwise i'd be rather annoyed with our crap ski seasons.

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#1013696 - 22/09/2011 12:13 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Tom1234]
ant Offline
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they are now charging $80 for a day ticket, although it looks like they pre-set the pricings before the season, based on date.

Here's a link to the page, as otherwise you have to go through 4 pages to get to it:
http://www.thredbo.com.au/bookings-and-tickets/lift-and-activity-prices/winter.asp

Many "snow people" now ski overseas... NZ, Japan, US, Canada ... as it's better value for money, similar levels of stuffing around, and bang for buck is incomparably better. The Kiwis are already onto it, this season they were packaging up some brilliant deals to lure people across. It's working too from what I hear.

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#1013709 - 22/09/2011 13:24 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: ant]
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Thredbo is trying desperately to make money... stay at Thredbo and ski for free... even advertising season passes for 2012 now.

Skiing overseas is definitely the way to go, i might go down for the weekend if there's good snow, but then again those weekends are going to be sooo busy anyway.
I have been going to NZ for a while but I've had a few bad runs there now as well. I think Japan is the place where its at tho, you can pick up cheap flights quite often. I went to Hakuba in Nagano Prefecture about 9 months ago and its meant to (in japan terms) be a pretty busy place with bad quality snow and moguls up pretty quick. but ive never seen anything like it, it just snows all day and night with no wind at all. at the end of the day when its all chopped up, its still knee deep fluffy powder. lift tickets were cheap, no lines, accommodation was expensive but i guess it was as expensive as Thredbo accommodation.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150143834607049&l=d63cf4c052
this is meant to be a normal in Japan. buried cars! ^^

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#1013745 - 22/09/2011 15:08 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: ant]
Tom1234 Offline
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The Ski resorts need to take a look at whistlers MTB park and copy that. A mountain bike park could operate for about 6 months. I think they do have a couple trails at Thredbo, but hardly enough to bother travelling all that way.

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#1013785 - 22/09/2011 18:23 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Tom1234]
avalon Offline
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Gawd,those snow cam images of Thredbo are wretched. You know what they say about the camera not lying. How could you possibly justify charging anyone anything for that sort of muck?
If there wasnt snow making at Oz resorts they would have all closed down 15 to 20 years ago i imagine. It is sad.

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#1013793 - 22/09/2011 19:05 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: ant]
Piaggio Offline
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Originally Posted By: ant

Many "snow people" now ski overseas... NZ, Japan, US, Canada ... as it's better value for money, similar levels of stuffing around, and bang for buck is incomparably better. The Kiwis are already onto it, this season they were packaging up some brilliant deals to lure people across. It's working too from what I hear.


I started working in the Australian Ski industry in 1976, and it was exactly the same situation back then. Best skiing has always been overseas. A large portion of my customers (I owned my own ski shop for many years) skied in Canada and USA, with some in Europe and Japan. One of the guys who used to work for me skied our summers in Japan - in the 1970s.

But back on topic, I wonder if there is one last dump due for this year? There usually is one in September or October.

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#1013828 - 22/09/2011 22:07 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Piaggio]
ant Offline
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Registered: 05/10/2002
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Loc: Overlooking ACT at 848m
The skiing overseas is better, but if the australian ski industry wasn't greedy and not very efficient, they could do well. Hell, they have been doing well for many, many years. They cry poor, but during my last season working at a NSW resort, they were happily celebrating when they broke through the profit target during the July school holidays. The small businesses are the ones that do it tough in seasons like this, and the crazy lift ticket prices are what keep people away.

I can ski Deer Valley and Snowbird for less than half the Australian day ticket price. The 2 hour drive, silly nonsense with park entry, the crap expensive food, and the really short runs, antiquated lift system and non-existant service also have me saying huh, a 12 hour flight and I'm skiing in the US.

Oh, and WRT snowmaking, unless something's changed drastically, they only make snow early in the season.

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#1013871 - 23/09/2011 08:17 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: ant]
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Hi all, since my last post, the Supertrail closed yesterday, so you can no longer ski from top to bottom. The season is effectively over here. However, there are still some nice runs on the upper slopes. Anyway, the trip all up has been great. As a teacher on a freebie, I can't complain.
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#1013875 - 23/09/2011 08:42 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Inclement Weather]
Donza Offline
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Registered: 04/06/2009
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Loc: wollongong
gee...aren't you a bunch of pessimists...I stole these off another forum.
first one is happy valley at perisher looking towards olympic

this is looking towards mount P


Still a shed load of snow if you have the right aspect and altitude.
This season was strange in that we got alot of snow from the north/northwest direction. Hence it loaded slopes in the lee to good depths.

FYI i roade this date last year at perisher and the cover was very similar, if not less.

On other news.. next week is looking pinch me good on EC and GFS. The models are nowhere set in stone, however i'm starting to see some decent signs in the LWT around wednesday. I see a fair bit of clear snowbeforehand mind you. Thats the norm in September.

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#1013878 - 23/09/2011 08:53 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Donza]
DaveM Offline
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Nice photos Donza - cheers.

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#1013884 - 23/09/2011 09:09 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: DaveM]
Donza Offline
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Originally Posted By: DaveM
Nice photos Donza - cheers.

Cheers
They aren't mine though. They were taken yesterday as well

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#1013889 - 23/09/2011 10:00 Re: Aus 2011 Snow Season [Re: Donza]
ant Offline
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Loc: Overlooking ACT at 848m
Yeah, when the snow starts to go, Mt P is the best bet. I think on the radio this morning they were saying that Blue Cow, Guthega and Smiggins have been shut down.
In past years, when I was desperate (and had a season pass), during the last days you'd drive right around to Mt P and park at Eyre and just spend the day doing the yo yo. A lot of people struggle when it gets very soft and slushy in the afternoon though, especially if you're on T bars the whole time, so by 3pm most people have bailed. If they set up a beer stand there, they'd make a killing.

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