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#1116113 - 23/07/2012 13:19 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Flim Flam's at it again.

Victoria missing out on renewable energy
WZ

The Climate Commission says Victoria's renewable energy resources are barely being tapped.

Chief climate commissioner Professor Tim Flannery says we are entering a new chapter of climate change and Victoria should be making a sharp shift to renewable energy such as wind and solar power.

"Victoria has got fabulous wind resources, the envy of places like Europe and fantastic solar resources too," Professor Flannery said.

"So the renewable energy capacity for the state is massive and it's barely being tapped at the moment.

"This state is really blessed in terms of it's renewable energy capacity."

The 12th report of the Climate Change Commission also predicts the number of very high, to extreme fire days in the state will increase over the next few decades.

Professor Flannery says the research paints a clear picture of Victoria's changing climate.

"There are significant threats to the state in terms of everything from water availability, to increasing temperatures to health risks," he said.

"We can see already that things are changing again as human-made greenhouse gasses are starting to impact.

"You're going to see things like rising sea levels which will have impacts in Melbourne places like Hobson's Bay as well as many areas of the coast.

"We're going to see more extreme weather events and again we're already seeing some of that with these very long droughts and very wet periods and increased bushfire risks."


Mark this date for future reference.... wink

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In 2005, Flannery predicted Sydney's dams could be dry in as little as two years because global warming was drying up the rains, leaving the city "facing extreme difficulties with water".

Sydney Water Level (19 July 2012)

In 2007, Flannery predicted cities such as Brisbane would never again have dam-filling rains, as global warming had caused "a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas" and made the soil too hot, "so even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and river systems ... ."

Brisbane Water Level (current)

Murray - Darling Water Basin (11th July 2012)
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#1116133 - 23/07/2012 13:41 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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How are Flim Flams predictions?

0% strike rate.

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#1116142 - 23/07/2012 14:12 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Anthony Violi]
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Wind Farm Performance in Victoria - 22nd July 2012 - Vic; 444MW. Total states; 2072MW (remember, we need 18,000MW - at night!)

Australian Wind Farm Performance (note: un-check all but Vic)

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#1116149 - 23/07/2012 15:31 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Richard Pearson disproves the existence of the Greenhouse Effect on The Galileo Movement.

Using two polystyrene foam 5 kg fish cooler boxes, some baking soda and glad wrap he proves that Richard Tyndall's original 1896 experiment is false.

How long until he gets a Nobel Prize I wonder?

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#1116154 - 23/07/2012 16:20 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Just goes to show what a pre-schooler can do in the kitchen for a couple of bucks, then what the IPCC, Mann et all, multi-million dollar super computers can't.



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#1116167 - 23/07/2012 18:36 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Good find PG and there's no surprise at all that snafu fell for it.

oh, and snafu - in what form would that empirical evidence that CO2 is the main driver of Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change need to be in for you to accept it?
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#1116170 - 23/07/2012 18:43 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Any that hasn't been touched by anyone from CRU/IPCC or you.
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#1116174 - 23/07/2012 19:00 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: SBT]
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The one that you have no proof for, that the whole theory rises and falls on...that positive feedbacks overwhelm negative feedbacks!(Excuse me speaking for snafu!, but I (and all others) have never ever seen this proved in the whole world by anyone!)


Edited by bd bucketingdown (23/07/2012 19:01)

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#1116182 - 23/07/2012 20:26 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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It proves, in a very simple way that very high CO2 concentrations do not raise temperatures.........at all!

Now to your next question.....show me/us the empirical evidence that CO2 is the main driver of Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change?

It's a simple question that requires a simple scientifically backed with empirical evidence answer. Oh, and just to suit you........it MUST be peer-reviewed by someone outside of the IPCC, SkS, RealClimate, etc, etc. It MUST be peer-reviewed by someone outside of the AGW/ACC agenda, ie; real scientists that are not paid to support such agenda. Good luck.

Why should I believe in a 'theory' (that's all it is BTW) that was based on a dodgy graph that was picked up by the IPCC, whose current chairman is a retired railway engineer, and who 3 years after gaining that postition, founded his own Oil Company!

Why should I believe in such a 'theory' when:

a ) ~4,500 years ago, the Egyptians built the Pyramids. Architects and geologists with powerful modern day computers and CAD software, still to this day, cannot figure out how they were built. All angles perfect, all sides equal, all arranged in the same direction. All without CAD software and GPS.

b) Pharmacists and chemists around the world, still to this day, have not found a cure for the common cold.

And you expect me to believe that these people have worked out the complex system of the earth's climate?

To quote your own words CeeBee, 'pull your head out of the sand and stop denying reality'.

TTFN
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#1116190 - 23/07/2012 22:25 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Are you guys serious about Dr Pearson? Do you honestly believer that he's disproved the Greenhouse effect?

Or are you just trolling?

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#1116191 - 23/07/2012 22:31 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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[sigh]

Buzzzzz......wrong answer. Try again.
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#1116193 - 23/07/2012 22:43 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Meanwhile, back in the real world:

Water, water everywhere as catchment levels close in on 15-year high : The Age.

Quote:
SOPPING catchments are replenishing Victoria's dams at a phenomenal rate, with Melbourne's water storages likely to top 80 per cent of capacity by year's end - their highest level in 15 years.

Statewide, the picture is similarly bright, with no region going thirsty.

The rebound from the worst drought on record has made for stunning recoveries at Lake Eppalock, which ran dry in 2007 but is now nearing capacity, and at Lake Eildon and Lake Hume.
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#1116207 - 24/07/2012 07:35 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Originally Posted By: snafu
It proves, in a very simple way that very high CO2 concentrations do not raise temperatures.........at all!

Now to your next question.....show me/us the empirical evidence that CO2 is the main driver of Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change?

It's a simple question that requires a simple scientifically backed with empirical evidence answer. Oh, and just to suit you........it MUST be peer-reviewed by someone outside of the IPCC, SkS, RealClimate, etc, etc. It MUST be peer-reviewed by someone outside of the AGW/ACC agenda, ie; real scientists that are not paid to support such agenda. Good luck.

Why should I believe in a 'theory' (that's all it is BTW) that was based on a dodgy graph that was picked up by the IPCC, whose current chairman is a retired railway engineer, and who 3 years after gaining that postition, founded his own Oil Company!

Why should I believe in such a 'theory' when:

a ) ~4,500 years ago, the Egyptians built the Pyramids. Architects and geologists with powerful modern day computers and CAD software, still to this day, cannot figure out how they were built. All angles perfect, all sides equal, all arranged in the same direction. All without CAD software and GPS.

b) Pharmacists and chemists around the world, still to this day, have not found a cure for the common cold.

And you expect me to believe that these people have worked out the complex system of the earth's climate?

To quote your own words CeeBee, 'pull your head out of the sand and stop denying reality'.

TTFN


Thanks for that snafu - it confirms what I suspected. You are a hard core denier of climate science and no scientific peer reviewed evidence in any shape or form will alter that fact.

You will though accept non peer reviewed blog science as evidence - no questions asked.

Think for a minute how that makes you look...
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#1116214 - 24/07/2012 08:33 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Quote:
Think for a minute how that makes you look...


Rational?

Or is this a trick question?
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#1116216 - 24/07/2012 08:50 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
Thanks for that snafu - it confirms what I suspected. You are a hard core denier of climate science and no scientific peer reviewed evidence in any shape or form will alter that fact.

You will though accept non peer reviewed blog science as evidence - no questions asked.

Think for a minute how that makes you look...

Call me a denier if you wish CeeBee, I don't care. It's the same with ALL you warmists, when you cannot supply the evidence you resort to calling people deniers.

I don't need any science papers to prove what the earth is doing naturally, I use the most powerful computer known to man.....my own brain and it's powers of observation.

Maybe you should try it one day CeeBee. Go outside and observe what is going on in the real world. Unless you're to afraid of going outside for fear of melting or getting hit by a piece of sky that is falling. Wear a tin-foil hat for protection if you wish.

You go ahead and believe in your Religion CeeBee, I don't care, because I am an atheist.....and proud of it.

TTFN


Edited by snafu (24/07/2012 08:54)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#1116219 - 24/07/2012 08:58 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
bd bucketingdown Offline
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Er...for both sides...interesting news articles on AGW, maybe is the topic!

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#1116221 - 24/07/2012 09:04 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Sorry bd. I've had my spray.

smile
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#1116223 - 24/07/2012 09:19 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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New research in Antarctica shows CO2 follows temperature “by a few hundred years at most”

The question of “which comes first, the temperature or the CO2 rise?” has been much like the proverbial “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” question. This seems to settle it – temperature came first, followed by an increase in CO2 outgassing from the ocean surrounding Antarctica.

“Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most,” - Sune Olander Rasmussen

The greatest climate change the world has seen in the last 100,000 years was the transition from the ice age to the warm interglacial period. New research from the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen indicates that, contrary to previous opinion, the rise in temperature and the rise in the atmospheric CO2 follow each other closely in terms of time. The results have been published in the scientific journal, Climate of the Past.

In the warmer climate the atmospheric content of CO2 is naturally higher. The gas CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a green-house gas that absorbs heat radiation from the Earth and thus keeps the Earth warm. In the shift between ice ages and interglacial periods the atmospheric content of CO2 helps to intensify the natural climate variations.

It had previously been thought that as the temperature began to rise at the end of the ice age approximately 19,000 years ago, an increase in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere followed with a delay of up to 1,000 years.

“Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen, Associate Professor and centre coordinator at the Centre for Ice and Climate at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen.


WUWT, 23rd July 2012 - Full article here

Stick that up your nose CeeBee.....and it's peer reviewed!
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#1116258 - 24/07/2012 13:46 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Originally Posted By: snafu
New research in Antarctica shows CO2 follows temperature “by a few hundred years at most”

The question of “which comes first, the temperature or the CO2 rise?” has been much like the proverbial “which came first, the chicken or the egg?” question. This seems to settle it – temperature came first, followed by an increase in CO2 outgassing from the ocean surrounding Antarctica.

“Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most,” - Sune Olander Rasmussen

The greatest climate change the world has seen in the last 100,000 years was the transition from the ice age to the warm interglacial period. New research from the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen indicates that, contrary to previous opinion, the rise in temperature and the rise in the atmospheric CO2 follow each other closely in terms of time. The results have been published in the scientific journal, Climate of the Past.

In the warmer climate the atmospheric content of CO2 is naturally higher. The gas CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a green-house gas that absorbs heat radiation from the Earth and thus keeps the Earth warm. In the shift between ice ages and interglacial periods the atmospheric content of CO2 helps to intensify the natural climate variations.

It had previously been thought that as the temperature began to rise at the end of the ice age approximately 19,000 years ago, an increase in the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere followed with a delay of up to 1,000 years.

“Our analyses of ice cores from the ice sheet in Antarctica shows that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the rise in Antarctic temperatures very closely and is staggered by a few hundred years at most,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen, Associate Professor and centre coordinator at the Centre for Ice and Climate at the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen.


WUWT, 23rd July 2012 - Full article here

Stick that up your nose CeeBee.....and it's peer reviewed!


Good on you snafu for posting this important study. It backs up what I've been saying here all along. That human activity has increased CO2 levels and that the current warming is due to those high CO2 levels.

The peer reviewed paper that you posted also says this:

Climatic impact

The global temperature changed naturally because of the changing solar radiation caused by variations in the Earth’s orbit around the Sun, the Earth’s tilt and the orientation of the Earth’s axis.

These are called the Milankowitch cycles and occur in periods of approximately 100,000, 42,000, and 22,000 years.

These are the cycles that cause the Earth’s climate to shift between long ice ages of approximately 100,000 years and warm interglacial periods, typically 10,000 – 15,000 years.

The natural warming of the climate was intensified by the increased amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. (CO2, a GHG, causes warming)

“What we are observing in the present day is that mankind has caused the CO2 content in the atmosphere to rise as much in just 150 years as it rose over 8,000 years during the transition from the last ice age to the current interglacial period and that can bring the Earth’s climate out of balance,” explains Sune Olander Rasmussen adding “That is why it is even more important that we have a good grip on which processes caused the climate of the past to change, because the same processes may operate in addition to the anthropogenic changes we see today.
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#1116266 - 24/07/2012 14:00 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Well 'cherry-picked' CeeBee. As it also states in the same paragraph:

Quote:
“That is why it is even more important that we have a good grip on which processes caused the climate of the past to change, because the same processes may operate in addition to the anthropogenic changes we see today.


I shouldn't need to remind you that CO2 levels are currently rising from record low levels...... smirk
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