The ECL looks like being predominantly a NSW event and there is a thread for it.

http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthrea...g_Inland#UNREAD

Can we close this thread yet? Surely no one's still clinging to hope for this season lol!

no need to close a thread, someone might have some stats on this season or something that maybe of some interest. but certainly there is no reason to continue posting in it if its nothing related.

Well said Mick. What may be of minor interest to the "Low" fiends among us is that low thats going to hit the Tasman over the next few days... watch the satellite... some of the models have been showing a dip as low as 970hpa .... oooh... rotation!

I don't think that was what Mick was talking about...refering to a tasman low

Fine Gazza.... perhaps I should simply start a thread where people interested in lows could discuss them regardless of the boundaries? Wait a minute... I think I did that before with the cyclone lounge and then copped enormous heat as the discussion went outside AOR boundaries (hence my request to shut it down).
What do you think the solution may be?
I'd appreciate some constructive input.

Cheers

I for one think the lounge idea was good however it isn't rocket science that you don't discuss Tasman ECL's in a tropical low and cylone forum. You are just going to have to take up the disussion in the relevant NSW and Victorian threads about these systems.

yes, that is correct, and ecl forming off the SE Qld coast, should be discussed in relevant forum and thread. if its not a developing tropical low, it shouldnt be discussed here.

Fair enough... I agree this is not the correct forum, however, before I go any further I will point out Mick's earlier comments that "someone might have some stats on this season or something that maybe of "some interest", but certainly there is no reason to continue posting in it if its nothing related" can quite easily be interpreted to mean commenting on a deep low on the East coast as being entirely acceptable... it is after all of interest to those who are affected by similar events.... that it doesn't happen to be in the CS is simply being beholden to a thread title.
I digress. Back onto the topic for which I am being chastised.
There is little option to post relatively locally on a subject that is of interest for those who reside outside of a threatened area (particularly as there are often multiple threads discussing the same event elsewhere... and woe betide somebody who multi-posts). If I were to set up an ECL thread I am convinced I would cop the same flak as I did with the Cyclone Lounge.
I agree that for major events a certain protocol should be followed... eg WA thread for an Indian TC. However, as most people in the Far North are well aware, I disagree all events must be discussed in the forum where the events are actually occurring, especially if they hold an overarching interest that may hold little actual personal relevance impact wise (ie.. somebody from Cairns or the Ville discussing a deep low off NSW), and whose interest is academic or simply knowledge gathering/sharing.
It has been well and truly established (see Yas) that it annoys people if members from afar (ie: interstate) start holding discussions that get in the way of their thread, and especially if those posters start using examples or tangents not pertinent to the area immediately under threat (this ECL is a good example of being worthy of discussion to those interested in lows, but for the most part those comments and observations may not be of interest to those in the affected area.... yes I could PM but in doing so there is an exclusion process that fails to benefit pretty much both those doing so while also ignoring those that maybe able to contribute to the conversation).
Putting an ECL thread into General Weather is a possibility but I doubt it would gain the support required form the powers above for the aforementioned reasons.
I've clearly tried in the past to resolve this impasse (with heaps of support)... but have failed.
I won't go down the Cyclone Lounge/Cyclone Central path as I appreciate the powers that be have taken certain suggestions on board and are considering them for next season.
However, rather than risk setting up another thread that will potentially earn the wrath or distaste of certain people I will continue as before.
Should that mean having my posts removed as being "inappropriate" ... then so be it.

I look forward to constructive suggestions.

Cheers

So a ECL forms that is south of the Queensland border, that contains cyclonic elements/features but it can't be discussed within the Cyclone forum because it is in NSW, yet cyclones have impacted on NSW in the past. Is it any wonder we are confused?

An ECL is MUCH different to a TC...

Cold cored verse warm cored topic again

I fail to see any confusion at all, if its in the coral sea, if it 'looks' like developing into a cyclone then this is the thread. if it isnt, then there will be a thread elsewhere, there is no confusion.
i fail to see the problem.
and if any member on this forum has a problem with people from anywhere posting about an event in any forum then it should be brought to a moderators attention. there is no excuse for that.

I don't know why you guys quib about where people talk....it will eventually be moved just for logistics reasons but initially no need to ark up about it and most people will redirect their comments to a particular thread if it has been created. silly people.

I think that any perception of "confusion" arises from one or both of 2 issues (1) Where is the Coral Sea? and (2) What is a tropical cyclone?
Regarding (1)after reading all the arguments over many years in these forums, I think that for the purposes of the forum, the Coral Sea needs to be the area between the Qld coast and New Caledonia/Vanuatu/Solomons/PNG, and not just according to the BoM AOR west of 160E
And as for (2), obviously we are talking about "tropical cyclones" (definition easily available from BoM and other sites) very briefly warm cored systems originating in the tropics, not just any "cyclone" technically a low with a circular air circulation eg ECL. I would have thought that almost everybody with an interest in the weather is aware of the difference, regardless of the comments of some who seem to pretend obtuseness on these forums.

There is no confusion...I think that when it comes down to a cyclone or a Low all the good people to chat to are in this thread or a tropical qld one.Yea we could talk about ECL's in other threads but I think boomer was more talking about it because it looks to be making it's way back up to the Coral Sea. Me personally I like hearing what some of the fellas up North have to say about these systems. The lounge was good but it only got closed down because it was asked to be closed down lol

Not quite true on Cyclone Lounge El Stevo. I asked for it to be shut down as it was quite clear that it was going to be shut down (I wont go into why I know that).
While I really appreciate your support... as for the ECL, no I didn't think it would find its way into the CS... the models and the charts make it clear its not going to happen. It is about discussing Lows... as a general discussion... no matter warm or cold cored... as you say there is a group of people who like to chat about these sort of systems.
As for Rainy Night's comments... yes, I am fully aware of the difference... but as already expressed it's about commenting the various forms that lows take.

BoM 4 days chart seems to think it will make it up into the CS.

Apologies... technically and according to the EC deterministic (marginal and debatable in reality as to where this and other possibly associated lows will end up) you are correct. If a low is above 30S, then yes, as defined by the boundary between the Tasman and the CS it is the CS.
LOL To be honest I didn't consider that... I've never really thought of the CS being that far south..... but that is the point... why does it matter where an arbitrary line is drawn.
Good point El Stevo

El Stevo (and others who may have some misconceptions re the beginning and end of the lounge... I'm sure the mods will be fine with the clarification as it needs to be made clear they did not actually shut it down), for the record, here are the first and last posts of the Cyclone lounge

The first post was immediately changed to dovetail into the existing system... this is contrary to the threads actual intent. Bear in mind the original rationale and post was to open up discussion across boundaries, especially AORs, it was also put in place to ease pressure on threads where serious action ie: Yasi was likely to take place... unfortunately the ideal was completely misunderstood and thus doomed from the beginning.

THE FIRST POST
*edit* By Raindammit

This thread is for all general tropical cyclone discussion, no matter where you live in Australia. Please feel free to post any questions, thoughts, general comments here.

Any posts relating specifically to a current system should be in that particular thread.


Edited by Raindammit (5/09/2011 13:04)



THE LAST POST
Originally Posted By: boomer
Okay, I concede, we have lost.
I request that the cyclone lounge be shut down (I started it so I guess it's fair I request its demise).

I, along with several others, started the the cyclone lounge after the debacle of last year around the time of Yasi.
The intent was to create a space where there were no real rules as to what could be discussed.
WZ has not embraced the concept and is clearly content with its prior structure.
To that end, the Cyclone Lounge should be killed.

Posted by Raindammit
This thread was never a war or competition that could be won or lost, that's an odd statement to make.

The reasons why the thread is failing:
-multiple cross posts
-people are totally ignoring the world forum
-you can't have a thread with 'no rules' (as proven by the current confusion)

Mods and admin have been discussing the pros and cons of this thread since its creation, and the overall opinion is that it will just not work.

We had already decided to close this thread at the end of the current season, but as Boomer has requested that it be closed now then so be it.

Please now use the relevant threads in the cyclone and world forums.

I concede I (boomer) did not articulate my last post well... but for anybody involved none would agree it was about having no rules... however, there is no doubt it was about pushing for change. Unfortunately it simply didn't work in the eyes of some.
I specifically include the very highest level of admin in this last comment.
However, I understand some change may be underway... I keep my fingers crossed in regard to next season... which is actually not very far away.