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#1115356 - 18/07/2012 09:46 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: marakai]
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Corrupt enough data to obscure the fiddling and it all becomes too hard for anyone to understand. This alone is why repeated demands for raw data from CRU/IPCC have been made time and again so that the real data can be used to refute the fiddled with data.

Meanwhile enHansening and Mannipulations will occur as they have done in the past and will continue to do so until these clowns are bought to book.
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#1115358 - 18/07/2012 10:02 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: marakai]
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Originally Posted By: marakai
Throw this into the mix of adjusted raw data as well.

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New paper blames about half of global warming on weather station data homgenization
Posted on July 17, 2012 by Anthony Watts

I’m going to make this a top post for a day, new posts will appear below this one. Dr. Richard Muller and BEST, please take note prior to publishing your upcoming paper (I’ve sent them a notice).- Anthony

From the told ya so department, comes this new peer reviewed paper recently presented at the European Geosciences Union meeting.

Authors Steirou and Koutsoyiannis, after taking homogenization errors into account find global warming over the past century was only about one-half [0.42°C] of that claimed by the IPCC [0.7-0.8°C].




http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/17/ne...ion/#more-67591


When you put all this into context you really have to ask just what is it that the current Global temperature is being measured against ?

Apparently Alice springs records themselves are responsible for 7-10 % of our continents temperature average.



If this is representative of what is seemingly going on worldwide then is it even warming as we are told?

The satellites tell us so but they have been adjusted to match the models, Argo told us that it was cooling but then they were adjusted to match the models as were the satellites. GHCN told us it was cooling until that was adjusted and all other global temperature records are based on GHCN data.

Just today legal action has begun in N.Z against NIWA, National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research by a skeptic group holding the government agency to account for adjusting earlier records down and thereby showing a steep current rise in temperature that just is not there in raw the raw data.

BOM itself was apparently looking at serious FOI request's and auditing before announcing the ACORN series due to similar errors and adjustments but avoided such investigation .

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A team of independent auditors, bloggers and scientists went through the the BOM “High Quality” (HQ) dataset and found significant errors, omissions and inexplicable adjustments. The team and Senator Cory Bernardi put in a Parliamentary request to get our Australian National Audit Office to reassess the BOM records. In response, the BOM, clearly afraid of getting audited, and still not providing all the data, code and explanations that were needed, decided to toss out the old so called High Quality (HQ) record, and start again. The old HQ increased the trends by 40% nationally, and 70% in the cities.

So goodbye “HQ”, hello “ACORN”. End result? Much the same.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/threat-...s-same-results/

The result as noted above is beyond the joke when it comes to any sort of serious interpretation or historical comparison when trying to note any sort of change be it warming or cooling. And the same must in turn be said for any scientific paper attempting to or which has based any serious science on the adjusted BOM records. Just the discrepancies noted in the last few pages alone between the raw data and HQ and Acorn records should be cause for an independent audit.

If the record cant even match the highs and lows consistently what good is it for scientific comparison and what use is it as a record at all?



There are so many factual errors and outright fabrications in your post but this one in particular is a howler!

You said:

"The satellites tell us so but they have been adjusted to match the models, Argo told us that it was cooling but then they were adjusted to match the models as were the satellites.""

So, according to you Roy Spencer and John Christy have fraudulently adjusted the UAH data to match the models. That is a disgrace and they should be brought before a court of law to answer for such a nefarious crime. Please supply the link to your info so that I can notify the University of Alabama where Roy Spencer works.


http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
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#1115401 - 18/07/2012 15:37 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: marakai]
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Originally Posted By: marakai

BOM itself was apparently looking at serious FOI request's and auditing before announcing the ACORN series due to similar errors and adjustments but avoided such investigation

Quote:
A team of independent auditors, bloggers and scientists went through the the BOM “High Quality” (HQ) dataset and found significant errors, omissions and inexplicable adjustments. The team and Senator Cory Bernardi put in a Parliamentary request to get our Australian National Audit Office to reassess the BOM records. In response, the BOM, clearly afraid of getting audited, and still not providing all the data, code and explanations that were needed, decided to toss out the old so called High Quality (HQ) record, and start again. The old HQ increased the trends by 40% nationally, and 70% in the cities.

So goodbye “HQ”, hello “ACORN”. End result? Much the same.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/threat-...s-same-results/

The result as noted above is beyond the joke when it comes to any sort of serious interpretation or historical comparison when trying to note any sort of change be it warming or cooling. And the same must in turn be said for any scientific paper attempting to or which has based any serious science on the adjusted BOM records. Just the discrepancies noted in the last few pages alone between the raw data and HQ and Acorn records should be cause for an independent audit.

If the record cant even match the highs and lows consistently what good is it for scientific comparison and what use is it as a record at all?

Jo Nova and her trusty crew of space cadets claim 'credit' for the BoM creating the ACORN data set, as apparently the BoM were so terrified of being audited that they threw out the old temperature data set and created a new one.

Now I want you to check two things.
1) Find the date of the initial request sent to the audit office by Jo Nova, Cory Bernadi, Ken Stewart et al.
2) On the BoM web site, you can download the Public fact sheet for the ACORN project. The bottom of page 3 gives a date when the BoM began development.

Put those two dates together, and what do you find?

The technical report available here also states that work on the project began in 2009.

The ACORN guidance document available here also states that the external review process began in November 2010.

And if you don't believe the BoM's public statement, why don't you submit your own FOI request to find out when the BoM began development of ACORN?

The take-home message here is not to believe anything that a lunatic conspiracy theorist like Jo Nova writes on a blog.

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#1115405 - 18/07/2012 16:09 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Record Heat Wave Across The USA

An unprecedented wave of heat rolled over the greater part of the United States during the first five days of July, causing hundreds of deaths, and loss to the growing crops running up into the millions. The mortality in the larger cities was greater than that of the entire Mexican revolutionary war. At least 750 deaths are to be directly attributable to the heat wave, according to the reports telegraphed from the cities affected. This total does not include all the mortality among very young children.

In Chicago, which seems to have been a special victim of the visitation, it was stated that "in the ghetto and other congested districts babies died like flies." Some 201 deaths in Chicago were attributed to the excessive heat during the five days the spell covered. But during the following cooler days persons whose strength had been broken down by the unusual length of the wave, succumbed in large numbers. There were 68 additional deaths on the two days after the great heat had abated.

The area affected consisted of the eastern and New England States and the middle western States almost as far west as the Rocky Mountains. In fact, all America felt the heat spell except the Pacific Coast States and Southern States.

In New York City the suffering was only second to that of Chicago. Twenty-six deaths occurred there one day, 36 another, and 25 on the third. Philadelphia, Cincinatti, Boston, Pittsburg, St. Louis were amongst other big cities that suffered heavily. At the apex of the wave the official temperature in Chicago reached 102 in the shade, which is within one point of the highest mark reached in that city since the observatory was opened in 1877. The official thermometer is in a cool place, and in the streets the mercury rose much higher. In the slums the afflicted dwellers were in pitiable plight. Residents of the tenement districts of Chicago slept on roofs, side walks, and alleyways. Every street stairway was occupied, with adults stripped to the limits of seemliness and all but naked babies wailing or silent from illness. On July 4, the national holiday, the country reported more than fifty drownings, which properly belonged to heat casualties, as the victims were slain while trying to escape from the torridity. Morgues in the large cities were swamped beyond their capacity, and in Chicago the coroner stated he was un- able to keep pace with the demand for inquests on unexplained deaths. Some very excited reports were sent out from afflicted cities during the height of the visitation. Rockford, Ill., announced that its cement sidewalks grew so hot that they exploded. The same day, July 8, a newspaper telegram from Chicago asserted :— "Deaths, suicides, insanity, and deeds of violence to-day followed in the wake of one of the most terrific heat blasts ex- perienced in a generation."

The disastrous wave of heat subsided on July 6, cooling rains falling throughout a considerable portion of the country. This saved the corn crop from utter annihilation. As it was, very serious damage was caused on the farms, products of all kinds suffering. The Illinois State Board of Agriculture, in a special report, says the heat spell has badly damaged all the crops in that State, some of them irreparably. Official reports show that the fruit crop of Iowa fell off 10 per cent in five days.

A Chicago theorist has advanced the idea that the heat generated by the great cities at the present day is changing their climates to a marked degree. Observations covering many years, he says, demonstrate that the climate of New York has become both warmer and drier with the growth of the city. The rainfall has dropped in recent years from an average of 45in. to 40in.



Oh sorry, silly me, forgot to mention that this was dated Thursday 24 August 1911
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#1115407 - 18/07/2012 16:13 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Do you really think building and concrete and cars and air conditioners would create heat Snafu?
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#1115410 - 18/07/2012 16:32 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Anthony Violi]
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Depends on were the thermomters are placed... wink
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#1115414 - 18/07/2012 16:35 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Oh so thats the trick is it...maybe i will brag about the city being 2 degrees above average this month, with a themometer that gets no southely wind and is averaged against a baseline where there were not many buildings in the CBD.

Yes, if i was the head of the BOM, thats what i would say every day.
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#1115457 - 18/07/2012 21:31 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__
Originally Posted By: marakai

BOM itself was apparently looking at serious FOI request's and auditing before announcing the ACORN series due to similar errors and adjustments but avoided such investigation

Quote:
A team of independent auditors, bloggers and scientists went through the the BOM “High Quality” (HQ) dataset and found significant errors, omissions and inexplicable adjustments. The team and Senator Cory Bernardi put in a Parliamentary request to get our Australian National Audit Office to reassess the BOM records. In response, the BOM, clearly afraid of getting audited, and still not providing all the data, code and explanations that were needed, decided to toss out the old so called High Quality (HQ) record, and start again. The old HQ increased the trends by 40% nationally, and 70% in the cities.

So goodbye “HQ”, hello “ACORN”. End result? Much the same.

http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/threat-...s-same-results/

The result as noted above is beyond the joke when it comes to any sort of serious interpretation or historical comparison when trying to note any sort of change be it warming or cooling. And the same must in turn be said for any scientific paper attempting to or which has based any serious science on the adjusted BOM records. Just the discrepancies noted in the last few pages alone between the raw data and HQ and Acorn records should be cause for an independent audit.

If the record cant even match the highs and lows consistently what good is it for scientific comparison and what use is it as a record at all?

Jo Nova and her trusty crew of space cadets claim 'credit' for the BoM creating the ACORN data set, as apparently the BoM were so terrified of being audited that they threw out the old temperature data set and created a new one.

Now I want you to check two things.
1) Find the date of the initial request sent to the audit office by Jo Nova, Cory Bernadi, Ken Stewart et al.
2) On the BoM web site, you can download the Public fact sheet for the ACORN project. The bottom of page 3 gives a date when the BoM began development.

Put those two dates together, and what do you find?

The technical report available here also states that work on the project began in 2009.

The ACORN guidance document available here also states that the external review process began in November 2010.

And if you don't believe the BoM's public statement, why don't you submit your own FOI request to find out when the BoM began development of ACORN?

The take-home message here is not to believe anything that a lunatic conspiracy theorist like Jo Nova writes on a blog.


Oh pluheeze give us a break PG, people have been noting BOMS problem for a lot longer than they are willing to admit, just a cursory glance following back links on either Jonova or Jen Marohasy will show instances at least a good two years before the instigation of ACORN of people highlighting problems with the temperature records.

Here is at least one December 1st, 2007 by Warwick Hughes

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=144



I note you don't mention the actual issues at all just the perception that only space cadets question the record.

Go do some homework before spouting off and seeming to know what you are on about.

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#1115497 - 19/07/2012 09:39 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: marakai]
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Here are some facts for you marakai.

Jo Nova wrote
Originally Posted By: Jo Nova

A team of independent auditors, bloggers and scientists went through the the BOM “High Quality” (HQ) dataset and found significant errors, omissions and inexplicable adjustments. The team and Senator Cory Bernardi put in a Parliamentary request to get our Australian National Audit Office to reassess the BOM records. In response, the BOM, clearly afraid of getting audited, and still not providing all the data, code and explanations that were needed, decided to toss out the old so called High Quality (HQ) record, and start again. The old HQ increased the trends by 40% nationally, and 70% in the cities.

So goodbye “HQ”, hello “ACORN”. End result? Much the same.

That meant the ANAO could avoid an audit, since the BOM had changed data-sets, the point of auditing the old set was moot.

Originally Posted By: ACORN-SAT Fact Sheet

The Bureau began developing the ACORN-SAT dataset in 2009. Rather than simply updating existing homogenised datasets, ACORN-SAT involved a complete re-analysis of the Australian temperature record.

Originally Posted By: Blair Trewin, CAWCR Technical Report 49

A search of hard-copy station files, concentrating on those ACORN-SAT sites that were not included in the Torok and Nicholls or Della-Marta et al. data sets. As part of this effort, visits were made during 2009 to all of the Bureau of Meteorology’s Regional Offices (and in some cases to regional offices of the National Archives of Australia), to view their station files and obtain relevant information.

Originally Posted By: ACORN-SAT Guidance Document

Recognising the community interest in the integrity of the ACORN-SAT data-set, the Bureau Executive, in November 2010, directed that an Independent Peer Review of the data-set and related measurement, curation and analysis methods be undertaken.

Jo Nova's audit request is dated 20th December 2010, one month after the BoM began an internal review of the ACORN data.

You have to admire the breathtaking narcissm of a two-bit blogger who thinks that her collection of wingnuts had the BoM 'running scared'.

Mind you, when her server shut down a few weeks ago apparently all the space cadets on 'wattsupwiththat' claimed that the Australian Government was shutting down her servers, which was proof that Jo Nova was 'onto something'. laugh

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#1115498 - 19/07/2012 09:40 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: marakai]
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Originally Posted By: marakai

I note you don't mention the actual issues at all just the perception that only space cadets question the record.

The only 'issues' are created by amateur Excel warriors and lunatic conspiracy theorists who know nothing about geospatial science.

They don't understand what they are attempting to criticise. All they can do is throw their hands in the air and claim 'it's all a conspiracy'.

Here is a perfect example


Edited by __PG__ (19/07/2012 09:44)

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#1115503 - 19/07/2012 10:15 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Quote:
They don't understand what they are attempting to criticise.


I think it's good science to question something you don't understand... Like why a temeperature measured 80 years ago, is now adjusted to be 2 degrees cooler. If questioning bad science is "criticism" well ... Tough Cookies.
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#1115504 - 19/07/2012 10:39 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Record Heat Wave Pushes U.S. Belief in Climate Change to 70%

A record heat wave, drought and catastrophic wildfires are accomplishing what climate scientists could not: convincing a wide swath of Americans that global temperatures are rising.

In the four months since March there has been a jump in U.S. citizens’ belief that climate change is taking place, especially among independent voters and those in southern states such as Texas, which is now in its second year of record drought, according to nationwide polls by the University of Texas.

In a poll taken July 12-16, 70 percent of respondents said they think the climate is changing, compared with 65 percent in a similar poll in March. Those saying it’s not taking place fell to 15 percent from 22 percent, according to data set to be released this week by the UT Energy Poll.

Following a winter of record snowfall in 2010, the public’s acceptance of climate change fell to a low of 52 percent, according to the National Survey of American Public Opinion on Climate Change, which was published by the Brookings Institution in Washington. After this year’s mild winter, support jumped to 65 percent, the same as that found by the UT Energy Poll in March.

“There has been a rebound in belief” in global warming, Barry Rabe, a University of Michigan professor who published the research on the Brookings study. “All respondents are quite likely to use observations of weather as a big part of their explanation.”

Temperatures Rising

The average temperature for the U.S. during June was 71.2 degrees Fahrenheit (21.7 Celsius), which is 2 degrees higher than the average for the 20th century, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. The June temperatures made the preceding 12 months the warmest since record-keeping began in 1895, the government agency said. The U.S. is also experiencing its worst drought since 1956, with 55 percent of the contiguous states in moderate to severe drought.

Global temperatures reached a record in 2010, with data showing surface temperatures increased at a rate of about 0.31 degrees Fahrenheit since 1980, according to a NOAA report released this month. Those temperatures fell last year because of the effect of La Nina, a weather pattern associated with cooler waters in the equatorial Pacific. Still, it was one of the 15 warmest years on record, the annual State of the Climate report said.

‘No Debate’

While the survey didn’t ask about the causes of climate change, Sheril Kirshenbaum, the poll director, said “there is no debate” that man-made carbon emissions are warming the planet. “We need to get beyond arguing if it’s occurring and start developing policies to adapt to extreme weather events and rising sea levels,” she said in an e-mail.

Still, the American public’s views on the issue are linked to recent trends in the weather, Rabe said.

The jump in public opinion over the past four months took place in southern states, including drought-ravaged Texas, where it climbed 13 percentage points to 70 percent this month, according to the poll. Other areas of the country showed modest variations in levels of support.

The latest University of Texas poll also found a sharp divide between political parties, with 87 percent of Democrats saying climate change is taking place compared with 53 percent of Republicans. In March 45 percent of Republican respondents said climate change is happening.

Among independent voters, those saying temperatures are rising jumped to 72 percent in July from 60 percent in March.

Partisan affiliation is the best predictor of someone’s belief in climate change, Rabe said.


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#1115510 - 19/07/2012 10:55 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Quote:
They don't understand what they are attempting to criticise.


I think it's good science to question something you don't understand... Like why a temeperature measured 80 years ago, is now adjusted to be 2 degrees cooler. If questioning bad science is "criticism" well ... Tough Cookies.

The answer is always in the metadata.

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#1115511 - 19/07/2012 10:56 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Norfolk police close UEA email leak investigation
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While no criminal proceedings will be instigated, the investigation has concluded that the data breach was the result of a ‘sophisticated and carefully orchestrated attack on the CRU’s data files, carried out remotely via the internet’.

Senior Investigating Officer, Detective Superintendant Julian Gregory, said: “Despite detailed and comprehensive enquiries, supported by experts in this field, the complex nature of this investigation means that we do not have a realistic prospect of identifying the offender or offenders and launching criminal proceedings within the time constraints imposed by law.

“The international dimension of investigating the World Wide Web especially has proved extremely challenging.

“However, as a result of our enquiries, we can say that the data breach was the result of a sophisticated and carefully orchestrated attack on the CRU’s data files, carried out remotely via the internet. The offenders used methods common in unlawful internet activity to obstruct enquiries.

“There is no evidence to suggest that anyone working at or associated with the University of East Anglia was involved in the crime.”

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#1115514 - 19/07/2012 11:11 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__
Originally Posted By: Arnost
Quote:
They don't understand what they are attempting to criticise.


I think it's good science to question something you don't understand... Like why a temeperature measured 80 years ago, is now adjusted to be 2 degrees cooler. If questioning bad science is "criticism" well ... Tough Cookies.

The answer is always in the metadata.


It must be so comforting to go through life knowing everything...

[And another difference between Post Modernists and Classical Scientists, the Post Modernist Scientizt will almost never admit to their agenda / meme or icon being wrong (i.e. the status quo / consnensus cannot be challenged), whilst the Classical Scientist welcomes criticism and competition (i.e. as a path to improvement and progress)]
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#1115568 - 19/07/2012 16:20 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Have you ever seen the metadata Arnost? Have Ken Ring and the rest of Jo Nova's merry mand of morons every discussed the metadata?

Adjusting raw temperature data is not arbitrary. There are valid reasons (based on science) for any adjustments..whether they are warming or cooling.

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#1115573 - 19/07/2012 16:42 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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And which blog do you frequent _PG_? How about the 'Academy of Empty Heads' over here ..... crazy
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#1115581 - 19/07/2012 17:16 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Quote:
Have you ever seen the metadata Arnost?


You can see it too! Really...

http://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/cdio/metadata/pdf/siteinfo/IDCJMD0040.023090.SiteInfo.pdf
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#1115607 - 19/07/2012 20:26 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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REUTERS;

UPDATE 1-UN-backed carbon offsets hit new low

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The front-year certified emissions reductions (CERs) hit a record low of 2.92 euros (US$3.57) [AUD $3.47 ] in early trading, down nearly 11 percent from Tuesday's close.

It was trading at 3 euros, or down 8.5 percent, at 0724 GMT. [ Wed 18th ]

In the EU carbon market, the benchmark emissions allowance was trading down 6.3 percent at 7.20 euros,[ AUD$8.55 ] after hitting a morning low of 6.80 euros.[ AUD$8.08 ]

CER prices have lost around 70 percent of their value over the past 12 months, beset mainly by the supply glut and flagging demand due to a slowing European economy.

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#1115610 - 19/07/2012 20:42 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Arnost
Quote:
Have you ever seen the metadata Arnost?


You can see it too! Really...

http://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/cdio/metadata/pdf/siteinfo/IDCJMD0040.023090.SiteInfo.pdf


Sorry, meant to post up this one:
http://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/cdio/metadata/pdf/siteinfo/IDCJMD0040.023000.SiteInfo.pdf

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