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#1003640 - 31/07/2011 19:05 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Stevo59]
ROM Offline
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The Central England Temperatures [ CET ] are actual measured temperatures that go back to 1659. the graph of these temperatures are included in my post above.

They are the longest continuous record of temperatures on earth.
The CET record was a monthly temperature record until 1722 when it became a daily record.
From 1659 to 1722 the accuracy is accepted as to being within one or one half degree
The temperatures record after 1722 is accepted as being accurate to 0.1 C

The CET record is accepted everywhere in climate research as being accurate, reliable and trustworthy.

From WUWT;



From; Climate4you > sun

You will have to go to the Climate4you site to click on those little green squares to get a whole swag of climate associated history articles associated with that particular square's period in history. It is fascinating reading if you like a little history now and then and very educational.
And there is much of of great interest both in climate and how it relates to history and it's influences on human history at Oslo's Professor Ole Hunlum's Climate4you site.
In the graph below you can see the intensity of the last few solar cycles.



I put this one in as it shows a very direct link between the solar activity and the intensity of the high energy cosmic rays
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Variation of cosmic ray intensity and monthly sunspot activity since 1958 according to the Germany Cosmic Ray Monitor in Kiel (GCRM) and NOAA's National Geophysical Data Center (NGDC), respectively. High sunspot activity correlates with low cosmic ray intensity, and vice versa. Last month incorporated: August 2009 (GCRM) and October 2009 (NGDC). Last diagram update: 6 November 2009.

This ties in directly with Svensmark's theory of global cloud cover due to cosmic rays effects on the atmosphere and the resulting changes in global temperatures. This theory is currently under test at CERN's LHC in a specially built cloud chamber.



Further excellent and easy to understand reading is David Archibald's ;Solar Cycle 24: Implications for the United States




Edited by ROM (31/07/2011 19:08)

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#1003645 - 31/07/2011 20:11 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Loopy Radar]
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Originally Posted By: Loopy Radar
Originally Posted By: Stevo59
Originally Posted By: __PG__
British Communist Party leader David Cameron supports Gillard's carbon tax link

Quote:

In a letter obtained by The Sunday Age, Mr Cameron says Ms Gillard's policy ''will add momentum to those, in both the developed and developing world, who are serious about dealing with this urgent threat''.

''I was delighted to hear of the ambitious package of climate change policy measures you announced on 10 July and wanted to congratulate you on taking this bold step,'' he writes.


Yes, it must be a global socialist conspiracy when the Tory Prime Minister of Britain is in on the act as well.



Maybe he simply read the science? My 16 year old can understand it, so why not a Tory MP? I can't believe the conspiracy theory stuff being posted here. What's next extra-terrestrials have been infiltrating Earth for millennia and we are part of a giant experiment? I have relatives in the UK and believe me Cameron is very conservative. He would not have written such a letter to left-wing Gillard unless he knew what he was talking about. This is a big setback for Abbott so we might see Turnbull move into play very soon. Better still, he may even cross the floor in parliament as liberals often do.


Having another opinion is not a conspiracy theory


Freedom of speech is fine and to be commended, but David Cameron would not know a socialist if he fell over one in the street. A priviliged Eton and Oxford education would have seen to that. He is listening to his science and economic advisers, unlike the Mad Monk, our future PM.
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#1003646 - 31/07/2011 20:13 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__
British Communist Party leader David Cameron supports Gillard's carbon tax link

Quote:

In a letter obtained by The Sunday Age, Mr Cameron says Ms Gillard's policy ''will add momentum to those, in both the developed and developing world, who are serious about dealing with this urgent threat''.

''I was delighted to hear of the ambitious package of climate change policy measures you announced on 10 July and wanted to congratulate you on taking this bold step,'' he writes.


Yes, it must be a global socialist conspiracy when the Tory Prime Minister of Britain is in on the act as well.



What can you say lol. Communist? I'd say ultra conservative. You do not know British politics my friend.
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#1003651 - 31/07/2011 20:42 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
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Originally Posted By: ROM
You might like to roll through this one SBT, Probably would be able to get a copy if you went to the Probus Club of Wahroonga.

A cool look at global warming


ROM - I went through the whole presentation and it agrees with everthing I've found during my attempts to form an understanding from raw historical temperature data (this is still very difficult).
However the presentation is wrong and grossly underestimates the extent of Australian electricity price rises for householders under the proposed new carbon tax in my opinion (as a person working in the brown coal generating industry).

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#1003656 - 31/07/2011 21:04 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Petros]
ROM Offline
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Shouldn't be a problem with the high electricity prices, Petros.
We just follow the example of a former president of the Czech Greenpeace which she expanded on in an interview heard by thousands.

She explained that " I don't need any electricity in my house as I use a candle while I am watching television"

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#1003695 - 01/08/2011 09:14 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
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The BBC Program Science Under Attack, featuring Nobel Prize Winning Scientist Paul Nurse, will air on will be on SBS in about 10 days. Nurse interviews key science denialists including Daily Telegraph blogger James Delingpole. He also talks to an American with Aids who is not convinced that his disease is caused by the HIV virus. So, instead of receiving clinically supported anti-retroviral treatments, he treats himself with yoghurts and his own nutritional programme.

He also asked Delingpole if a dear relative was suffering from a fatal disease, would he opt for the "consensus" treatment recommended by doctors, or advice to drink more orange juice offered by a fringe maverick quack? In terms of the science of climate change, that fringe maverick is analogous, of course, to Delingpole's own position.

Delingpole apparently found the line of questioning too much to handle and was purportedly lost for words. He at one point, according to Nurse, asked for the film crew to stop filming. Delingpole told the Guardian he denied asking the crew to stop filming. "The interview went on for about three hours – there were various points where I said 'I've had enough, I want a tea break.' There was no point where I felt that the interview had to be stopped because I was in any way uncomfortable with what Nurse was saying." Asked if he had called the BBC to say he had been "intellectually raped" afterwards, he said: "I don't think I would have said that, because he is incapable of intellectually raping me."

Delingpole has called he referred to the people who run London zoo as having "eco-fascist leanings" for daring to suggest that climate change might be connected with the extinction of corals. Like other science denialists, Delingpole also has a rifle fetish, and in a blog entitled There just aren't enough bullets

Originally Posted By: James Delingpole

...the Warmist faith so fervently held and promulgated by the Met Office is exactly the same faith so passionately, unswervingly followed by David Cameron, Chris Huhne, Greg Barker, the Coalition's energy spokesman in the Lords Lord Marland, and all but five members of the last parliament. And also by the BBC, the Prince of Wales, almost every national newspaper, the European Union, the Royal Society, the New York Times, CNBC, the Obama administration, the Australian and New Zealand governments, your children's schools, our major universities, our minor universities, the University of East Anglia, your local council… Truly there just aren't enough bullets!


Why does rifle fetish correlate with science denial?

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#1003696 - 01/08/2011 09:18 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
Keith Offline
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For the same reason that certain so-called climate luminaries want to criminally prosecute skeptics.

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#1003716 - 01/08/2011 10:53 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Keith]
ROM Offline
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I won't enlarge on my attitude towards James Hansen of NASA's GISS, one of the most passionate believers in CAGW who has continually used his position as a senior scientist in NASA to push his personal political beliefs on CAGW but in this following quote, in my opinion, Hansen is laying out the actual realities as they exist in the real world.
Quote:
Can renewable energies provide all of society’s energy needs in the foreseeable future? It is conceivable in a few places, such as New Zealand and Norway. But suggesting that renewables will let us phase rapidly off fossil fuels in the United States, China, India, or the world as a whole is almost the equivalent of believing in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.

Because they realize that renewable energies are grossly inadequate for our energy needs now and in the foreseeable future and they have no real plan. They pay homage to the Easter Bunny fantasy, because it is the easy thing to do in politics.

Many well-meaning people proceed under the illusion that ‘soft’ renewable energies will replace fossil fuels if the government tries harder and provides more subsidies. Meanwhile, governments speak greenwash while allowing pursuit of fossil fuels with increasingly destructive technologies (hydrofracking, mountaintop removal, longwall mining, drilling in the deepest ocean, the Arctic and other pristine environments) and development of unconventional fossil fuels.

It will be a tragedy if environmentalists allow the illusion of ‘soft’ energies to postpone demand for real solution of the energy, climate and national security problems. Solar power is just a small part of the solution. Subsidies yielding even its present tiny contribution may be unsustainable.

The main conclusion is to keep an open mind. China and India will increase nuclear power use; they must if they are to phase out coal over the next few decades. It behooves us to be objective.

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#1003724 - 01/08/2011 12:04 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Registered: 27/12/2007
Posts: 4553
Loc: Brisbane
Originally Posted By: __PG__
The BBC Program Science Under Attack, featuring Nobel Prize Winning Scientist Paul Nurse, will air on will be on SBS in about 10 days. Nurse interviews key science denialists including Daily Telegraph blogger James Delingpole. He also talks to an American with Aids who is not convinced that his disease is caused by the HIV virus. So, instead of receiving clinically supported anti-retroviral treatments, he treats himself with yoghurts and his own nutritional programme.

He also asked Delingpole if a dear relative was suffering from a fatal disease, would he opt for the "consensus" treatment recommended by doctors, or advice to drink more orange juice offered by a fringe maverick quack? In terms of the science of climate change, that fringe maverick is analogous, of course, to Delingpole's own position.

Delingpole apparently found the line of questioning too much to handle and was purportedly lost for words. He at one point, according to Nurse, asked for the film crew to stop filming. Delingpole told the Guardian he denied asking the crew to stop filming. "The interview went on for about three hours – there were various points where I said 'I've had enough, I want a tea break.' There was no point where I felt that the interview had to be stopped because I was in any way uncomfortable with what Nurse was saying." Asked if he had called the BBC to say he had been "intellectually raped" afterwards, he said: "I don't think I would have said that, because he is incapable of intellectually raping me."

Delingpole has called he referred to the people who run London zoo as having "eco-fascist leanings" for daring to suggest that climate change might be connected with the extinction of corals. Like other science denialists, Delingpole also has a rifle fetish, and in a blog entitled There just aren't enough bullets

Originally Posted By: James Delingpole

...the Warmist faith so fervently held and promulgated by the Met Office is exactly the same faith so passionately, unswervingly followed by David Cameron, Chris Huhne, Greg Barker, the Coalition's energy spokesman in the Lords Lord Marland, and all but five members of the last parliament. And also by the BBC, the Prince of Wales, almost every national newspaper, the European Union, the Royal Society, the New York Times, CNBC, the Obama administration, the Australian and New Zealand governments, your children's schools, our major universities, our minor universities, the University of East Anglia, your local council… Truly there just aren't enough bullets!


Why does rifle fetish correlate with science denial?


It was a BS question PG. Comparing a person diagnosed with a fatal disease to the current state of understanding in climate science is ludicrous.

The type of absurd logic we've all come to accept from those pushing the CAGW bandwagon and why they today have so little credibility with such a large portion of the population.

Mind you I don't blame BBC. With so much of the BBC pension trust invested in green energy, of course they will do what ever they can do protect that investment.
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#1003726 - 01/08/2011 12:19 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Locke]
Keith Offline
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Registered: 16/12/2001
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Loc: Kings Langley, NSW
Originally Posted By: Locke

It was a BS question PG. Comparing a person diagnosed with a fatal disease to the current state of understanding in climate science is ludicrous.

The type of absurd logic we've all come to accept from those pushing the CAGW bandwagon and why they today have so little credibility with such a large portion of the population.


On that basis:

'Apes have hairy chests.
Aristotle had a hairy chest.
Therefore, Aristotle was an ape.'

He probably ate straw men, too.

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#1003857 - 02/08/2011 11:45 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Keith]
__PG__ Offline
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I see you all conveniently glossed over the section where Delingpole promotes mass executions for members of the 'warmist faith'.

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#1003860 - 02/08/2011 12:12 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Keith]
Loopy Radar Offline
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Registered: 05/10/2010
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Originally Posted By: Keith
Originally Posted By: Locke

It was a BS question PG. Comparing a person diagnosed with a fatal disease to the current state of understanding in climate science is ludicrous.

The type of absurd logic we've all come to accept from those pushing the CAGW bandwagon and why they today have so little credibility with such a large portion of the population.


On that basis:

'Apes have hairy chests.
Aristotle had a hairy chest.
Therefore, Aristotle was an ape.'

He probably ate straw men, too.


About as absurd as this. But this is tucked away, out of view and out of mind. There are heaps of truly absurd things going on, like right out of 1984. But the mainstream news won't be there covering it.
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#1003890 - 02/08/2011 17:16 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Loopy Radar]
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http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sydneys-warmth-continues/18228

Looks like Sydney could break some warm records.

Its been amazing in Blackheath, 18C today! That is unheard of really. The climate is so different these days. We certainly haven't had any real effect from the solar minimum this winter. Its been around average so far but this warmth presently is impressive or depressing, depending on your view.
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#1003894 - 02/08/2011 17:37 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Blizzard]
Keith Offline
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Loc: Kings Langley, NSW
August 1995: I had a maximum of 35°...and no rain.

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#1003897 - 02/08/2011 18:04 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Blizzard]
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Originally Posted By: Blizzard
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sydneys-warmth-continues/18228

Looks like Sydney could break some warm records.

Its been amazing in Blackheath, 18C today! That is unheard of really. The climate is so different these days. We certainly haven't had any real effect from the solar minimum this winter. Its been around average so far but this warmth presently is impressive or depressing, depending on your view.


You have to be joking right? 4 weeks till spring and Sydney is on the edge of being in a sub-tropical climate zone. I suppose your wondering why you have had less frosts this year too, we've had some rippers. Now that's depressing. Bring on the warmth!!!


Edited by Simmosturf (02/08/2011 18:06)

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#1003898 - 02/08/2011 18:08 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Simmosturf]
Keith Offline
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Speaking of frosts, 1 in every 2 days in July saw a morning frost here.

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#1003904 - 02/08/2011 18:32 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Keith]
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Oh yeah, plenty of frosts around, pretty normal in benign periods with few strong fronts. We've had plenty of frosts as well. Just a lack of cold fronts penetrating beyond the ski fields. I don't have a strong view on why the climate is warming so much, its just fascinating to watch it change. Looks like we could get 18C for three or more days in a row, that is truly amazing for here. The AGW folk will be crowing about that and the Sydney temps.
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#1003905 - 02/08/2011 18:35 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Blizzard]
Cheers Offline
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Originally Posted By: Blizzard
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/sydneys-warmth-continues/18228

Looks like Sydney could break some warm records.

Its been amazing in Blackheath, 18C today! That is unheard of really. The climate is so different these days. We certainly haven't had any real effect from the solar minimum this winter. Its been around average so far but this warmth presently is impressive or depressing, depending on your view.


Watch out Blizz!

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#1003907 - 02/08/2011 18:52 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Cheers]
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Registered: 13/08/2003
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I just love the tv news and how they report the facts when it comes to weather.Dramatizing
everything does'nt matter.Melbourne got to 20C today and CH7 news says it was warmest Aug
day since 1855 .Now if they bothered to check the records the actual record was 26.5C on the
29th 1982.Of course this will equate to a hot summer according to them.

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#1003916 - 02/08/2011 19:37 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: petethemoskeet]
mobihci Offline
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Registered: 09/05/2009
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Loc: Brisbane
according to bom, australias mean temps have risen approx 0.05 deg c over the last 100 years. the ups and downs within that are nothing special too. in the last year australias mean temp has dropped approx 0.5 deg c = 10x the amount of warming for the past century.

so, it is just a year, and it will no doubt only change the 100 year mean by a small fraction, but will this next year be enough to show australia has not warmed at all since records? hehe

all statistical fun and games until someone asks for 80 billion dollars..

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