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#1003398 - 29/07/2011 23:37 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
ROM Offline
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You might like to roll through this one SBT, Probably would be able to get a copy if you went to the Probus Club of Wahroonga.

A cool look at global warming

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#1003454 - 30/07/2011 11:31 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
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ROM that is something everybody should read as it explains everything in laymans terms.

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#1003457 - 30/07/2011 11:35 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: petethemoskeet]
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So should the media. Fat chance of that ever happening though.

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#1003472 - 30/07/2011 13:27 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Keith]
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Thankypou ROM that has made my day. Much of what I spoke about last night was along most of the lines he has presented.
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#1003478 - 30/07/2011 14:41 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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That Powerpoint presentation is full of errors and misinformation. I especially liked one of the temperature graphs that shows 2010 as being an El Nino. I thought it was a La Nina? Anyway, for the real science on how we are warming up, look at this official web site for the latest updates:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Also, according to the WMO, the ten warmest years on record are (in order): 2005, 2010, 1998, 2003, 2002, 2006, 2009, 2007, 2004, 2001. Records began in 1861. This pattern cannot be attributed to chance.


Edited by Stevo59 (30/07/2011 14:42)
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#1003482 - 30/07/2011 15:58 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Stevo59]
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The last El Nino did'nt finish until late April 2010 so i can't see any misinterpretation.

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#1003484 - 30/07/2011 15:59 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Stevo59]
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I agree Stevo. But was there any decades prior to 1861 that were warmer than the last 13 years?
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#1003505 - 30/07/2011 18:31 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Raindammit]
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Don't forget the accuracy of the records also!!!!! I don't trust any government agency EMPLOYED to give results that give the bastards the opportunity to tax us extra.

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#1003506 - 30/07/2011 18:44 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Simmosturf]
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Acclaimed Polar Bear Researcher Suspended Over ‘Integrity Issues’

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/189317/2...onnett-peer.htm

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#1003508 - 30/07/2011 18:45 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
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Originally Posted By: ROM
The Great Wheel of the global warming climate debate is starting to turn just a little faster.

APNews Break; Arctic scientist under investigation
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JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) -- A federal wildlife biologist whose observation in 2004 of presumably drowned polar bears in the Arctic helped to galvanize the global warming movement has been placed on administrative leave and is being investigated for scientific misconduct, possibly over the veracity of that article.
&
Monnett, who has coordinated much of the agency's research on Arctic wildlife and ecology, has duties that include managing about $50 million worth of studies, according to the complaint, a copy of which was provided to The Associated Pres



Those pesky polar bears just won't go away
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#1003515 - 30/07/2011 19:18 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Raindammit]
ROM Offline
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The global temperatures have been rising at about .7 of a degree per century as the world comes out of the Little Ice Age which finally finished around 1850.
2010 according to GISS which due to some "adjustments" by Hansen has a steadily widening gap in temperatures compared to the other indexes, was by a statistically insignificant amount, claimed by Hansen / GISS to be the hottest year on record.
1998 was previously claimed as the previous hottest year on record.

The last decade is claimed to be the hottest decade on record but as there has been no statistically significant increases in global temperatures since 1998, the global temperatures are now regarded as having ceased rising and leveled out and there are now indications in both surface and satellite temperature data and in losses now appearing in the Ocean Heat content that global temperatures are beginning to fall.

Prior to about the mid 1990's, the mid 1930's were regarded as the hottest years recorded but to maintain the global warming agenda it was necessary for GISS and CRU to reduce the 1930's global temps so as to make it appear that the 2000's were the hottest years.
This deliberate alteration and reduction of past historical recorded temperatures of the 1930's has been quite well documented.

From the C3 Headlines graphs, The alterations to past and well established global temperatures made by Hansen / GISS over a couple of decades.
There are a few blink comparators at the C3 graph site which are excellent visual examples of the deliberate down grading of past temperatures by GISS to ensure the present global temperatures appear to be record high temperatures.



The following graphs are from [ Prof. ] Ole Humlun of Norway, excellent site on all things climate ; Climate4you







The longest running reliable temperature series in the world below


11,000 years of climate temperatures from the Greenland ice cores.

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#1003538 - 30/07/2011 21:22 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Stevo59]
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Originally Posted By: Stevo59
That Powerpoint presentation is full of errors and misinformation. I especially liked one of the temperature graphs that shows 2010 as being an El Nino. I thought it was a La Nina? Anyway, for the real science on how we are warming up, look at this official web site for the latest updates:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Also, according to the WMO, the ten warmest years on record are (in order): 2005, 2010, 1998, 2003, 2002, 2006, 2009, 2007, 2004, 2001. Records began in 1861. This pattern cannot be attributed to chance.


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#1003586 - 31/07/2011 10:47 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: S .O.]
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British Communist Party leader David Cameron supports Gillard's carbon tax link

Quote:

In a letter obtained by The Sunday Age, Mr Cameron says Ms Gillard's policy ''will add momentum to those, in both the developed and developing world, who are serious about dealing with this urgent threat''.

''I was delighted to hear of the ambitious package of climate change policy measures you announced on 10 July and wanted to congratulate you on taking this bold step,'' he writes.


Yes, it must be a global socialist conspiracy when the Tory Prime Minister of Britain is in on the act as well.

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#1003599 - 31/07/2011 12:54 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
ROM Offline
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Thanks for the laugh PG.
Only those who claim that global warming will lead to such high global temperatures that all the Arctic ice and some Antarctic ice will melt and there will be millions of climate refugees from rising sea levels [ was forecast to happen sometime before 2010 ??? ]
Only those same global warming believers who then go on to claim that global warming is also responsible for all the extreme cold and snow and ice of the last couple of northern winters.
Only those global warmers who believe both the above could create a dichotomy that says a British conservative Tory Prime minister is also a communist.
I assume that was not mean't to be a joke but was heavy sarcasm as your propensity towards humour has not been particularly noticeable in the past.

The reality is that Cameron also suggested that unless a number of other countries fell into line with the UK Climate Act that is legislated to reduce CO2 levels to 80% lower than those of 1990 by 2050, which takes the poms back to about the stone age economy, then the UK would look at scrapping all 227 environmental protection acts by 2015, including the Climate Change Act.

The Guardian; Threat to Climate Change Act is final nail in coalition's green credentials
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It is nearly five years to the day since David Cameron posed for his photo opportunity with the huskies at the Arctic Research Station at Ny Alesund in Norway. He told us then to "vote blue, go green". That the government is open to scrapping all 227 of the UK's environmental protections shows just how far his green mask has slipped.

Among the safeguards under threat as part of the 'red tape challenge' is the Climate Change Act, the first of its kind in the world. Introduced by Labour, it places a duty on the secretary of state to ensure that the net UK carbon account for greenhouse gases for the year 2050 is at least 80% lower than in 1990.


[ UK ] Financial Times; Cameron falls short of his green promise

The writer is founder and chairman of Solarcentury, and a writer on energy issues.[ another rent seeker ]
Quote:
The promised green investment bank won’t really be a bank at all, at least in this term of government; it will be unable to lend until 2015. A floor price for carbon has been set much too low to stimulate growth of green technologies. And promising marine energy industries, tailored to British strengths in the North Sea, have waited in vain for market-enabling policies.

Elsewhere, the target for all new homes to be zero-carbon by 2016 has been withdrawn. Innovative developments such as the renewable heat initiative, and plans for smart-meter deployment, have been all too rare. A “green deal” for energy efficiency looks to be toothless. And when the renewable feed-in tariff (which coalition ministers had fought so hard for in opposition) was starting to build domestic British renewable microgeneration markets, the government ambushed the embryonic industry with a premature review of projects above a mere 50 kilowatts.

The result was made clear in a review of 77 of the coalition’s green promises and aspirations, by the former chairman of the (disbanded) Commission on Sustainable Development. It showed little or no progress on three-quarters of them. It is not surprising, therefore, that investment in renewables fell by a stunning 70 per cent in 2010, and our existing national climate targets are now in jeopardy. Indeed, according to Cambridge Econometrics, the UK will fall short of legally-binding targets set in the 2008 Climate Change Act, and in the European Union. If that is the case, what is the point of more ambitious targets?


Now add; America; no climate legislation. Next President, possibly Republican will decapitate the EPA.
China & India ; nothing on the climate change
Japan; No further climate deals after Kyoto runs out end of 2012
Canada; Climate action proposing Liberals were slaughtered in their very recent election a few weeks ago. No climate legislation.
Spain, Italy, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway. France, UK and etc; Massive, ongoing and continuing reductions in the gross sized subsidies going to Solar and Wind generators. Some will go bankrupt as a result.
Carbon C&T [ ETS ] in Europe now being quietly acknowledged as failing to reduce emissions and has resulted in the creation of immense fraud through the trading of hot air.
Brazil ; new climate change legislation promulgated due to their immense capabilities to produce large amounts of exportable bio fuels.

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#1003601 - 31/07/2011 13:11 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
Keith Offline
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Cameron is only coming out with such support because he wants to curry the favour of the British electorate. Abbott is the same. They both keep up the parroted tiresome mantras of the Green Left.

There must be 'reds under the bed' after all if Cameron is a socialist. Then anyone could be called a socialist if they happen to have a caring disposition to those less well off, no matter who they vote for. It's a question of which political philosophy the Greens really support. They say they want social justice but want to achieve it with all the finesse of a gang of money-hungry cut-throats. That is why socialism and genuine concern for others are poles apart.

Trust The Age to want to make political capital out of it all. A straw man if ever there was one. I don't think Britain has a carbon tax anyway, does it? If it does, it's nothing like what's proposed by those ratbags in Canberra.

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#1003625 - 31/07/2011 18:02 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__
British Communist Party leader David Cameron supports Gillard's carbon tax link

Quote:

In a letter obtained by The Sunday Age, Mr Cameron says Ms Gillard's policy ''will add momentum to those, in both the developed and developing world, who are serious about dealing with this urgent threat''.

''I was delighted to hear of the ambitious package of climate change policy measures you announced on 10 July and wanted to congratulate you on taking this bold step,'' he writes.


Yes, it must be a global socialist conspiracy when the Tory Prime Minister of Britain is in on the act as well.



Maybe he simply read the science? My 16 year old can understand it, so why not a Tory MP? I can't believe the conspiracy theory stuff being posted here. What's next extra-terrestrials have been infiltrating Earth for millennia and we are part of a giant experiment? I have relatives in the UK and believe me Cameron is very conservative. He would not have written such a letter to left-wing Gillard unless he knew what he was talking about. This is a big setback for Abbott so we might see Turnbull move into play very soon. Better still, he may even cross the floor in parliament as liberals often do.
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#1003627 - 31/07/2011 18:09 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Raindammit]
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Originally Posted By: Raindammit
I agree Stevo. But was there any decades prior to 1861 that were warmer than the last 13 years?


RD, we do not have thermometer records before 1861 as far as I know. We only have proxy data from ice cores, tree rings, etc. So, if we look at the historical record we have all the warmest years clustering in the last 13 years. Keep in mind that 1998 was an exceptional El Nino which produced the hottest year of the 20th Century, but the 21st Century has had so many warm years that this cannot be explained by chance alone. Interestingly, the sun has been quite mellow over the past 10 years of so.
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#1003629 - 31/07/2011 18:24 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Stevo59]
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Originally Posted By: Stevo59
Originally Posted By: __PG__
British Communist Party leader David Cameron supports Gillard's carbon tax link

Quote:

In a letter obtained by The Sunday Age, Mr Cameron says Ms Gillard's policy ''will add momentum to those, in both the developed and developing world, who are serious about dealing with this urgent threat''.

''I was delighted to hear of the ambitious package of climate change policy measures you announced on 10 July and wanted to congratulate you on taking this bold step,'' he writes.


Yes, it must be a global socialist conspiracy when the Tory Prime Minister of Britain is in on the act as well.



Maybe he simply read the science? My 16 year old can understand it, so why not a Tory MP? I can't believe the conspiracy theory stuff being posted here. What's next extra-terrestrials have been infiltrating Earth for millennia and we are part of a giant experiment? I have relatives in the UK and believe me Cameron is very conservative. He would not have written such a letter to left-wing Gillard unless he knew what he was talking about. This is a big setback for Abbott so we might see Turnbull move into play very soon. Better still, he may even cross the floor in parliament as liberals often do.


Having another opinion is not a conspiracy theory
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#1003635 - 31/07/2011 18:55 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Loopy Radar]
Keith Offline
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Not only is another opinion not a conspiracy theory, but if we are going to use that term, then people in socialist glass castles shouldn't throw stones. Copenhagen openly discussed a 'world government' with Western nations being forced to redistribute their wealth to poorer nations (how would that be possible with the US and a lot of European economies in debt..money must grow on trees over there). Comrade Gillard is redistributing our taxes through contributions to the UN climate fund (or whatever it is)...and apparently that's legally binding. The UN is morally and ethically corrupt, it is stacked with left wing delegates and there is a concerted effort by communist and Islamic nations to form a voting bloc there, with the particular intention of getting rid of Israel one way or another. This latter action is scheduled for September but I won't elaborate further here.

Conspiracy is alive and well in the world. But when conservative views are expressed the definitions all change.

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#1003638 - 31/07/2011 19:03 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Keith]
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And the sky is going to fall in,Comrade Keith.

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