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#1057944 - 18/01/2012 16:07 Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day.
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Blacked out in raising awareness for the 2 legislations trying to be passed through the house (SOPA) and the one trying to be passed in the Senate (PROTECT IP) in America. I highly advise you if you use the internet a lot to read Wikipedias statements about it.

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#1058011 - 18/01/2012 17:31 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: TheAnt]
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Hmm, lots of implications with this, none of them good.

What's worrying is the majority of people won't take any notice about this issue unless it is fed to them via the liarbox in the corner of their lounge room. And assuming the media do go with the story, who knows what twisted watered down version they will tell.

Given this is a US law (regardless that it will affect every internet user on the planet), it is the US voters who are going to have to make the most noise in protest. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I imagine not enough people are going to give a crap until it is too late to do anything about it. Much the same as the law Obama signed off on new year's eve.

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#1058100 - 18/01/2012 19:30 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Jax]
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The SOPA Law will not be enforceable in any country except maybe China and North Korea let alone in the USA.

It is all just Smoke and mirrors by the major film and tv organisations lawyers trying to make a quick buck. They tried it here with Optus and got the bums rush by the Supreme Court and High Court.

They had a chance to stop piracy way back in the 1960's when blank reel to reel tapes first became common. It was mooted then that to stop illegal copying all you needed to do was make the blank media so expensive it was cheaper to buy the original.

They didn't and 'piracy' was born. Hell I used to tape songs off the radio on my first cassette player, just like 100's of thousands of teenagers all over the world. I copied my albums onto cassette and swaped them with my friends, I even mailed a couple from PNG to my cousins in WA at one stage because we got the latest hits in PNG months before they hit the stores in Australia and for a 1/4 of the prices too.

The Internet is the new media distribution medium and instead of complaining about piracy how about them making owning a downloaded version of a movie/song/tv series whatever so cheap that people will forgo piracy for a better quality product.

They are trying to sue the ISP's because they allow users to pirate whatever they want to. Thats a bit like sueing the fuel companies for providing the fuel that a vehicle uses when a drunk drives a vehicle.

Every time you see a movie company complaining about them losing profits you just have to look at teh amounts of money they are taking at teh box office and while I do feel for teh artists who are losing money i don't feel sorry for the companies involved.
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#1058153 - 18/01/2012 21:06 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: SBT]
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I think you'd think you're wrong BoabTree, the law is so vaguely written it can be abused in any country, this is very serious and it could very well happen very soon.

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#1058232 - 19/01/2012 00:32 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: TheAnt]
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The way I read it(and I am far from knowledable as many know!) is that any site hosting unathorised copyrighted material and subsequently any ISP that provides that content can be sued for litigation imediately without the copyright owner having to issue a CnD or register a complaint.

My opinion on that is well...BS! That is one of the most stupid laws I have ever seen and I think if it passes things are really going to suck!
Just think for a minute, I upload a copyrighted image to WZ, the owner spits the dummy and next thing Google could sue for providing WZ as a search result! <- that's how I read it and that's what it could end up meaning, not saying the owner would neccisarily win but bs claims like this would be through the roof!

Thankfully there appeears to be hope, thanks to Google, Wiki and many others that have been in opposition to the laws and raised awareness it looks as though it may be such an unpopular choice for congress(and Obama who has veto powers) that it will go down in flaming heap where it belongs! Also Anonymus seem to have made good on their threat to Sony even though Sony partially pulled their head in and stopped supporting the bills, notably so did Nintendo! I ask too, what has the world come to when you have to rely on a bunch of computer nerd Hacktivits to take on everything from freedom stealing laws to Columbian drug cartels?

Edit: CnD= Cease and Desist

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#1058311 - 19/01/2012 11:02 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Lightning....Lee]
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Perhaps they could keep Wikipedia down permanently, it's kind of refreshing actually.
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#1058435 - 19/01/2012 16:59 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Sandfly]
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Originally Posted By: Sandfly
Perhaps they could keep Wikipedia down permanently, it's kind of refreshing actually.


LOL

Here's a good summary of the proposed acts:

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According to these acts, if a US site (or a foreign site that has its domain name registered in the US) is found to be "committing or facilitating the commission" of copyright infringment, then, on the request of a rights holder, it is subject to seizure in a way that many scholars believe violates due process, depriving people of a fair hearing and suppressing free speech.

It gets worse. If the targeted site is not based in the US and thus cannot be seized, then the following actions must occur:

1) US sites and search engines must remove all links to the foreign site
2) US advertising services must no longer serve ads linking to the site, or display ads on the foreign site
3) US payment networks must cease all transactions between the foreign site and US customers
4) US service providers to block access to the foreign site via DNS blacklisting

In other words, a rights holder would be able to accuse a website anywhere in the world of facilitating piracy simply because a user posted a comment linking to a file sharing site, and the site would completely vanish from the internet. Anyone using any US-based search engine (which includes pretty much everyone in the UK) would not be able to find it, and anyone in the US would discover that typing in its URL would lead to nowhere.


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#1058483 - 19/01/2012 18:23 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Arnost]
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It won't ever be enacted. LOL the Great American Firewall and who was it that yelled the loudest when China did this? The word is hypocrite in case your wondering.

The president won't sign it into law because if he did he would doom his reelection prospects to somewhere belows Hitler's, congress won't fully back it, the ISP's in the US won't have a bar of it and the US Supreme Court already sees it as a potential attack on the freedom of speach and self expression so they are on a hiding for nothing from that quarter as well.

Besides the porn and gambling industries would go ballistic overnight if this was enacted and there goes 95% of all Internet funding and development. (Every major advance of the Internet was driven by one or the other two industries - online video/gaming/gambling/online payments/live chatting/sound etc etc etc).

A law writen in another country has no standing in this country unless the Australian government adopts it and passes it into legislation. Now I know the present government is as silly as a 7 legged bandicoot with 3 heads but do you for one moment think they would back this?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/18/we-now-return-you-to-our-regularly-scheduled-programming/ for more information.


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#1058576 - 19/01/2012 22:41 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: SBT]
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I so hope you are right SBT smile

I wonder sometimes who the bloody hell America think they are in the big scheme of things, running around like they dam well run the world RRRrrrrr

Who are they to try and enforce this crap, whose the idiot that's proposing it? It's a distraction to keep us busy from one of many a hidden agenda, what are they really up to!

Sorry small excitable outburst... but I seriously wonder at times what the world is coming too - and it's late - need sleep crazy tired
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#1058606 - 20/01/2012 00:02 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: SunnyDays]
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I think you're spot on with the distraction comment SunnyDays. And I'm not convinced it's about stopping video and music piracy, that is just the spin. Take Section 105 of SOPA, entitled "Immunity for Taking Voluntary Action Against Sites that Endanger Public Health" for example.

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It provisions that service providers, network providers, advertising services, search engines, domain name registry services, and other parties that handle internet content will be immune from prosecution should they decide to arbitrarily pull sites that "endanger the public health".
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034695_SOPA_free_speech_health_freedom.html#ixzz1jtWaVK9u.


And why are the drug and chemical companies backing SOPA? GlaxoSmithKline, Eli Lilly and Company, American Board of Internal Medicine, CropLife America, James Drug Inc., Pfizer Inc. just to name a few.. http://www.scribd.com/doc/76259944/SOPA-Supporters

Dodgey as!

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#1059259 - 21/01/2012 15:26 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Jax]
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Ok, now for ANYONE who thinks that you will have impunity to being charged under cruddy American law just because you reside in Australia... READ THIS!

http://www.news.com.au/technology/megaupload-accused-front-court-in-nz/story-e6frfro0-1226249612970

It didn't help the Kiwi's(or any of the others) did it?

Want to protect yourself... GO ANONYMUS! It's pretty serious to shut down the FBI and I certainly don't condone or support such actions unless in an absolutely dire situation! But I am ROFPML!!! grin

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/techn...h-1226249114650

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#1059328 - 21/01/2012 17:32 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Lightning....Lee]
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Here's a guy who has done his homework. Mike Mozart made this Youtube video to show how, for the last decade, some of the largest media companies actually promoted piracy by distributing the software needed to download pirated media in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7DkrsCCQ_A&feature=related

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#1059351 - 21/01/2012 18:29 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Jax]
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That guy is a complete tool who needs to really lay off the sensationalism, he isn't helping anyone.

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#1059366 - 21/01/2012 18:52 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: TheAnt]
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That guy is overly enthusiastic and utterly unique with a style that will not appeal to everyone, but what about what he's actually got to say?

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#1059372 - 21/01/2012 19:09 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Jax]
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Scaring people and over exaggerarting isn't helping anyone.

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#1059407 - 21/01/2012 19:57 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: TheAnt]
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Scaring people? How Ant, I'm not getting the scary bit? I see him informing people of the hypocrisy of the media companies first providing the means for people to pirate media, and secondly backing (instigating?) the law that enables those same customers to be sued for using the technology those companies provided in the first place. If anything it gives me hope these fool laws won't eventuate.

And what of the Section 105 clause in SOPA I mentioned earlier, and the big pharma and chemical support, what is with that do you think?

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#1059426 - 21/01/2012 20:44 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Jax]
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With you on this one Jax - it is the big media and those bills that scare me!

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#1060627 - 23/01/2012 15:48 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: KevD]
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Here's an interesting article outlining how the figures used to help push these bills into existence were grossly inflated in the first place: http://www.firstpost.com/tech/how-hollywood-is-inflating-piracy-figures-to-push-sopa-188035.html

The massive online protest seems to have been successful and the bills have been put to rest for the moment - but not indefinitely. In the meantime, lobbyists for both sides have learned valuable lessons for next time.

Funny old world we live in, very little is what it seems.

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#1060655 - 23/01/2012 16:15 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: Jax]
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Im wondering should I open a new thread for ACTA or just use this one?

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#1060719 - 23/01/2012 16:59 Re: Wikipedia total black-out for 1 day. [Re: TheAnt]
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I think ACTA is valid for discussion in this thread Ant. Maybe ask the mods to change the thread title to "SOPA, PIPA and ACTA".

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