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#1116807 - 27/07/2012 11:50 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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I will also ignore all of CeeBee's comments even when she is very wrong.

No doubt, she is female.

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#1116808 - 27/07/2012 12:03 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Bill Illis]
Alexia Offline
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Have ignored ceebee for some time now I would also doubt he/she is a teacher.[has been at best]

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#1116810 - 27/07/2012 12:10 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
John O'Sullivan is a fraud.

Principia Scientific Int'l versus Dr. Michael Mann

John O'Sullivan is a principle founder and pusher of "Principia Scientific International" a group of AGW deniers intent on spreading misinformation and furthering the echo-chamber's crazy-making regarding the scientific knowledge surrounding our planet's climate.

And since I don't have the time to devote to helping expose the various nonsense around this group I can at least share the efforts of others.

At global political shenanigans Pete Ridley is doing a fine job of examining the details of PSI's beautifully worded 'mission statement' compared to the reality of what they do.

CeeBee. As my final reply to any of your posts, I would just like to say;

1) I would be very careful if I were you stating on a public forum that John O’Sullivan is a 'fraud'. Especially when that same person forced the U.S. Government to swiftly remove a degraded orbital space satellite from service. Just something to think about and some 'friendly advise'.....if you know what I mean.... wink

2) John O’Sullivan is not involved in/representing any of the above court cases. He is merely stating/reporting how this will go through the courts.

3) Under those court rulings, Mann et al, MUST hand over all evidence that the defendant asks for/requests. Otherwise they will be seen, by the court, as being in 'willful contempt of court'.

4) I honestly don't think that you can see how serious that this/these court procedings against Mann et all would be to the eventual failure of the AGW / ACC fiasco we have had for the past 20-30 years or so.

In conclusion:

Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour!”
- Sir Winston Churchill, 18 June 1940
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#1116811 - 27/07/2012 12:12 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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I may be accused of a sycophantic lap-dogesque display - but I have to say, I do like the Churchill quotes sanfu!
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#1116815 - 27/07/2012 12:25 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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That's snafu btw.

Situation Normal All ____ed Up

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#1116816 - 27/07/2012 12:27 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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AHHHH - my bad / fat fingers ... that was a saintly (SAN) FU by me. grin
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#1116817 - 27/07/2012 12:34 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Originally Posted By: snafu
Originally Posted By: CeeBee
John O'Sullivan is a fraud.

Principia Scientific Int'l versus Dr. Michael Mann

John O'Sullivan is a principle founder and pusher of "Principia Scientific International" a group of AGW deniers intent on spreading misinformation and furthering the echo-chamber's crazy-making regarding the scientific knowledge surrounding our planet's climate.

And since I don't have the time to devote to helping expose the various nonsense around this group I can at least share the efforts of others.

At global political shenanigans Pete Ridley is doing a fine job of examining the details of PSI's beautifully worded 'mission statement' compared to the reality of what they do.

CeeBee. As my final reply to any of your posts, I would just like to say;

1) I would be very careful if I were you stating on a public forum that John O’Sullivan is a 'fraud'. Especially when that same person forced the U.S. Government to swiftly remove a degraded orbital space satellite from service. Just something to think about and some 'friendly advise'.....if you know what I mean.... wink

2) John O’Sullivan is not involved in/representing any of the above court cases. He is merely stating/reporting how this will go through the courts.

3) Under those court rulings, Mann et al, MUST hand over all evidence that the defendant asks for/requests. Otherwise they will be seen, by the court, as being in 'willful contempt of court'.

4) I honestly don't think that you can see how serious that this/these court procedings against Mann et all would be to the eventual failure of the AGW / ACC fiasco we have had for the past 20-30 years or so.

In conclusion:

Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fall, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Empire and its Commonwealth lasts for a thousand years, men will still say, “This was their finest hour!”
- Sir Winston Churchill, 18 June 1940


You do realise that John O'Sullivan has a faked degree.

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O'Sullivan claims to be legal scholar and a lawyer with a law degree from University of Surrey and that he has "successfully litigated for 13 years in New York and Federal 2nd District courts." He claims to be a science writer with major articles published around the world including in National Review and Forbes magazines. He also claimed to be employed as a legal consultant by Pearlman Lindholm, the law firm defending Tim Ball in the matter of Mann vs. Ball, et al. before the Supreme Court of British Columbia. None of that is true. He is an utterly shameless humbug. In 2010, he purchased his "law degree" from the online diploma mill "Hill University" that sells any degree in any field with a "promised delivery in just 14 days!"


John O'Sullivan has also rather scandalously linked Dr. Michael Mann to the Sandusky pedophile scandal.

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It's depressingly hilarious that one of the loudest-mouthed crackpots "linking" Prof. Mann to "pedophiles" is a former school teacher whose career ended in scandal almost a decade ago following his arrest and trial for sending dozens of obscene text messages to a 16-y-o school girl. Former high school art teacher John O'Sullivan was acquitted after his step-daughter testified she had sent the obscene messages -- testimony that the judge said he did not find entirely credible. O'Sullivan then published an autobiographical novel (titled "Vanilla Girl") in which he defends what he called "kiddie fiddling" -- I kid you not.


http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/john-osullivan-my-hidden-muse.html#more

http://globalpoliticalshenanigans.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/selected-e-mails-with-slayerspsi.html
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#1116819 - 27/07/2012 12:47 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Sandusky Comparison Beyond the Pale


It should go without saying that comparing anyone - particularly an honest scientist - to a convicted serial child molester is simply reprehensible and should be universally condemned. We would hope that CEI and National Review would acknowledge their writers' blatant lapses in judgment, retract the articles, and issue a profound apology to Mann for their slander and libel. As noted above, CEI has taken the small step of removing what they call the "Two inappropriate sentences."

So far National Review has taken no action, and Mann has retained legal counsel who has issued a letter to National Review stating:

"Needless to say, we intend to pursue all appropriate legal remedies on behalf of Dr. Mann...we reiterate our demand that this defamatory article be immediately removed from further publication, and that you issue a retraction of this article and an apology to Dr. Mann."

The letter also used the Skeptical Science Climategate rebuttal to illustrate why the accusations of fraud are entirely baseless and without merit - we are pleased to have been a useful resource in Dr. Mann's endeavors on this matter.

Comments from the Peanut Gallery

Mann's move onto the offensive has generated widespread commentary from the blogosphere. For the most part there has been a great deal of support, for example on AGU blogs, Climate Crocks, Discover Magazine's Bad Astronomy, and many others, including comments on Mann's Facebook Page. However, a number of climate denialists have inexplicably sided with CEI and National Review's defamatory attack, for example Andrew Montford and WattsUpWithThat, among others.

Denialists Frothing Up the Abusers

There is a clear connection between the behavior at climate denialist blogs and the abuse directed towards climate scientists. Denialist blog posts constantly leap from their own flawed scientific analyses to the conclusion that climate scientists must be guilty of fraud, data manipulation, and other immoral behavior. The letters received by climate scientists contain this same sort of language, with baseless accusations of fraud and data manipulation, followed by abusive language and often death threats.

Climate denialist blogs are also the source of the CEI and National Review accusations of fraud, which soon warped into a denigrating comparison betwen an honest climate scientist and a serial child molester. Instead of condemning this reprehensible behavior, climate denialist ringleader WattsUpWithThat in particular appears to encourage it.

This sort of behavior must stop, especially if these climate denialists wish to be taken seriously as real 'skeptics'. It is completely unacceptable that honest climate scientists like Mann, Jones, and Hayhoe - who are just trying to do their jobs and further the collective human understanding of the inner workings of our climate - are being subjected to abusive attacks and death threats as a reward for their efforts.

We call on all climate 'skeptic' blogs to condemn the defamatory language from CEI and National Review, and the abuse directed towards climate scientists in general, and we wish Dr. Mann well in his efforts to hold National Review liable for its defamation of his character.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/mann-fights-back.html
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#1116823 - 27/07/2012 12:55 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Spinning more bad news to pretend it answers skeptics. When 400 “equals” zero.

Believers really do have trouble with numbers. Today 400 is apparently a lot like zero.

Since when was 400 years a gap that anyone called “close”? Especially when we are talking about a molecular effect that works in microseconds (or hey, even less).

Newspapers today are full of the spin that an Antarctic survey by Pedro et al, that found CO2 only lagged temperature by a mere tiny 400 years ‘… “addressed the argument of “climate sceptics” that CO2 increases did not lead to temperature rises because the temperature rise must come first.’ [The Australian]. Didn’t the editor notice that a lag of 400 years is still a lag? Did the journalist (Rosanne Hunt) not realize that even if the lag was measured in hours it still means temperature drives carbon dioxide, and not the other way around? This is nonsense on stilts. The Australian only published 6 lines, and one of them is barking.

The Australian Government (Antarctic Division) says it “closes the gap” and “Their findings suggest that feedbacks in the climate system – in which warming is linked to natural carbon dioxide increase, driving further warming – may operate faster than previously thought.”

But wait, if we only have to wait 400 years for this feedback to kick in, it won’t be disastrous in 2020, it will be 2345 before it starts (that’s the post WWII coal fired boom in emissions, plus 400). I just can’t see the electorate getting too worked up about it.

The gap was estimated to be 800 years previously.

Synchronous? Since when was 4 centuries “near-synchronous”?

Watch the language – they are so sloppy with it.

“The ice cores reveal a near-synchronous temperature and carbon dioxide increase. If there was a lag at all then it was likely no more than 400 years,” says Joel Pedro from the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems CRC, in Hobart, who led the study.

[Aust Govt Antarctic Division site]

For alarmists, numbers are not important, it’s all in the “words”. Eric Steig can’t emphasize how important this is.

Eric Steig, an American ice core expert based at the University of Washington who examined Pedro’s PhD thesis, said almost all previous work had provided uncertainties on the time lag between temperature and carbon dioxide in the order of many hundreds to even thousands of years. “I cannot emphasize enough how important this result is,” he said. “The authors collapse these values to something so short that it has major implications for our understanding of the carbon cycle and climate change.”

But wait a minute, which climate scientists thought it was “important” ten years ago when researchers realized that temperatures definitively rose first? Where were the headlines between 1999 – 2003 as paper after paper repeatedly showed that there was no chance CO2 rose before temperature. Until then climate scientists had been happy to let journalists assume that CO2 rises led temperature rises, and that this was important evidence for the theory of man-made climate disaster. (And even after the lag was well known among scientists, how many alarmist scientists protested when Al Gore implied it was still “evidence” in his 2005 movie? Would that be “none”? All we know for sure about CO2 feedbacks in ice cores is that climate scientists are not concerned about accurate reporting.)


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#1116829 - 27/07/2012 13:09 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
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Aussie Antarctic scientist in climate studies breakthrough

AN Australian Antarctic scientist has made a climate studies breakthrough by examining how the earth warmed up after the last Ice Age.

Glaciologist Joel Pedro, from the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre, is part of an international team that has worked out how quickly carbon entered the atmosphere as a result of temperature rises beginning around 19,000 years ago.

The team discovered that CO2 increased naturally in the atmosphere much more quickly than previously thought during an 8000-year period of global warming.

"The new thing here is to pin down the time scales of how that worked in the past," Dr Pedro told AAP.

"If there was a lag at all then it was likely no more than 400 years.

"We can't rule out that the two just happen at the same time, whereas previously the figures were more like a thousand (years)."

The finding suggests "feedback" in the climate system - where temperature increases CO2, which in turn increases temperature - happens faster than expected.

It also lends support to theories that the oceans warmed more quickly than the 1000 years it was thought was needed for a significant change to occur.

Dr Pedro spent a month drilling ice cores at Law Dome near Casey Station in Eastern Antarctica in 2008-09.

His findings have just been published in the journal Climate of the Past.

The study has been hailed as a major step forward in understanding more recent problems, with US ice core specialist Eric Steig saying it has major implications for understanding the carbon cycle and climate change.

Dr Pedro says the study of natural warming only underlines the speed at which human-created climate change has occurred.

He says 8000 years' worth of natural CO2 increases have been created in the 200 years since the industrial revolution.

"Just as the steady increase in CO2 helped to melt the ice caps and warm the earth out of the ice age, the rapid increase now in CO2 is also driving up temperatures, only at a much faster rate," he said.

"What we're doing now is over a hundred times faster."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nationa...a-1226434145677


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#1116835 - 27/07/2012 13:30 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: snafu]
ROM Offline
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Something you won't see in the advocacy media or other sources around here.
Lots of grossly exaggerated hype on the recent American hot weather which has all occurred before and that within recent times but this sort of news is just ignored so far.
That ignoring of the sort of data below could all change in the next few years IF the global climate does turn colder as is very unfortunately predicted by some solar scientists.

And the low Antarctic temperatures illustrated below may possibly be of far more importance to the global climate than a hot weather spell over the USA.
We simply don't know as yet and won't until another decade or more has passed and an analysis derived and potential theories formulated to account for this deviation from what we assume [ after only some 20 or 30 years of reasonable weather observations in Antarctica ] is the accepted norms for temperature in Antarctic for this period of the polar season.

This bit of interesting info has had to come via Europe's P. Gosselin's "NoTricksZone" english language blog.

Extreme, Unusual Cold Deviation Of -20°K Now Occurring Over Antarctica

Cold temperatures are nothing unusual in Antarctic, especially in the wintertime. But one observer in the Internet here has noticed it’s been far colder than usual.



Shown above is the projected 2m temperature anomaly for Antarctica for 30 July until 6 August, 2012. Source: Dr. Ryan N. Maue.

The observer writes:

For weeks I’ve been observing extreme, unusual deviations from the mean by as much as -20°K. Even in Australia it’s been too cold. What’s the reason for this cold over there, the powerful Antarctic polar circulation?

While the media remains locally fixated on a warm June in the US, it is ignoring an extreme cold event in a region that is supposed to be a “canary in the coal mine”.

[ Dr Ryan Maue's comprehensive global weather web site "Policlimate ]

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#1116853 - 27/07/2012 14:39 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Latest update of Mike Mann's defamation case
You couldn't make this up if your tried.

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#1116856 - 27/07/2012 14:47 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
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Originally Posted By: ROM
Yesterday, wednesday, CeeBee put up and promoted two WUWT hate sites on this thread as below.

As CeeBee and _PG_ regularly fulminate against WUWT I decided to do a little exercise again, one which I have done not so long ago and posted on WUWT where it created quite a bit of interest.

The exercise was a "post and comment" count on a number of climate related sites starting with the first post on Monday 16 th July through to when I am typing this out this evening Thursday 26th July.
A period of ten days which I figure should provide a reasonable picture of the activities and interest and the following at each site.

(snip)

Need I say any more!

What exactly have your proven ROM? More angry scientifically illiterate lunatic conspiracy theorist keyboard warriors post on Jo Nova's website than on blogs run by actual scientists and mathematicians?

Wow...I would never have guessed.

Let's try your exercise again, but this time we'll restrict it to people that spend money on books.

Examine the Amazon rankings of some climate change and climate denial books. On the one hand we'll list books espousing lunatic conspiracy theories..on the other hand we'll look at books which examine the sourcing of corporate science denial.

The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert (Lamframboise)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #183,992

Watermelons (Delingpole)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #231,396

Heaven and Earth (Plimer)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #259,223

The Hockey Stick Wars (Mann)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #66,096

Merchants of Doubt (Oreskes and Conway)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #24,105

Modern Cosmology (Scott Dodelson)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #145,574

Spacetime and Geometry (Sean Carroll)
Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #75,047

So the good news is less people seem to be reading up on lunatic conspiracy theories and corporate-sponsored science denial than those reading books examing the sources of such corporate-sponsored doubt and denial in the first place. There also seem to be less people reading about climate change denial than studying hardcore astrophysics.

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#1116860 - 27/07/2012 15:06 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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World is Getting Warmer, Experts Claim

From a Reuter Correspondent in Copenhagen

THE World is getting warmer, but cooler temperatures will come again. This is the conclusion which emerges from a 100-odd page report on "recent climatic fluctuations" issued by the Danish Royal Geographical Association.

STATING that the world's average temperature rose by 0.35 degrees centigrade in the period from 1910 to 1940, the report declares: "The greatest temperature rise, of more than 3 degrees, has taken place in Greenland, but Spitsbergen, North Asia and northern parts of North America can also show appreciable rises of more than 2 degrees.

"Otherwise, the rises are in the neighborhood of 1 degree in the North Temperate Zone.

"It is remarkable that the temperature rises at the great lakes of North America are less than in the districts to the east, north and west of them.

"The most extensive fall appears to have taken place in East Asia and Australia."

The year 1934, the report continues, was particularly warm in central Europe and in Scandinavia - in several places it was the warmest year ever recorded.

In 1947 there was a continuous severe winter in places in south Scandinavia, central Europe and England, but an unusually mild winter in South Greenland.

"In the Polar regions and mountains a considerable melting of glaciers has taken place, a process which has been particularly advanced by longer and warmer summers and shorter and milder winters, with more rain and less snow.

"Mild winters alone cannot cause the glaciers and Polar ice to dwindle. The precipitation, evaporation and temperature of the other seasons have also a decided significance for the reduction."

Danish experts do not attempt to predict any date when the world's ice caps will be completely melted. Such an event is regarded as "absolutely impossible".

Sooner or later, the experts believe, the present upward trend in world temperatures will stop, and the world will slowly revert to the climatic conditions which were normal at the turn of the century.

"White Christmases" will then return to those areas of the earth which at one time regarded snow at this time of the year as inevitable. There may even be skating again on a frozen Thames.

Effect on flora

Meanwhile, the climatic improvement is having a considerable effect on flora and fauna.

"The prolonged and warmer summers have made it possible to harvest twice in many places where previously only one harvest was possible," the report says. "The boundary line for both animals and plants has moved farther north and higher up the mountains.

"Denmark has thus been enriched by not less than 25 new species of birds, the Faroe Islands by eight, Iceland by six, and West Greenland by five new species. In north Scandinavia, spruce and pine grow better than before."

The icy waters round Greenland have also benefited by the temperature swing. Between 1910 and 1920, the years when the climatic improvements were first recorded, the prevailing wind around south Greenland changed from north west to south-east.

At the same time, codfish began to be found in greater quantities off the Greenland coasts.

But this change in the schemes of nature is, to some extent, being offset by changes elsewhere. The report comments:

"It now appears, however, that so much ice has melted in the Polar regions that there arises the possibility of disastrous consequences for fishing in the northern oceans, because fish cannot live in the cold, fresh and foodless melted ice which is spreading south in the direction of Iceland and North Norway as a slow surface covering from the east Greenland ocean."

Danish experts, while emphasising that the average world temperatures are continually rising and falling over long periods, maintain that the present upward swing is greater than ever previously recorded.

Less rain

While the world's thermometers have been gradually recording the change in temperatures, other scientific instruments have been recording other climatic changes.

The Danish report states that in the years from 1910 to 1940, less rain than normal fell on the world generally.

While more than normal fell in the Arctic and North Temperate Zone, in Mexico, at La Plata, South India and south-East Asia, less fell in the greater part of the United States, the north of South America, Africa, Malaya and Australia.

Summing up, the report concludes:

"Although there is much to suggest that the present climatic fluctuation is due to fluctuations of solarsradiation, which is, of course, the all-dominating source of energy for the earth, the question of the cause will remain open until sufficiently exact measurements for a longer time of the solar radiation are available.

"As long as there remains any doubt as the cause of climatic fluctuation, it will be difficult to make any prediction regarding its further progress. But, even if the present fluctuation has occurred quite suddenly, and perhaps will disappear just as suddenly, there may, by means of a systematic registration of pressure, temperature, solar radiation, wind, precipitation, etcetera, be a possibility of predicting an eventual return to the climate we had before the improvement began over great areas."

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#1116862 - 27/07/2012 15:08 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__
Latest update of Mike Mann's defamation case
You couldn't make this up if your tried.


Well - Mann and his team better hurry up on this... I sense a rather rapid withdrawal once UVA is made to cough up his emails under FOI after Sept 17 th . [You know - the totally innocent ones that the Climate Progress Fund has spent millions in trying to keep hushed up]

http://www.atinstitute.org/american-tradition-institute-v-uva-and-mann-update/
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#1116863 - 27/07/2012 15:08 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: ROM]
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Originally Posted By: ROM
Something you won't see in the advocacy media or other sources around here.
Lots of grossly exaggerated hype on the recent American hot weather which has all occurred before and that within recent times but this sort of news is just ignored so far.
That ignoring of the sort of data below could all change in the next few years IF the global climate does turn colder as is very unfortunately predicted by some solar scientists.

And the low Antarctic temperatures illustrated below may possibly be of far more importance to the global climate than a hot weather spell over the USA.
We simply don't know as yet and won't until another decade or more has passed and an analysis derived and potential theories formulated to account for this deviation from what we assume [ after only some 20 or 30 years of reasonable weather observations in Antarctica ] is the accepted norms for temperature in Antarctic for this period of the polar season.

This bit of interesting info has had to come via Europe's P. Gosselin's "NoTricksZone" english language blog.

Extreme, Unusual Cold Deviation Of -20°K Now Occurring Over Antarctica

Cold temperatures are nothing unusual in Antarctic, especially in the wintertime. But one observer in the Internet here has noticed it’s been far colder than usual.



Shown above is the projected 2m temperature anomaly for Antarctica for 30 July until 6 August, 2012. Source: Dr. Ryan N. Maue.

The observer writes:

For weeks I’ve been observing extreme, unusual deviations from the mean by as much as -20°K. Even in Australia it’s been too cold. What’s the reason for this cold over there, the powerful Antarctic polar circulation?

While the media remains locally fixated on a warm June in the US, it is ignoring an extreme cold event in a region that is supposed to be a “canary in the coal mine”.

[ Dr Ryan Maue's comprehensive global weather web site "Policlimate ]



What utter nonsense! First up this is a projection of what may or may not happen.

Secondly -20°K is a nonsense. When discussing the Kelvin scale the degree sign is not placed in front of K. So the correct way to type it would be -20 K

Now, to claim that the Antarctic is showing -20 K temps is utter rubbish of course as that would be well below absolute zero!

( absolute zero being −273 °C )

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#1116868 - 27/07/2012 15:20 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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You are right about the ° - but the article talks about an anomaly - and if it is -ve, it has to be [ahem] negative. How else would you express an anomaly of -20K? Oh Oh I know [Palm Forehead] you can not write 20K... becasue that is 20,000!... Oh How oh How do I get the meaning that it's Kelvins...

Oh Eff it... -20°K is fine... [At least it'll stop the argument that I can't get my orders of magnitude right.]
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#1116869 - 27/07/2012 15:21 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: Arnost]
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And can I use "What utter nonsense! First up this is a projection of what may or may not happen" about all the AGW models?
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#1116877 - 27/07/2012 15:50 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: __PG__]
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Originally Posted By: __PG__
Latest update of Mike Mann's defamation case
You couldn't make this up if your tried.


That John O'Sullivan chap that snafu likes to hold up as being someone of importance is really turning out to be one nasty piece of work.

It's bad enough him linking Mann to that paedophile football coach and now we learn that he got his step-daughter to tell fibs to a judge in order to get him out of a fix he was in when he was on trial for sending sexually explicit texts to a 16 year old girl.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SIR+CLEARED+OF+SEX+TXTS.-a0113713467
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#1116878 - 27/07/2012 15:57 Re: Interesting news articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee

What utter nonsense! First up this is a projection of what may or may not happen.

Secondly -20°K is a nonsense. When discussing the Kelvin scale the degree sign is not placed in front of K. So the correct way to type it would be -20 K

Now, to claim that the Antarctic is showing -20 K temps is utter rubbish of course as that would be well below absolute zero!

( absolute zero being −273 °C )



Gosh darn it CeeBee, you sure got the 'skeptics' there. Job well done, case closed, move on, nothing to see here... except for the tiny little detail that says anomaly.

No wonder the believers are so frustrated, can't differentiate an anomaly from an absolute!!

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