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#1099485 - 14/04/2012 18:58 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Wild N Windy]
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we had one of them down this way WILD N WINDY, When jasmine formed off the coast.

northern beaches, redlynch and gorndonvale all receiving around 60-100km/hr winds for a few hours. bits of a freak event fromt the ranges grin lots of debris around " leave, branches and a few trees and such"
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#1099487 - 14/04/2012 19:16 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Fujiwhara_Effect]
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Any mention of the word "Mini" and an Australian weather event will result in the offenders computer instantly spewing its guts all over your floor. Please don't do it, it only encourages the fwits that pass for reporters picking up the term and using it to baffle the general public with bullshit.
/Rant.

No winds or I should say very little here, no rain either so enjoy your trough while it lasts.
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#1099499 - 14/04/2012 20:30 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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Err.. SBT... are all reporters fwits? While I resemble the remark in other ways... I 'll take that as a comment not meant to apply to all journos re weather.
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#1099501 - 14/04/2012 20:43 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: boomer]
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Hmmm based on the EC ensemble and deterministic there is a big chance of a low south of PNG and across the Cape on Monday. Of further interest is that the deterministic seems to predict said low crossing the Gulf then going above Darwin and onwards into the Indian Ocean... certainly not unheard of and certainly worth keeping an eye on.
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#1099525 - 14/04/2012 22:49 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: boomer]
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Boomer not you mate, just the ones who think lifting direct quotes from WZ members (such as myself, RWM, Nitso, Trav and a host of others) and calling it In Depth Research (Townsville Bulletin, Channel 7, Nine and heaven forbid ABC) etc. My rant about the term Mini Tornado when it was reported by assorted media here and interstate spured at least one fwit to do an interview with a BoM offical who dealt with the 'reporter' by informing him in no uncertain terms that any use of the word mini was not kosher and it should never be used to describe a weather event. So yourself excluded, because your old school, most present jounalist aren't in anyway shape or form jounalists, researchers or anything else that a news reporter is supposed to be.

Reporters no longer report, they do opinion pieces to camera and we both know the last time the Bulletin told the truth in a news story was sometime just short of Whitlam being elected.

Meanwhile back to the weather:
Still nothing occuring in Townsville. Nil rain, nil wind, nil weather action. But the Qld Radar is showing plenty of action way north of us and a fair way off the coast http://www.weatherzone.com.au/radar/qld

Sigh looks like Townsville couldn't win a raffle prize if we held 99/100 tickets. Oh well back to hibernation mode. Might have to start getting rid of the cyclone food and reversing the cyclone prep stuff and get a new battery for my gen set (6.5kva we will not be without power for 10 days again like after Yasi hit).
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#1099532 - 14/04/2012 23:07 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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LOL SBT, in many ways you are right re journo standards. Sadly, the younger print crew have been bought up with spin doctors and incredibly limited funding for news... they do not have the time to check and are now relying on social media or forums such as this for comment (to be fair, it is fair game as it is in the blogosphere). In many ways it is not their fault. However, I do try to mentor and hope it gets through. Mick, no doubt, has seen the same as I re TV.
Re the weather... it seems to be creeping north... but you may end up being surprised.


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#1099577 - 15/04/2012 11:08 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: boomer]
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Several bullets above 50kph on the Cairns hill slopes this AM.

Coastal Waters Wind Warning
For Cape Grenville to Cardwell.
Issued at 10:55 am EST on Sunday 15 April 2012

Synoptic Situation
A high [1030 hPa] over the Tasman Sea extends a firm ridge along the east coast of Queensland. A trough over the northwestern parts of the Coral Sea is moving west towards the coast.

Strong Wind Warning
Cape Grenville to Cardwell
SE winds 25 to 30 knots. Squalls to 40 knots with showers and thunderstorms. Seas to 3 metres in open waters and outside the reef with a SE swell 2.5 to 3.5 metres.

The next warning will be issued by 5 pm AEST.

Please be aware
Wind gusts can be a further 40 percent stronger than the averages given here, and maximum waves may be up to twice the height.
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#1099652 - 15/04/2012 22:20 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: boomer]
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Originally Posted By: boomer
Hmmm based on the EC ensemble and deterministic there is a big chance of a low south of PNG and across the Cape on Monday. Of further interest is that the deterministic seems to predict said low crossing the Gulf then going above Darwin and onwards into the Indian Ocean... certainly not unheard of and certainly worth keeping an eye on.


The BoM is starting to like that theory....looks like that low is going to make the march across to the Kimberley.... maybe a last hurrah for Popeye and the WA crew in Broome.
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#1099663 - 16/04/2012 01:02 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: boomer]
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convection is becoming futher enhanced, qld owed us a low pressure system smile too late in the season for us to return another one back so yas will have to wait till next season

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#1099685 - 16/04/2012 09:35 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Breezer]
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Yeah i think your right Boomer. The LOW currently wombling around the Cape will be in NT shortly but after that there isn't a blessed thing in the Coral Sea that I can find in any of the models. I think even Matthew would be hard pressed to come up with anything.
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#1099693 - 16/04/2012 10:03 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: SBT]
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I dont want it Boomer. Enjoying the dry season too much although last night it sat around 27-28 most of the night. Qld has scared it off, WA doesn't want it. Looks like its all NT's.

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#1099695 - 16/04/2012 10:15 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Popeye]
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Just been informed that the Navy site has an invest on it. Could be game on for a marginal system. Probably should continue in the NT thread from here.

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#1100131 - 18/04/2012 20:29 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Popeye]
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Not being a smart arse in here but I told you all that it is really the cyclone season is over few weeks ago. My intentions wasn't opinionated, I observed that the situation wasn't suitable for cyclonic conditions. I know it is really difficult for listening to an university student about this case. But I have not made this story up.


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#1100141 - 18/04/2012 21:16 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Noname]
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The last few weeks have been the best conditions for a coral sea cyclone since yasi actually, it's just unlucky ( what ever way you wanna look at it ) that a low couldn't form, cus if it did it would have had the best conditions to move west and intensify.

On what reasons did u call the season over Matthew?
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#1100146 - 18/04/2012 21:23 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Trav Dog]
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Really we were only missing 2 things to help create a low/cyclone.
1. Moderate to fresh se trade winds
2. Monsoon trough

Add these two together and converging along a monsoonal trough and it creates a much better chance of creating vorticity which would then produce a low.

Cyclones can obviously form without a monsoon trough. Some recent cyclones have been yasi, Anthony and ului.

All I'm saying is that EVERYTHING was there, and just by chance nothing eventuated. Just some advice.... You can't call a season over until you see a jet stream off 60+ knots over the coral sea in April, that's the only time when I'll agree that you cannot see a cyclone in the coral sea.

Obviously wind shear is the biggest inhibiting factor for coral sea systems...


Edited by OzCyChaser Trav (18/04/2012 21:26)
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#1100151 - 18/04/2012 22:11 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Trav Dog]
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Originally Posted By: OzCyChaser Trav
Really we were only missing 2 things to help create a low/cyclone.
1. Moderate to fresh se trade winds
2. Monsoon trough


Add these two together and converging along a monsoonal trough and it creates a much better chance of creating vorticity which would then produce a low.

Cyclones can obviously form without a monsoon trough. Some recent cyclones have been yasi, Anthony and ului.

All I'm saying is that EVERYTHING was there, and just by chance nothing eventuated. Just some advice.... You can't call a season over until you see a jet stream off 60+ knots over the coral sea in April, that's the only time when I'll agree that you cannot see a cyclone in the coral sea.

Obviously wind shear is the biggest inhibiting factor for coral sea systems...


This plus very high windshear with subtropical belt so close to CS.
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#1100155 - 18/04/2012 22:35 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Noname]
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Originally Posted By: MathewTownsend
Not being a smart arse in here but I told you all that it is really the cyclone season is over few weeks ago. My intentions wasn't opinionated, I observed that the situation wasn't suitable for cyclonic conditions. I know it is really difficult for listening to an university student about this case. But I have not made this story up.


Mathew... sorry but I do think you are entirely wrong.... the conditions were there as Trav has previously posted. Where exactly did you get the "story" from? If it is your own can you please explain your logic and refute Travs?
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#1100178 - 19/04/2012 06:59 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: boomer]
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What's a sub tropical belt?

If you mean sub tropical ridge then they are actually good if placed over the coral sea, as the ridge moves systems west towards Queensland.
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#1100219 - 19/04/2012 11:42 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Noname]
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Originally Posted By: MathewTownsend
Not being a smart arse in here but I told you all that it is really the cyclone season is over few weeks ago. My intentions wasn't opinionated, I observed that the situation wasn't suitable for cyclonic conditions. I know it is really difficult for listening to an university student about this case. But I have not made this story up.

Sorry Mathew but yes, you are being smart arse. I personally love the posts from Nitso and Trav because they go into great detail, explain everything that is happening and could happen, throw some rough odds in there, and pass it over to us to make our own judgement on. So they give us massive info (for free), some valued opinion and then leave it to us. To me that is incredibly valuable and hugely appreciated. Certainly a lot more than someone posting one liners and 'told you so' posts. Please have some respect!
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#1100273 - 19/04/2012 17:08 Re: Coral Sea Tropical Cyclone Season 2011/12 [Re: Bello Boy]
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Well some of the activity from the nt low has formed a second weak low pressure area and it seems to be in the process of sliding se which will mean a tropical low of some sorts is going to exist over the southern cyp or off the coast in the next few days and with the mjo approaching and strengthening (also the fact that the mjo seems to be enhancing lows more during a lanina) we could definately see a coral cyclone in the next two weeks.

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