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#1070018 - 02/02/2012 13:05 Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.)
adon Offline
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Hi all just wanting to see if many other people on here have these types of breeds of sheep on their farms and are you keen on discussing them and their management.

I purchased a mob of Dorper/Damara cross ewes in December. I am intending on breeding them into full blood dorpers eventually but first I will be concrentrating on fertility and shedding ability. As well as culling out any trouble makers.

So far I have found myself fascinated in the difference in their behavior compaired to the "standard" merino/first cross ewes that most people in my patch have. They graze in a very tight mob and tend to walk around like this while grazing.

They also eat bloody everything! Even Stuff like fairy grass and box rollypolly(like tumble weed)

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#1070067 - 02/02/2012 15:23 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: adon]
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LOL I misread your title and though you had somehow strapped a doppler radar to a sheep Adon, but then I dyslexic.

Hmm culling troubkle makers - better lay in a stock of mint sauce then. wink

They sound like an interesting breed. I must admit to never having heard of them before. Also not a farmer but have worked with sheep a long time ago after i left school for a couple of months.
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#1070484 - 03/02/2012 11:54 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: SBT]
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Haha a doppler on a sheep! wow they would slow it down!

Yeah these sheep are african breeds and have not been in our country for that long really. Culling is more about selling sheep not killing but I suggest a lamb or two will be staying for the freezer. Beats buying from sopermarkets.

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#1070519 - 03/02/2012 13:07 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: adon]
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http://www.bybloswhitedorper.com/why-white-dorper.cfm?p=2 some info for those who may be inetrested.
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#1071108 - 04/02/2012 08:36 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: SBT]
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My neighbor tried a few up here and they are very hardy animals thats for sure , and the ram fought off a few dingo attacks , unfortunately the dingos won in the end as we could not keep up with them coming out of the ranges ...

Not sure of your fencing Adon but the ewes get their little horns stuck in ring lock all the time and don't seem to learn , lol ,, but then what sheep dose ? haha

They eat very well .. and that tail is just great ,, cook with skin on , on hot coals , yumm , just like normal lamb tails and lamb marking time ...

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#1071299 - 04/02/2012 14:57 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: FNQ Bunyip]
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I have a prure bred Ram and some cross damara ewes I agree with you that they eat anything and they are very different to merinos

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#1071931 - 05/02/2012 21:32 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: Coolibah]
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Hi Adon ! I have White Dorper and they are mad enough re "jumping" in the yards and breaking legs as they will take on with a jump any fence in front of them if they run at it. Besides that yes they are easy care but I do believe they eat a lot more say than say First X ewes. At this point in time one cannot breed a nice even line of lambs from them which I do not like. If it was not for the easy care I don't know that I would bother with them now.
From what I hear Damarra are even "madder" to handle and almost impossible to work with in yards. I have seen a mob of 1300 go around a paddock like a rugby scrum all touching each other for security....Over this way the Agents hate them !
Good Luck !

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#1072166 - 06/02/2012 16:38 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: Goody]
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Hey Goody thanks for that. Mine are a lazy mob as I first saw them in the yards when I was looking to buy. They were easier on the yards than some merino ewes we had here this year (they wrecked my yards). I had been warned about their "crazy" attitude but I did get this mob from an irrigation farm so maybe that could be a station sheep behavior. They do stick very close as you said but I can get to within 5m of them on the paddock without them taking off. Infact I was just going around them and was trying to move them to a different part of the paddock but gave up as I could not get them to move very far or fast!

But have had them go under 2 gates(but they were crap wire gates and the paddocks I had them in were getting low on feed and a nice stubble beckoned on the other side.

When you say much more feed, do you mean they eat a greater variety of a greater amount of feed? I am trying to figure out how many I can run on the place but I reckon it will take a year or two for that question to be answered.

As for the even line of lambs, I am not really sure of what you mean. Do you mean some do well and others not? How many do you run and what sort of breeding cycle to you run? I got about 50 of the ewe lambs from this mob and apart from a couple of ones that look like they have a fair amount of Damara in them, they seem to be all pretty even in condition.

Just one other thing Goody? How do you sell your lambs? Hooks or sale yards?

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#1072359 - 06/02/2012 23:21 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: adon]
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http://www.news.com.au/weird-true-freaky...i-1226260544650 I hope they are smarter than these ones in Russia. grin
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#1074321 - 10/02/2012 18:14 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: SBT]
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Hey Goody, Just wondering if you could share a little of your knowledge.....My ewes are due to drop in about April(judging on what the previous owner told me)But I am seeing some are pretty heavy in lamb. So do Dorper ewes show up pregnant earlier than merino? They are quite heavy and bellies are hanging quite low. But cannot see any swelling yet. But with a merino/xbred I would say they were maybe a week or so away. Maybe a ram got in early????

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#1078161 - 19/02/2012 22:04 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: adon]
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Hi Adon !
Sorry for so long to answer...I do not frequent the Forum very much these days.
I will try to answer you questions in order.
I have the opinion that they eat more because they never seem to stop and as you say, browse and have a go at everything and any thing in the paddock. Which is great this year for that flamin Fleabaine northern weed that has flourished down here with the last 2 good seasons. The Dorpers will eat off the flowering tops which in a normal year would be great but this year it just keeps growing back and becoming woodier with each rain....Damn stuff don't know how we can beat it ....spray at night is more successful so I hear.
I only have 300 ewes Adon and they are all sizes so that is the problem with getting and even line. With First X Ewes of course you do and have the lambs all looking like peas in a pod
I sell at the Wagga Saleyards because it is close ....Other further out have got into a group and they sell over on farm scales I guess for the hook which they are happy about....My prices are on par with the other types of lambs sold at Wagga
My ewes yes have a big belly out both sided and down so they do show earlier than merinos as most of them have twins...Dorper maidens will only have a single. Then if a year turns bad with later years instead of having twins they will only have one....be prepared to have to pull a lamb and watch their feet as being so heavy some will get foot absycse and it is a must to inject penicillin for it to control

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#1078400 - 20/02/2012 11:44 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: Goody]
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Goody, the Birchip Cropping Group plus NSW researchers have had very good success on Fleabane up to 3 months after emergence.
If you can lay hands on BCG's latest manual "BCG 2011 season research results", you will get the info there.

The control using Round Up CT @ 1.5 L / Ha + Surpass 475 @ 1 L / Ha gave 60 % control up to 2 months and 50 % control at 3 months growth

Round Up CT 1.5 L / Ha + Surpass 475 1 L / Ha followed by a double knock Sprayseed 2 L / Ha
[ Li700 @ 300 mls/ ha was added ]
This mix plus the double knock Sprayseed gave a 100% control up to the 2 month stage and 90% at the 3 month stage of growth.

Ally reputedly gives good residual control.

[ Note; This mix above has not been registered for Fleabane and must NOT be used specifically for Fleabane until the necessary permits [ Vic ] for use are issued ]

There! Fullfilled my legal duty!!!

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#1078709 - 20/02/2012 22:33 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: ROM]
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Goody! How many rams are you running with your ewes? Been trying to find out how many to run with 250 ewes.

As to pulling them, well been there done that! Interesting that you get similar prices for them in the yards, I was warmed off it by a few people here but that may be that our stock agaents are biased against them out here. I don't know how much of a discount but don't want to chance it.

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#1079571 - 22/02/2012 11:59 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: adon]
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G'day there Adon,

Thank's for the info on the Fleabane will follow that one up !

I only have 5 rams out with my 300 ewes as they are the only clean skin ones I have. I should have 12 out there in theory

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#1079615 - 22/02/2012 15:01 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: Goody]
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Fleabane is horrific in our area this year, too. I don' tknow what to do with it. Fleabane and Great Mullein (Verbascum). MCPA/Metsulferon knocks the verbascum (metsulferon on its own isn't quite as effective, oddly) but fleabane in such numbers is new to me.

I don't want to use non-specific herbicides like roundup, I need my grass. Sprayseed ditto (horrible stuff). Does anything else hit it? (Ally is Metsulferon but I take it it doesn't kill it at advanced flowering stage?)

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#1093496 - 20/03/2012 14:54 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: ant]
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Hello ant ! I have sown down 45 ha to lucerne , clovers , cocksfoot , and ryes so I need something specific for this damn Fleabane like you ....As it is a broadacre crop planting area here there should be lots of heads to work someting out. I will let you know what the agronomy gurus say.
With this rain it will just keep on growing, mow it do whatever you can to stop it from flowering and setting seed which are thousands of little floaty things that go on the wind.
In some fields over here where it has been neglected it is as thick as it can stick and I mean thick ....Looks like stand of lucerne.

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#1093554 - 20/03/2012 16:06 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: Goody]
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That's how it is in my district, everyone's got it and it's come out of nowhere, we don't usually see it. It's flowering now so we're stuffed.

The areas where I was broadspraying St John's there's none, so evidently it doesn't like Grazon. And where I've been hitting the Verbascum, it's folding over and going yellow, but it's hard stuff to spray because it's so narrow. My latest mix is Metsulferon, MCPA and Kamba (for the wireweed) and that seems to be killing it, but there's acres I didn't get to and it's like bamboo. The wet season did it, apparently.

You just can't win. You get the upper hand on some weeds, and then a new one arrives.

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#1093618 - 20/03/2012 18:02 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: ant]
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Fleabane is just starting to come into the Mallee and northern Wimmera in quantity here in Vic.
BCG have done work on it in conjunction with the GRDC.
From the BCG 2011 trial results manual. The manual has all the trial results and what worked and what didn't work in it but i will just quote what worked on Fleabane.
It is particularly bad pest weed in minimum till as when buried even very shallow, germination is generally prevented .

Roundup Powermax @ 2 ltrs / Ha plus Surpass @ 1.6 Ltrs / Ha = 80% control

As above plus Ally @ 5 grms / Ha = 85% control


Double knock with the following gave between 90% and 100% control

Roundup CT @ 1.5 ltrs / Ha plus Surpass 475 @ 1 ltr / Ha in 75 ltrs / Ha water

Followed 7 days after initial knockdown by

Sprayseed @ 2 ltrs / Ha in 105 ltrs water.

Disclaimer; Spayseed in Victoria is not [ yet ] registered for this use.

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#1093926 - 20/03/2012 22:34 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: ROM]
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Getting Fleabane even in my area thanks to the wet summers and yer was told to do a double knock with the roundup followed up by sprayseed seems to get the best results or atleast so im told.
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#1094168 - 21/03/2012 10:44 Re: Meat sheep breed info(dorper/damara etc.) [Re: roves]
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I really hate using Roundup and Sprayseed as my place is just open land, and it gets everything, including the grass. What little grass there is. Interesting they said Ally (metsulferon) gives 85% control, that's my observation too. Also, it seems something likes to eat it when it's young and soft, but of course it reacts by sending up multiple branches.

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