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#1103422 - 09/05/2012 16:16 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Time to terminate Big Wind subsidies and protect environmental values, endangered species, jobs and human welfare

Guest post by Paul Driessen

Unprecedented! As bills to extend seemingly perpetual wind energy subsidies were again introduced by industry lobbyists late last year, taxpayers finally decided they’d had enough.

Informed and inspired by a loose but growing national coalition of groups opposed to more giveaways with no scientifically proven net benefits, thousands of citizens called their senators and representatives – and rounded up enough Nay votes to run four different bills aground. For once, democracy worked.

A shocked American Wind Energy Association and its allies began even more aggressive recruiting of well-connected Democrat and Republican political operatives and cosponsors – and introducing more proposals like HR 3307 to extend the Production Tax Credit (PTC). Parallel efforts were launched in state legislatures, to maintain mandates, subsidies, feed-in tariffs, renewable energy credits, and other “temporary” ratepayer and taxpayer obligations.



This “emerging industry” is “vitally important” to our energy future, supporters insisted. It provides “clean energy” and “over 37,000” jobs that “states can’t afford to lose.” It helps prevent global warming.

None of these sales pitches holds up under objective scrutiny, and their growing awareness of this basic reality has finally made many in Congress inclined to eliminate this wasteful spending on wind power.

Entitlement advocates are petrified at that possibility. Crony corporatist lobbyists and politicians have built a small army to take on beleaguered taxpayers, rate payers and business owners who say America can no longer afford to spend more borrowed money, to prop up energy policies that drive up electricity costs, damage the environment, and primarily benefit foreign conglomerates and a privileged few.

To confront the growing onslaught of wind industry pressure and propaganda, citizens should understand the fundamental facts about wind energy. Here are some of the top reasons for opposing further handouts.

Energy 101. It is impossible to have wind turbines without fossil fuels, especially natural gas. Turbines average only 30% of their “rated capacity” – and less than 5% on the hottest and coldest days, when electricity is needed most. They produce excessive electricity when it is least needed, and electricity cannot be stored for later use. Hydrocarbon-fired backup generators must run constantly, to fill the gap and avoid brownouts, blackouts, and grid destabilization due to constant surges and falloffs in electricity to the grid. Wind turbines frequently draw electricity from the grid, to keep blades turning when the wind is not blowing, reduce strain on turbine gears, and prevent icing during periods of winter calm.

Energy 201. Despite tens of billions in subsidies, wind turbines still generate less than 3% of US electricity. Thankfully, conventional sources keep our country running – and America still has centuries of hydrocarbon resources. It’s time our government allowed us to develop and use those resources.

Economics 101. It is likewise impossible to have wind turbines without perpetual subsidies – mostly money borrowed from Chinese banks and future generations. Wind has never been able to compete economically with traditional energy, and there is no credible evidence that it will be able to in the foreseeable future, especially with abundant natural gas costing one-fourth what it did just a few years ago. It thus makes far more sense to rely on the plentiful, reliable, affordable electricity sources that have powered our economy for decades, build more gas-fired generators – and recycle wind turbines into useful products (while preserving a few as museum exhibits).

Economics 201. As Spain, Germany, Britain and other countries have learned, wind energy mandates and subsidies drive up the price of electricity – for families, factories, hospitals, schools, offices and shops. They squeeze budgets and cost jobs. Indeed, studies have found that two to four traditional jobs are lost for every wind or other “green” job created. That means the supposed 37,000 jobs (perpetuated by $5 billion to $10 billion in combined annual subsidies, or $135,000 to $270,000 per wind job) are likely costing the United States 74,000 to 158,000 traditional jobs, while diverting billions from far more productive uses.

Environment 101. Industrial wind turbine projects require enormous quantities of rare earth metals, concrete, steel, copper, fiberglass and other raw materials, for highly inefficient turbines, multiple backup generators and thousands of miles of high-voltage transmission lines. Extracting and processing these materials, turning them into finished components, and shipping and installing the turbines and power lines involve enormous amounts of fossil fuel and extensive environmental damage. Offshore wind turbine projects are even more expensive, resource intensive and indefensible. Calling wind energy “clean” or “eco-friendly” is an extraordinary distortion of the facts.

Environment 201. Wind turbines, transmission lines and backup generators also require vast amounts of crop, scenic and wildlife habitat land. Where a typical 600-megawatt coal or gas-fired power plant requires 250-750 acres, to generate power 90-95% of the year, a 600-MW wind installation needs 40,000 to 50,000 acres (or more), to deliver 30% performance. And while gas, coal and nuclear plants can be built close to cities, wind installations must go where the wind blows, typically hundreds of miles away – adding thousands of additional acres to every project for transmission lines.

Environment 301. Sometimes referred to as “Cuisinarts of the air,” US wind turbines also slaughter nearly half a million eagles, hawks, falcons, vultures, ducks, geese, bats and other rare, threatened, endangered and otherwise protected flying creatures every year. (Those aren’t song birds killed by house cats, and this may be a conservative number, as coyotes and turbine operator cleanup crews remove much of the evidence.) But while oil companies are prosecuted for the deaths of even a dozen common ducks, turbine operators have been granted a blanket exemption from endangered and migratory species laws and penalties. Now the US Fish and Wildlife Service is proposing a formal rule to allow repeated “takings” (killings) of bald and golden eagles by wind turbines – in effect granting operators a 007 license to kill.

Environment 401. Scientific support for CO2-driven catastrophic manmade global warming continues to diminish. Even if carbon dioxide does contribute to climate change, there is no evidence that even thousands of US wind turbines will affect future global temperatures by more than a few hundredths of a degree. Not only do CO2 emissions from backup generators (and wind turbine manufacturing) offset any reductions by the turbines, but rapidly increasing emissions from Brazil, China, India, Indonesia and other rapidly developing countries dwarf any possible US wind-related CO2 reductions.

Human Health and Welfare 101. Skyrocketing electricity prices due to “renewable portfolio standards” raise heating and air conditioning costs; drive families into fuel poverty; increase food, medical, school and other costs; and force companies to lay off workers, further impairing their families’ health and welfare. The strobe-light effect, annoying audible noise, and inaudible low-frequency sound from whirling blades result in nervous fatigue, headaches, dizziness, irritability, sleep problems, and vibro-acoustic effects on people’s hearts and lungs. Land owners receive royalties for having turbines on their property, but neighbors receive no income and face adverse health effects, decreased property values and difficulty selling their homes. Formerly close-knit communities are torn apart.

Real World Civics 101. Politicians take billions from taxpayers, ratepayers and profitable businesses, to provide subsidies to Big Wind companies, who buy mostly Made Somewhere Else turbines – and then contribute millions to the politicians’ reelection campaigns, to keep the incestuous cycle going.

It is truly government gone wild – GSA on steroids. It is unsustainable. It is a classic sWINDle.

Citizens can contact senators, congressmen, congressional committees and state representatives – to demand science-based energy policies. These reasons could be a good way to start the conversation.

___________

Paul Driessen is senior policy advisor for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow and Congress of Racial Equality, and author or Eco-Imperialism: Green power – Black death.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/08/time-to-terminate-big-wind-subsidies/#comment-980131
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#1103432 - 09/05/2012 17:12 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/09/chronology-the-yamal-deception/#more-63137
Read in full plus rebuff of the response to McIntryre etc, a lot of work was put into looking at it
and it is obvious that bristlecones and interpretation can be nonsense at times!
Of course you believe your side CB what else can we expect!


Edited by bd bucketingdown (09/05/2012 17:13)

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#1103433 - 09/05/2012 17:24 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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CeeBee

When advised that something is wrong with the data and interpretations, "real" scientists correct, and thank those that pointed out the error:

Here is Kaufamann admitting that he used the 4 Tiljander series incorrectly, and thanking those that advised of the error:

Quote:
Reports: “Recent warming reverses long-term Arctic cooling” by D. S. Kaufman et al. (4 September 2009, p. 1236). Of the 23 previously published proxy temperature records included in the synthesis, 4 were corrected to conform to the interpretations of the original authors, and one was updated by omitting the high-pass filter
...
We thank H. McCulloch and others who have pointed out errors and have offered suggestions. The original conclusions of the paper have been strengthened as a result.


http://www.arcus.org/synthesis2k/synthesis/Correction_and_Clarification.pdf


Here are how "climatescientists" respond:

Quote:
The claim that “upside down” data were used is bizarre. Multivariate regression methods are insensitive to the sign of predictors. Screening, when used, employed one-sided tests only when a definite sign could be a priori reasoned on physical grounds. Potential nonclimatic influences on the Tiljander and other proxies were discussed in the SI, which showed that none of our central conclusions relied on their use.
...
In summary, their criticisms have no merit.


Your link...

If you look at p15 in the supplemental below, you will see how Mann used the 4 Tiljander proxies:

Supplementary Information Mann et al PNAS ‘08

[sorry - only version on the net I can find]



This is the correct orientation:



Where there is a clear warm medieval period puncutated by a cool spike... from the abstract to make it abundantly clear:

Quote:
The Medieval Climate Anomaly (often termed the Medieval Warm Period) of AD 980–1250, which is characterized by highly organic sediment and a minor minerogenic flux during mild winters, started and terminated abruptly, but also included a short (30-year) colder period lasting between AD 1115 and AD 1145.


Tiljander 2003:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1502-3885.2003.tb01236.x/abstract

And so, given that the data is contaminated in the 20th Century and the varve thickness falsley shows a decliene in temps, isn't it convenient that the Multivariate regression methods are insensitive to the sign of predictors? Especially where the orientation of the predictors is wrong and so when the regression will conveniently show a cold medieval warm period rather than a warm one!

It's amazing isn't it how the science is perverted to fit the "cause"?
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#1103511 - 10/05/2012 10:25 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Huh? What's with the Japanese language? - English please. Those diagrams are about as clear as mud. How you get an upside down proxie from those images defies belief.

That is not a convincing rebuttal at all!

Look at this image from your link on Kaufamann's correction.

http://htmlimg2.scribdassets.com/20011wzq80tlpk0/images/40-a9922e3645.jpg

How do explain that?




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#1103513 - 10/05/2012 10:42 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Here's the image from Kaufmann's correction. There's no difference from Manns supposed upside down proxies!



http://www.arcus.org/synthesis2k/synthesis/Correction_and_Clarification.pdf

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#1103514 - 10/05/2012 10:50 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: arnost
sorry - only version on the net I can find
So you didn't even read the post.

Change view to zoom in to 200% and you can read it.

Chinese not Japanese.

Even I can understand that they have inverted the graph to make the results the complete opposite to the actual observations.

operor non nutritor custodis.
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#1103516 - 10/05/2012 11:09 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: Sir BoabTree
Originally Posted By: arnost
sorry - only version on the net I can find
So you didn't even read the post.

Change view to zoom in to 200% and you can read it.

Chinese not Japanese.

Even I can understand that they have inverted the graph to make the results the complete opposite to the actual observations.

operor non nutritor custodis.


I did read the post did you?. If you'd read it you'd have seen where Steve McIntyre actually said it's in Japanese.

You'd better tell him it's Chinese, not Japanese. Or maybe you got it wrong and that it is actually in Japanese.

http://climateaudit.org/2009/02/26/upside-down-tiljander-in-japan/

The only person that is showing images upside down is Steve McIntyre!



Figure 1. Excerpt from Tiljander et al, rotated from vertical in original graphic to show interpreted warm periods as up.

WUWT!!!



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#1103525 - 10/05/2012 11:52 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__


From your friends at the Heartland Institute


Heartland is in a whole lotta pain right now!

HeartlandGate!

Forecast the Facts, an organization dedicated to ensuring that Americans are accurately informed about climate change, applauds the United Services Automobile Association’s (USAA) decision to immediately pull its support for the Heartland Institute.

USAA joins several other insurance companies that have already pulled their funding, including State Farm Insurance, Renaissance Re, the Association of Bermuda Insurers and Reinsurers, XL Group, and Allied World Assurance.

During the past two months, Forecast the Facts has led the campaign calling on corporations to pull their support from Heartland, mobilizing more than 20,000 people in the process.

Automobile giant General Motors was the first to respond, ending their twenty-year relationship with Heartland on March 28. GM was followed by the insurance companies mentioned above and beverage maker Diageo, bringing the total to eight companies that have pulled out.

http://forecastthefacts.org/press/releas...-their-support/

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#1103527 - 10/05/2012 11:53 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: Sir BoabTree
Originally Posted By: arnost
sorry - only version on the net I can find
So you didn't even read the post.

Change view to zoom in to 200% and you can read it.

Chinese not Japanese.

Even I can understand that they have inverted the graph to make the results the complete opposite to the actual observations.

operor non nutritor custodis.


LOL

I also said that it is on page 16 of Mann's Supplementary Info for the 2008 paper. To which I provided a link.

CeeBee hasn't got a leg to stand on in this case - even SkepSci is silent on the matter.
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#1103536 - 10/05/2012 13:09 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Originally Posted By: Sir BoabTree
Originally Posted By: arnost
sorry - only version on the net I can find
So you didn't even read the post.

Change view to zoom in to 200% and you can read it.

Chinese not Japanese.

Even I can understand that they have inverted the graph to make the results the complete opposite to the actual observations.

operor non nutritor custodis.


LOL

I also said that it is on page 16 of Mann's Supplementary Info for the 2008 paper. To which I provided a link.

CeeBee hasn't got a leg to stand on in this case - even SkepSci is silent on the matter.


You did not say it was on page 16.

You also failed to answer my questions above and why didn't you make it clear that the image you posted by Steve McIntyre was actually manipulated by him where he went and flipped it upside down!





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#1103550 - 10/05/2012 14:04 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Quote:
You did not say it was on page 16.


Huge appologies... I was wrong, yoiu are right. I said page 15. [Which is where the graph is]

And you are right as as McIntyre posted a scan of what is in the Tiljander paper [To which I posted a link] rotated 90 degrees. OH MY GOD. For taking such a liberty, what punishment do you recommend for McIntyre?
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#1103567 - 10/05/2012 15:26 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
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You did not say it was on page 16.


Huge appologies... I was wrong, yoiu are right. I said page 15. [Which is where the graph is]

And you are right as as McIntyre posted a scan of what is in the Tiljander paper [To which I posted a link] rotated 90 degrees. OH MY GOD. For taking such a liberty, what punishment do you recommend for McIntyre?


I think that just being more skeptical of anything that McIntyre posts is in order here.

Glad that you cleared up your mistakes. You didn't answer the problem with your other claim about Kaufman though.

Here's his corrected proxies again.



How come Kaufman's corrected proxies are the same as Mann's when you claimed that Kaufman had fixed his?

http://www.arcus.org/synthesis2k/synthesis/Correction_and_Clarification.pdf



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#1103578 - 10/05/2012 16:01 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Kaufman's graph above is the multi-proxy (i.e. a composite of some 20+ series). I quote again:

Quote:
Of the 23 previously published proxy temperature records included in the synthesis, 4 were corrected to conform to the interpretations of the original authors, and one was updated by omitting the high-pass filter.


Kaufan used the Tiljander series like Mann did - McIntyre found it and Hu McCulloch advised Kaufman. Whilst Mann blustered, Kaufman confirmed how the series was supposed to be oriented (i.e cool modern, warm medieval), and corrected. Good science all round - progress made.
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#1103593 - 10/05/2012 17:29 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Kaufman's graph above is the multi-proxy (i.e. a composite of some 20+ series). I quote again:

Quote:
Of the 23 previously published proxy temperature records included in the synthesis, 4 were corrected to conform to the interpretations of the original authors, and one was updated by omitting the high-pass filter.


Kaufan used the Tiljander series like Mann did - McIntyre found it and Hu McCulloch advised Kaufman. Whilst Mann blustered, Kaufman confirmed how the series was supposed to be oriented (i.e cool modern, warm medieval), and corrected. Good science all round - progress made.


The graph shows the 4 corrected proxies. They are exactly the same as Mann's. You need to explain how come the corrected proxies in Kaufman's corrected graph still matches Mann's work. So far you've failed to do so.

Shouldn't Kaufman's corrected graph show the Tiljander series pointing going downwards as McIntye erroneously claimed it should?


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#1103599 - 10/05/2012 18:13 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/05/09/envisat-declared-dead-in-space/#more-63251

From the European Space Agency:
PR 15 2012 – Just weeks after celebrating its tenth year in orbit, communication with the Envisat satellite was suddenly lost on 8 April. Following rigorous attempts to re-establish contact and the investigation of failure scenarios, the end of the mission is being declared.
A team of engineers has spent the last month attempting to regain control of Envisat, investigating possible reasons for the problem.

Despite continuous commands sent from a widespread network of ground stations, there has been no reaction yet from the satellite.

As there were no signs of degradation before the loss of contact, the team has been collecting other information to help understand the satellite’s condition. These include images from ground radar and the French Pleiades satellite.


With this information, the team has gradually elaborated possible failure scenarios. One is the loss of the power regulator, blocking telemetry and telecommands.
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#1103612 - 10/05/2012 19:16 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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NASA is not replacing the satelites. They are failing and soon we will not have reliable telemetry from space. And whatever data comes down will need so much adjustment and correction that it will be made to look like anything...
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#1103640 - 10/05/2012 22:10 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
Shouldn't Kaufman's corrected graph show the Tiljander series pointing going downwards as McIntyre erroneously claimed it should?


Erroneously? McIntyre’s right Mann is wrong.
One last attempt. [I know famous last words :)]

Here is the Supporting Online Material for Kaufman as updated:
http://www.arcus.org/synthesis2k/synthesis/Kaufman_et_al_SOM_corrected.pdf

You will see that the Tijander records (from above p10):

Are noted as truncated in the latter part of the series [§]. Here is an Excel file with Kaufman's proxy "temp" data – check for yourself:
http://www.arcus.org/synthesis2k/synthesis/kaufman2009arctic.xls

Why are they truncated? Well because in Tijander et al 2003
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1502-3885.2003.tb01236.x/abstract

It was explicitly noted that the last part of the series is “strongly affected by human activities” and that the average varve thickness increases significantly. From Tiljaner et al 2003:


This can be seen in the full representation of the varve thicknesses:


In Tiljander 2003, the thickness of the varves was not directly correlated to temperatures. However, varve thickness was correlated with more favourable conditions:


It was explicitly noted that the varve thickness did contain more organic matter in warmer periods:


So – to do what McIntyre did, [if the varve thickness was to correlate to temperatures], and to compare it to what Mann did, I rotated it 90° (where the Medieval Warm period was warm and Little Ice Age cold):

Mann 2008 orientation:


So to summarise: The latter part of the Tiljander record was corrupted such that if used as a temperature proxy, then it would show a significant cooling. Mann used the data ignoring the fact that the data was corrupted in the calibration period (where it showed a cooling) and as the regression method was “insensitive to the sign” it assumed that the cooling was a warming and “flipped” the series. This meant that Mann had a temperature proxy that showed a cool medieval warm period, and a hockey stick warming in the modern period. Just what the doctor ordered!

Kaufman accepted this as incorrect, and to his credit corrected his paper and turned the series the way that it was meant to be (and ignored the corrupted latter part of the record). [And that’s how science is meant to be done]. Meanwhile Michael Mann and his supporters refuse to admit error and defend the indefensible… To the extent that the upside-down Tiljander series was used (in its incorrect orientation) as late as 2011 in a Rahmstorf paper.
Quote:
Update 2 (June 23 2011)

People have asked whether the use of the Tiljander proxies in the Mann et al (2008) EIV surface temperature reconstructions matters for the conclusions of this or any related studies. The answer, as provided previously in the literature (see this reply to a comment in PNAS) is no.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/06/2000-years-of-sea-level/

Originally Posted By: CeeBee
I think that just being more skeptical of anything that McIntyre Mann posts is in order here.

That's better and more truthful - No?

cheers
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#1103647 - 10/05/2012 22:42 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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I just compressed Mann's Tilljander xraydenseave series - and plotted against the correctly oriented Tiljander xray density plot.



Perfect mirror match - Mann's is upside down, flipped, WRONG!
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#1103682 - 11/05/2012 09:48 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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For ST who denied that the term, the so called "Deniers" of global warming was ever very deliberately linked to the "Deniers" of the Holocaust.

From WUWT; On the climate, the holocaust, denial, billboards, and all that
Quote:
It is also important to review who brought the comparisons of holocaust denial and climate skepticism together, a mainstream journalist, columnist Ellen Goodman, is credited with popularizing the usage in 2007. Here, she makes a clear unambiguous connection:

I would like to say we’re at a point where global warming is impossible to deny. Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future. – Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe, February 9, 2007 “No change in political climate” on the Wayback Machine here


Original article from the Boston Globe news site;

No change in political climate
By Ellen Goodman | February 9, 2007

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#1103684 - 11/05/2012 09:52 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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You still don't understand how Steve McIntyre has erroneously manipulated the Tiljander graph!

Here's the correct graph from Tiljander et al.


Figure 1. The relative X-ray density series in Tiljander et al.

Now compare that next to Mann's graph and Kaufman's corrected proxies graph.

Can you see now how misleading Mcintyre is??

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