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#1105011 - 21/05/2012 07:54 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Peter Gleick cleared of forging documents in Heartland exposé

Scientist who admitted deception to obtain internal Heartland documents was found in investigation not to have faked material.

A review has cleared the scientist Peter Gleick of forging any documents in his exposé of the rightwing Heartland Institute's strategy and finances, the Guardian has learned.

The leaked Heartland documents included a list of donors and plans to instil doubts in schoolchildren on the existence of climate change.

They brought new scrutiny to the efforts by Heartland to block action on global warming, and to the existence of a shadowy network of rightwing organisations working to discredit climate science.

In the aftermath, Heartland lost a number of corporate donors, beginning with the General Motors Foundation. The disclosure GM had funded Heartland work unrelated to climate was embarrassing for a foundation publicly committed to action on climate change.

The thinktank also tried to capitalise on Gleick's actions, devoting a section of its website to Fakegate, as it termed the sting, and appealing for donations to combat what it called leftwing bullying.

Following the expose, Heartland acknowledged most of the documents were genuine.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/20/peter-gleick-cleared-heartland

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#1105012 - 21/05/2012 07:57 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Heartland Institute facing uncertain future as staff depart and cash dries up

Free-market thinktank's conference opens in Chicago with president admitting defections are hurting group's finances.

The first Heartland Institute conference on climate change in 2008 had all the trappings of a major scientific conclave – minus large numbers of real scientists. Hundreds of climate change contrarians, with a few academics among them, descended into the banquet rooms of a lavish Times Square hotel for what was purported to be a reasoned debate about climate change.

But as the latest Heartland climate conference opens in a Chicago hotel on Monday, the thinktank's claims to reasoned debate lie in shreds and its financial future remains uncertain.

Heartland's claims to "stay above the fray" of the climate wars was exploded by a billboard campaign earlier this month comparing climate change believers to the Unabomer Ted Kaczynski, and a document sting last February that revealed a plan to spread doubt among kindergarteners on the existence of climate change.

Along with the damage to its reputation, Heartland's financial future is also threatened by an exodus of corporate donors as well as key members of staff.

In a fiery blogpost on the Heartland website, the organisation's president Joseph Bast admitted Heartland's defectors were "abandoning us in this moment of need".

Over the last few weeks, Heartland has lost at least $825,000 in expected funds for 2012, or more than 35% of the funds its planned to raise from corporate donors, according to the campaign group Forecast the Facts, which is pushing companies to boycott the organisation.

The organisation has been forced to make up those funds by taking its first publicly acknowledged donations from the coal industry. The main Illinois coal lobby is a last-minute sponsor of this week's conference, undermining Heartland's claims to operate independently of fossil fuel interests.

Its entire Washington DC office, barring one staffer, decamped, taking Heartland's biggest project, involving the insurance industry, with them.

Board directors quit, conference speakers cancelled at short-notice, and associates of long standing demanded Heartland remove their names from its website. The list of conference sponsors shrank by nearly half from 2010, and many of those listed sponsors are just websites operating on the rightwing fringe.

"It's haemorrhaging," said Kert Davies, research director of Greenpeace, who has spent years tracking climate contrarian outfits. "Heartland's true colours finally came through, and now people are jumping ship in quick order."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/may/20/heartland-institute-future-staff-cash

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#1105013 - 21/05/2012 07:58 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Arctic melt releasing ancient methane

Scientists have identified thousands of sites in the Arctic where methane that has been stored for many millennia is bubbling into the atmosphere.

The methane has been trapped by ice, but is able to escape as the ice melts.

Writing in the journal Nature Geoscience, the researchers say this ancient gas could have a significant impact on climate change.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18120093

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#1105017 - 21/05/2012 08:48 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Must be some sort of record CeeBee.

One newspaper ran the Glieck is not guilty story and already the link has been taken down and no other stories appear in any other news sources except those that link directly back to the Guardian story. Each link, and I have checked 7 different online soucres like Green Temple, Tree Huggers etc have all just cut and paste the link to the Gaurdian article which doesn't exist anymore. Smells like a concerted attempt to further discredit Heartland to me.

Glieck is an admitted fraud, liar and thief.

It matters little in the scheme of things whether he added another charge of forgery to his list of crimes. He is completely tainted and nothing he has ever produced or will produce will ever again will be treated on face valve.
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#1105018 - 21/05/2012 09:00 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/
No sign of the story on the Guardian home page.
No sign of who reviewed him either.
Was it a committee made up of himself only, a cohort of friends, a panel of independent obsevers, was it a legal panel that after gathering all the evidence decided not to press charges when he has already admitted publicly to several other crimes associated with the forging of this dcument or was the whole thing a fabrication to bring Heartland into disrepute?
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#1105020 - 21/05/2012 09:22 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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LOL whenever anyone from here on mentions Gleick's crimes the warmist luvvies will link that as proof that he's completely exhonerated. Watch this space.
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#1105025 - 21/05/2012 09:51 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Professor Will Steffen responds to The Australian

Originally Posted By: Will Steffen

STRANGE things can happen when media and science meet, nothing stranger than The Australian's recent attempt to assess mainstream climate science.

The Australian (May 15, pages 1 and 5) asserts that, based on its cursory review of Bureau of Meteorology data, the Climate Commission's latest report on the impact of climate change on NSW is incorrect.

However, rather than casting doubt on the report, The Australian's assessment actually confirms the Climate Commission's findings.

The science in question concerns the change in hot weather - days above 35C - across the Sydney region during the past 40 years or so. The Climate Commission report included two graphs showing the change in hot weather from 1968 to 2011 in central Sydney (Sydney Cove - Observatory Hill station) and in the western suburbs (Parramatta North - Masons Drive station).

The graphs showed no trend for central Sydney but a 60 per cent increase in hot days in Parramatta in that period. Central Sydney benefits from frequent cooling sea breezes, while the trend in Parramatta is probably due to a combination of an increasing urban heat island effect and the underlying trend of rising temperature due to global warming.

The underlying effect of global warming is evidenced more broadly across Australia in a doubling in the number of record hot days in the past 50 years.

In analysing the commission's report, The Australian did not use the full data set that was available to it from the bureau. Had it done so, the long-term nature of the heating trend would have been clearer. In addition, the article mentions changes in the number of hot days during five-year intervals, which simply describes short-term variability and is not relevant for the longer-term trends associated with climate change.

The Australian apparently asserts that the commission did not look at enough weather stations to provide an accurate overview of changes in hot weather in the Sydney region. It published five graphs of changes in hot weather, the original two from the commission's report plus graphs for Sydney Airport, Bankstown Airport and Prospect Reservoir. However, these other graphs confirm precisely what the commission has shown - that the number of hot days in western Sydney has risen during the past four decades and has risen at rate greater than that for the eastern suburbs.

In fact, the commission erred on the careful, conservative side by not including the station at Prospect Reservoir, which showed a much more pronounced trend than either Parramatta or Bankstown Airport. In fact the trend is an increase of about 200 per cent in hot days since 1965.

A much larger data set based on weather stations across rural NSW, where there is no urban heat island effect, shows an increase in hot days of about 50 per cent in the past half-century, similar to the trend observed at the Parramatta station.

In its editorial of May 15, The Australian asserts that the language used in the commission's report regarding heatwaves and bushfires was too strong. In contrast it asserts that the language regarding the link between heavy rainfall events and climate change was too weak. Perhaps we got it just about right.

The bulk of the Climate Commission's report focused on what has happened already. During the past 40 years NSW has been getting hotter and there has been an increase in extreme fire danger weather. These climatic trends carry large risks for human health and wellbeing, and for the infrastructure and natural systems on which we depend.

We must not be tempted to shoot the messenger just because they have bad news. That is never a good strategy for dealing with bad news from your family doctor, nor is it a good strategy for dealing with bad news from scientists who point to serious challenges facing society as a whole.

The Climate Commission's report is based directly on data and research from Australia's most outstanding observation and research institutions - the CSIRO, the Bureau of Meteorology and our world-class universities.

The Australian said in its editorial: "We accept that the majority of scientific opinion says human-induced carbon emissions are contributing to a warming climate." That is correct.

It could have added that human-induced emissions are the main contribution to observed warming in the past half-century. Then it would have been spot-on.

So there is much agreement between The Australian and the Climate Commission on the science of climate change. It is time to stop the phony, divisive, manufactured "debate" on climate science, and move on to solutions to the climate change challenge.

There is a massive amount of observed temperature data for stations across Australia freely available to the public on the Bureau of Meteorology's website: www.bom.gov.au.

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#1105026 - 21/05/2012 09:52 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: Sir BoabTree

Glieck is an admitted fraud, liar and thief.

It matters little in the scheme of things whether he added another charge of forgery to his list of crimes. He is completely tainted and nothing he has ever produced or will produce will ever again will be treated on face valve.

So by that logic, all the emails fraudelently obtained from the HadCRU server are completely tainted as well and shouldn't be treated at face value.

Good, I'm glad we've got that sorted out then.

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#1105027 - 21/05/2012 09:53 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Articles back up Climate Commission's findings of a warming NSW

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opi...o-1226361620388

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#1105035 - 21/05/2012 10:34 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Yes PG the emails where illegally obtained but no fraud was involved.

The email server was hacked remotely not via social engineering as the internal and external investigations have shown.

That doesn't for 1 second change the content of them or them being used in several court cases since their release so claiming that they are tainted the same as the Glieck documents is a pretty long bow to draw.

No one has claimed that any of the 7000+ emails from any source has been fiddled with. They are authentic emails from the persons who sent and replied to them. Their contents are beyond dispute.

Whoever obtained the emails broke in via a dodgy security setting, not by commiting fraud and then bragging about it to the online community.

Glieck was a scientist of some standing within his scientific community and committed fraud by presenting himself as another person to obtain the documents and then a person or persons unknown then fabricated a document to cast Heartland in a bad light.

The two cases are completely different legally.
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#1105044 - 21/05/2012 11:32 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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The Guardian pulled/probably non-factual article about Glieck and also the trumped-up problems at the Heartland Institute is a good example of what my skin is in this game. The pro-global warming side is just too wedded to their belief rather than what is happening.

Their primary concern is the PR battle. How many people believe their side. It is the most important thing by far, more important than any semblance of the truth.

I just don't operate on that level. I want my facts to be facts. If we are causing a problem with the Earth's climate 50 years from now, then we should absolutely cut emissions now, but I don't want to be forced to if it is not true. Just because someone really believes that to be the case. You can fact me into it, but you can 't force me into it without actual factual evidence.

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#1105046 - 21/05/2012 11:41 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Bill Illis]
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Funny how when we put up some article on our side that has just come out generally in the news, CB often immediately pulls out some often old AGW news story or three in a row, obviously to try and change the subject, or to try and mask everything in the thread. It seems like a deliberate AGW planned effort to me to try and weaken the threads and keep pushing AGW constantly, to me anyway.


Edited by bd bucketingdown (21/05/2012 11:43)

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#1105067 - 21/05/2012 13:28 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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That wascally CB and his evil AGW plot has been exposed...naughty me for posting articles about AGW in a thread that says "Interesting news articles about AGW" *rolls eyes*


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#1105068 - 21/05/2012 13:31 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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If CEEBEE and PG wish to live in a country where they can command the people what to think we should pass around the hat and buy them each a oneway ticket to North Korea where their talents would be welcome.

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#1105084 - 21/05/2012 14:37 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: GDL]
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Is posting articles about AGW commanding people what to think? How so?

Surely people are free to think whatever they want!

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#1105091 - 21/05/2012 15:14 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
That wascally CB and his evil AGW plot has been exposed...naughty me for posting articles about AGW in a thread that says "Interesting news articles about AGW" *rolls eyes*



Maybe your overlooking the First word in that Title .... INTERESTING , as opposed to 30 " complete transcripts " to what could be for all we can prove be made up crap , that you tend to spam in here regularly ......
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#1105092 - 21/05/2012 15:20 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: S .O.]
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What's INTERESTING to me may or may not be INTERESTING to you. Are you forced to read it?

Sir BoabTree, as but one example, makes many posts here that are "complete transcripts". Why is not that also considered spam?

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#1105095 - 21/05/2012 15:26 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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‘The Great Big Book of Horrible Things’: WWII and Climate Change

What our great failure in the 1930s may teach about facing the rapid assault of manmade global warming (Or “Hell is the truth seen too late.”)

“The Great Big Book of Horrible Things: The Definitive Chronicle of History’s 100 Worst Atrocities” is a bright door stopper and mind opener.

That jaunty title, which often brings a smile to those to whom I mention it, even hints at one reason we may have evolved humor in the first place: A little sugar can make the worst sort of important news at least palatable, so we can swallow it, get it down to where we can try to digest it.

And with a growing number of the world’s climate scientists now speaking publicly about the grave global “catastrophe” and the imminent “threat to global civilization” now building in the form of manmade global warming, White’s book offers a simple, painful lesson.

It reminds us that humanity has often and recently failed to prevent collective calamity, even when many people can see it coming and try to warn everyone.

In other words, just because we see an immense and possibly preventable cataclysm approaching, it’s important to realize that it doesn’t mean we’ll prevent it, necessarily … however unbearable the thought of that possibility may be.

“Hell Is Truth Seen Too late.” – 18th Cent. Philosopher Thomas Hobbes
Given what the world’s climate scientists are now begging us to understand, it seems only logical that before we can begin to glimpse and assess any reasons for realistic hope in the rapidly growing climate crisis, it is important to see the true size of the problem.

And, as these scientists often tell us, the problem’s biggest unknown is “What will the humans do?” Will humanity respond adequately in time to make temperatures level off well within the lifetime of today’s teenagers?

Harvard historian and social anthropologist Timothy Weiskel, in his courses on the many aspects of the crisis of manmade global warming, sometimes quotes the insight of 18th century philosopher Thomas Hobbes that “Hell is truth seen too late.”

The world’s climate scientists are in effect telling us that one part of the truth we must now try to see is humanity’s ability — or lack of it — for collective prevention of enormous manmade disaster, atrocity.

The record is worrisome.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2...climate-change/

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#1105097 - 21/05/2012 15:34 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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CeeBee .

If you truly wish to stop this Carbon Death ....
Perhaps you could Plant a Tree for every Post you place in this thread . Cause at the moment all your contributions to " server space " , and data transfer somewhere along the lines will be adding to0 global warming .
Data centres are highly in efficient , using alot of energy to run and keep cool .......
Just think you'd have a small forest by now if you had have done this at the start . Either that or find a hobby .
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#1105100 - 21/05/2012 15:44 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: S .O.]
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Southern Oracle - this thread is for articles about AGW. If you don't like to read about AGW then don't click on the thread - that's one less mouse click - one less bit of energy used!

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