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#1040556 - 10/12/2011 11:38 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Squid]
Mat Offline
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Thanks for that update ones again that was very hopefully.

Let hope so need some bit of action that is all I want.
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#1040704 - 10/12/2011 15:08 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Mat]
Maisie Offline
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Wont be long Mathew, January could bring some action.
Maybe more than we want, we just have to be patient and be prepared with our kits ready and a general cleanup in the yard.

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#1040712 - 10/12/2011 15:14 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Maisie]
Mat Offline
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Thanks for that update that is all I need to know. smile
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#1041313 - 11/12/2011 05:17 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Mat]
Cloudz Offline
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Have we ever had a summer with NO cyclones in Australian territory?

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#1041396 - 11/12/2011 11:00 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Cloudz]
SBT Offline
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1914/15 season no cyclones. I am doing some more research but it would appear that it does occur. But also we have years when cyclones form of the coast and never make landfall too.


Edited by Sir BoabTree (11/12/2011 11:04)
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#1041399 - 11/12/2011 11:06 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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according to this there was 3 in 1914/15 one hit fraser island. http://australiasevereweather.com/tropic...al_cyclones.htm

but pretty much a no landfall season.
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#1041411 - 11/12/2011 11:18 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Fujiwhara_Effect]
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could u count this season as a no cyclone development season, says they were only depressions. http://australiasevereweather.com/tropic...al_cyclones.htm
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#1041442 - 11/12/2011 11:58 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Fujiwhara_Effect]
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Read an article this morning in the sunday mail (Steve Turton from James cook uni), qld due for a super cyclone - cat 5 or cat 6! This guys got a short memory, Yasi was bordering on cat 6 as she was coming in! Hamish was a high cat 5.

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#1041451 - 11/12/2011 12:09 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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BoM Records from 1906 to 2006/07 season total of 860 cyclones
Cyclone Records 1906 to 2007 with track maps in Australian AOR
most active years:
1962/63 season = 19
1973/74 seaon = 19
1983/84 season = 19
1970/71 season = 18
1971/72 seaon = 17

Least
1914/15 season = 0
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#1041472 - 11/12/2011 12:33 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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Read an article this morning in the sunday mail (Steve Turton from James cook uni), qld due for a super cyclone - cat 5 or cat 6! This guys got a short memory, Yasi was bordering on cat 6 as she was coming in! Hamish was a high cat 5.
JCU is he - from what department, gardener, household services, security, Refectory????

Nice media hype. Cat6 - Really? Cat 5 covers winds speed equal to or above 250kph. Can anyone provide a link to the BoM announcement stating that they will now use this as Offical measurements for Australian cyclones?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_Hurricane_Scale
Quote:
Category 6

After the series of powerful storm systems of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, a few newspaper columnists and scientists brought up the suggestion of introducing Category 6, and they have suggested pegging Category 6 to storms with winds greater than 174 or 180 mph (78 or 80 m/s); 150–155 knots (280–287 km/h).[7][15] Only a few storms of this category have been recorded, most were West Pacific and titled as super typhoons, most notably Typhoon Tip in 1979 with sustained winds of 190 mph (310 km/h).[16]

According to Robert Simpson, there are no reasons for a Category 6 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale because it is designed to measure the potential damage of a hurricane to manmade structures. If the wind speed of the hurricane is above 155 mph (249 km/h), then the damage to a building will be "serious no matter how well it's engineered".[3]


And we aren't overdue for bloody anything.

I get heartily sick and tired of insurance/actuary terms being used by the useless media to provide OMG content to newspaper 'stories'. It is a term used by actuarries to detremine risk NOT an effort to describe when an event is due to happen.

i.e. 1 in 100 year floods that hit Brisbane in 1974 and in 20011. Now i don't know about anyone elses maths ability but that isn't 1 in 100 years now is it?

So to all you newspaper reporters, TV 'reporters' and other media tarts who read this nforum. Do some dresearch and maybe just maybe you could possibly provide some actual facts in a news story instead of waffle, hype and flat out bullshit.

Yeah,I know facts don't sell newspapers.
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#1041487 - 11/12/2011 12:46 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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Yep no such thing as a cat 6. And Yasi wasn't really a high five. A good five maybe but not in the upper end. Remember it only really gppt down around 929hp

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#1041496 - 11/12/2011 12:56 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Brett Guy]
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I think I remember reading that Yasi was actually only Cat 4 on the Saffir Simpson scale.

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#1041497 - 11/12/2011 12:56 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Brett Guy]
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Honestly what are we "overdue" for? We had a once in a lifetime La Nina, once in 30 year flooding across most of the state and a huge Category 5. We just need a cyclone down in SE Qld and that's it.

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#1041513 - 11/12/2011 13:07 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Nature's Fury]
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We may see cyclones stronger than cat 5's, any things possible, but we are not due, we have experienced super cyclones over the last couple of years!

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#1041521 - 11/12/2011 13:14 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Tempest]
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Taken from Wikipedia (for what it is worth).
Officially, the Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale is used only to describe hurricanes forming in the Atlantic Ocean and northern Pacific Ocean east of the International Date Line. Other areas use different scales to label these storms, which are called "cyclones" or "typhoons", depending on the area.

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#1041526 - 11/12/2011 13:17 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Night Rain]
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And this.....also from Wikipedia:
Some scientists, including Kerry Emanuel and Lakshmi Kantha, have criticized the scale as being too simplistic, indicating that the scale does not take into account the physical size of a storm, nor the amount of precipitation it produces.[7] Additionally, they and others point out that the Saffir-Simpson scale, unlike the Richter scale used to measure earthquakes, is not open-ended, and is quantized into a small number of categories. Proposed replacement classifications include the Hurricane Intensity Index, which is based on the dynamic pressure caused by a storm's winds, and the Hurricane Hazard Index, which bases itself on surface wind speeds, the radius of maximum winds of the storm, and its translational velocity.[12][13] Both of these scales are continuous, akin to the Richter scale;[14] however, neither of these scales have been used by officials.

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#1041555 - 11/12/2011 13:38 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Night Rain]
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I've found that most of the time they issue cyclone warnings, they issue flood warnings for some areas at the same time. I believe that as long as everyone is aware of how powerful the cyclone actually is, and can make a decision as to whether they'll stay in their homes, or go to a shelter, the scale is serving it's purpose.

Unless we have an outbreak of cat5+ cyclones, I don't think they'd have any motivation to add a cat6 rating. Cat5 means you're pretty much stuffed if you go through the middle of it, what would cat6 mean? grin

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#1041564 - 11/12/2011 13:49 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Things]
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I would hate to think, Things!! Certainly, we don't have buildings up here on the Tablelands that could even withstand Cat 4. However, I know that our Council is having some of the buildings rated by engineers in the liklihood that we get an influx of people from the coastal areas, as what happened during Yasi. Each town up here has been asked to prepare a disaster management plan and we've been instructed to put in scenarios of having "immigrants" to care for - just in case!

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#1041645 - 11/12/2011 14:31 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Night Rain]
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Originally Posted By: Night Rain
And this.....also from Wikipedia:
Some scientists, including Kerry Emanuel and Lakshmi Kantha, have criticized the scale as being too simplistic, indicating that the scale does not take into account the physical size of a storm, nor the amount of precipitation it produces.[7] Additionally, they and others point out that the Saffir-Simpson scale, unlike the Richter scale used to measure earthquakes, is not open-ended, and is quantized into a small number of categories. Proposed replacement classifications include the Hurricane Intensity Index, which is based on the dynamic pressure caused by a storm's winds, and the Hurricane Hazard Index, which bases itself on surface wind speeds, the radius of maximum winds of the storm, and its translational velocity.[12][13] Both of these scales are continuous, akin to the Richter scale;[14] however, neither of these scales have been used by officials.
Well i do agree with a lot Kerry Emanuel says he is a respected Meteorologist. Also I have believed always that the current scales for tropical systems is incomplete and to simple i had always believed it should be calculated in Size, Wind speed, Speed of the System, Central Pressure and Precipitation.

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#1041664 - 11/12/2011 14:42 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SubtropicalCyclo]
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this thread is for discussing developing systems of interest, the cyclone lounge was set up for this type of discussion. lets take it into that thread.
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