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#1130168 - 03/10/2012 08:52 Renewable Energy News
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Sainsbury’s UK solar rollout makes it UK’s largest rooftop PV operator

Sainsbury’s has become the largest operator of rooftop-mounted solar PV across the UK after installing 16MW of capacity on 169 of its stores.

The 69,500 solar modules installed across the supermarket giant’s stores will reduce Sainsbury’s carbon footprint by 6,800 tonnes of CO2 every year as well as significantly slashing the company’s utility bills.

The mass rollout of solar serves as part of Sainsbury’s ambitious corporate target that aims to reduce its operational carbon emissions by 30 percent absolute and 65 percent relative by 2020. The company also holds a wider ambition to cut its carbon footprint in half by 2030.

Justin King, Chief Executive of Sainsbury’s said: "We’ve already made real progress towards achieving our environmental commitments detailed in our stretching ‘20 by 20 Sustainability Plan’. This solar rollout is another big step forward. It makes sense for us – it’s good for the environment and for our business and we are actively looking to install more panels.

“We already produce far more solar power than most commercial solar farms. We believe the retail sector should take another look at solar energy as a viable way to reduce its impact on the environment. Supermarkets have the equivalent of football fields on their roofs, many of them underutilised. It’s a perfect time to turn that space into something positive.

“Big contracts like this support job creation in the renewable energy sector and are essential for our solar industry to thrive. We believe that we’ll see the cost of solar energy reaching parity with the grid on commercial installations like this in the next two and four years, and that may well herald a new boom in the solar industry.”

The supermarket giant is truly embracing the use of renewables, in addition to the solar rollout, Sainsbury’s has installed over 40 biomass boilers as well as committed to installing geo-thermal heat pumps at 100 of its stores nationwide. Welcoming the news, Friends of the Earth Director of Policy and Campaigns, Craig Bennett, said: “This major solar investment will make Sainsbury’s a greener grocer and gives a significant boost to the UK’s renewable energy sector.

“Firms across the UK are waking up to the business benefits of using clean British energy from the sun, wind and waves to reduce our reliance on increasingly expensive fossil fuels. It’s little surprise that 85 per cent of the public want us to ditch fossil fuels in favour of renewable energy – this will bring down bills in the long term and create new UK industries and jobs.”

In the run up to the controversial August cuts, deployment of commercial scale solar has been disappointing. However, Justin King’s public backing of large scale solar as good for the environment and business should help instil some confidence to the UK solar market, which has had to endure significant changes to the feed-in tariff scheme in recent days. This year’s upcoming Solar Power UK conference will be addressing how companies can utilise solar to help cut costs today whilst ensuring a saving on fixed costs in the future. The Birmingham-based event will be running a wide range of seminar topics from October 2-4.

http://www.solarpowerportal.co.uk/news/s...v_operator_2356
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#1130170 - 03/10/2012 08:56 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Sumitomo invests in giant US solar project

Japan's Sumitomo Corp on Tuesday said it would take a 25 per cent stake in a 550-megawatt solar power project in California, giving the trading house a foothold in the growing US solar industry.

Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

The company, which has stakes in four US wind projects, joins GE Energy Financial Services and NextEra Energy Resources as an investor in the Desert Sunlight solar farm located in Riverside County.

Sumitomo made its investment by buying a part of GE's stake, it said in a statement.

The photovoltaic solar project is being built by First Solar Inc and has agreements in place to provide power to California utilities Southern California Edison and Pacific Gas & Electric. It is expected to be fully operational by 2015, according to First Solar's website.

Last year the US Department of Energy agreed to back part of $US1.46 billion in loans for the Desert Sunlight project as part of its program to aid alternative energy development.

Sumitomo said it will continue to seek opportunities to invest in solar and other renewable energy projects in the United States and Canada. The company has also made investments in US fossil fuel assets. In August it said it would take a 30 per cent stake in shale acreage controlled by Devon Energy Corp in the Permian Basin in Texas in a $US1.4 billion deal.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climat...l#ixzz28BYzhURE
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#1130172 - 03/10/2012 09:01 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Americans Love Solar (Republicans, Democrats, & Independents) — More than Any Other Energy Source

Everyone loves solar. Well, ok, not everyone, but the HUGE majority of people. It’s been like this probably as long as the idea of solar power has been around.

Now, a new study conducted by Hart Research on behalf of the Solar Energy Industries Association, shows that Americans of all stripes are still fully in love with solar.

Here are the bullet points:

92 percent of voters believe it’s important for the US to develop and use more solar energy.
85 percent of voters view solar energy favorably (60 percent very favorable).
78 percent of voters say government should support growth of solar energy with incentives.

This is the 5th year in a row that the survey has been conducted, and it’s the 5th time solar has been the popular kid on the block. As stated above, even Republicans (voters, not Congresspeople, that is) love solar:

“The poll found that more than nine out of 10 (92 percent) of likely voters feel that the U.S. should develop and use more solar energy. This support was strong across the political spectrum with 84 percent of Republicans, 95 percent of independents, and 98 percent of Democrats agreeing.”

If there’s one issue worth supporting loud and clear and basing an election on, its clean energy, and especially solar. Clearly, that’s not what the Romney/Ryan ticket is doing, and even the Obama administration isn’t being very clear about it. Obama’s energy message is all about “all of the above” — I wonder how much more popular he might be if he went on a really strong clean energy push with a focus on solar?

Geoff Garin, president of Hart Research Associates, says: “These results clearly show that American voters across the political spectrum have a strong favorable view of solar energy and the solar industry, and they believe that government has an important role to play in allowing this industry to grow and succeed.”

“The consistency of these findings is also impressive,” said Molly O’Rourke, partner at Hart Research. “Voters express the same high levels of support across a variety of measures, from their very positive perceptions of solar energy to their enthusiasm for policies that promote greater use of solar.”

And these weren’t just general or non-competitive questions! Take a load of these stats:

“Voters’ favorable view of solar translates directly into widespread bipartisan support for federal incentives fostering solar energy. Nearly four out of five (78 percent) of voters say the government should provide tax credits and financial incentives to encourage the development and use of solar energy. Fully two-thirds of swing voters (67 percent) chose solar above any other energy source to receive tax and financial incentives.”

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/10/02/amer...-energy-source/
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#1130193 - 03/10/2012 11:09 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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I find the above hard to comprehend since I belong to a huge forum with mostly American users. Most of them don't even have a clothes line because they say there isn't enough good weather to dry clothes with so how can they use solar?

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#1130196 - 03/10/2012 11:30 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bundybear]
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The folks in your forum must all be up in the North of Alaska then as the US has massive areas of desert that house huge solar farms which receive massive amounts of sunlight per year...

Solar power in the United States

Solar power in the United States includes utility-scale solar power plants as well as local distributed generation, mostly from rooftop photovoltaics.

The largest solar power installation in the world is the Solar Energy Generating Systems facility in California, which has a total capacity of 354 megawatts (MW).

Nevada Solar One is a solar thermal plant with a 64 MW generating capacity, located near Boulder City, Nevada.

The Copper Mountain Solar Facility is a 48 MW photovoltaic solar power facility in Boulder City.

The 37 MW Long Island Solar Farm in Upton, New York is the largest photovoltaic array in the eastern U.S.

The DeSoto Next Generation Solar Energy Center is a 25 MW photovoltaic solar power facility in DeSoto County, Florida.

The Desert Sunlight Solar Farm is a 550 MW solar power plant under construction in Riverside County, California, that will use thin-film solar photovoltaic modules.

The Topaz Solar Farm is a 550 MW photovoltaic power plant, being built in San Luis Obispo County, California.

The Blythe Solar Power Project is a 500 MW photovoltaic power station under construction in Riverside County, California.

The Ivanpah Solar Power Facility is a 392 MW solar thermal power facility which is under construction in south-eastern California.

The Solana Generating Station is a 280 MW solar power plant which is under construction about 70 miles (110 km) southwest of Phoenix, Arizona.

The Agua Caliente Solar Project is a 397 megawatt photovoltaic solar generating facility being built in Yuma County, Arizona.

The California Valley Solar Ranch (CVSR) is a 250 megawatt (MW) solar photovoltaic power plant, which is being built by SunPower in the Carrizo Plain, northeast of California Valley.

There are plans to build many other large solar plants in the United States. Governor Jerry Brown has signed legislation requiring California's utilities to obtain 33 percent of their electricity from renewable energy sources by the end of 2020.

A total of 4,658 MW of utility scale solar power plants are under construction and an additional 25,370 MW are under development, with 15,802 MW of those in California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_the_United_States
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#1130201 - 03/10/2012 11:42 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bundybear]
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Originally Posted By: bundybear
I find the above hard to comprehend since I belong to a huge forum with mostly American users. Most of them don't even have a clothes line because they say there isn't enough good weather to dry clothes with so how can they use solar?

I find the results of that study hard to believe as well. The statistics given make me question how well the research was conducted.
At face-value, solar and wind are fairly likeable options. However, all because something is likeable, does not mean that option should be pursued. Solar and wind are both rather inefficient and expensive, and will never be the main source of power globally. Of course, government's across the globe could always heavily subsidise solar panels to the public. I'm sure SEIA would be very happy with that. wink
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#1130451 - 05/10/2012 08:45 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Seabreeze]
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Epuron Acquires Australia's Largest Tracking Solar Power Plant from SunPower

Commonwealth Bank Finances Purchase, Becomes Country's First Financial Institution to Invest in Large-Scale Solar Project

SunPower Corp and Epuron today announced that Epuron has acquired the 1-megawatt Uterne solar power plant operating in Alice Springs, Australia. Commonwealth Bank, Australia's leading provider of integrated financial services, has provided project financing, making it the country's first major bank to support a solar project of this size.

The project was developed by SunPower with the support of Power and Water Corporation. Under a solar power purchase agreement, Power and Water Corporation will buy generated electricity at a guaranteed rate over a 20-year term. Following the acquisition, SunPower will continue to provide operations and maintenance services in conjunction with Ogden Power, a SunPower accredited solar company based in Alice Springs.

"Epuron's acquisition of Uterne underscores the bankability of SunPower's industry-leading, high efficiency technology, decades of proven experience and more than 2,500 megawatts deployed globally," said Howard Wenger, SunPower president, regions. "This solar power plant has exceeded reliability and energy production expectations since it was commissioned in June 2011, and will reliably generate power and return on investment for the life of the system."

"The acquisition of Uterne further demonstrates Epuron's commitment to a growing solar portfolio in the Northern Territory," said Epuron Executive Director Andrew Durran. "The project is a great addition to our 1-megawatt remote TKLN Solar project, making Epuron one of the largest solar project owners and asset managers in Australia. Epuron is especially pleased to be able to project finance the acquisition through CBA, a first for a project of this size in Australia."

Uterne is comprised of high efficiency SunPower solar panels installed on the SunPower® T20 Tracker, which positions panels to follow the sun during the day, increasing daily energy production by up to 30 percent over conventional fixed-tilt installations. In August 2012, Uterne received an Engineering Excellence Award from the Institution of Engineers Australia.
The development of Uterne was made possible with funding assistance from the Australian Government as part of its Solar Cities program. The solar power plant is a key component of the Alice Solar City program and illustrates the initiative's success in developing more sustainable energy solutions in Australia.

About SunPower

SunPower Corp designs, manufactures and delivers the highest efficiency, highest reliability solar panels and systems available today. Residential, business, government and utility customers rely on the company's quarter century of experience and guaranteed performance to provide maximum return on investment throughout the life of the solar system. Headquartered in San Jose, Calif., SunPower has offices in North America, Europe, Australia, Africa and Asia. For more information, visit www.sunpowercorp.com.

About Epuron

Founded in 2003, Epuron is a leading Australian renewable energy company with a focus on development of utility-scale wind and solar energy projects. Epuron's TKLN Solar project in the Northern Territory is ready to supply three remote communities in Australia's outback. Epuron is also one of Australia's most successful wind farm developers. It has developed the highest yielding, largest, and largest number of wind farms in NSW. Epuron is working with both mining and utility clients to provide reliable, off-grid power using solar and wind energy to supplement diesel or gas power supplies. For more information, visit www.epuron.com.au.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/03/4879254/epuron-acquires-australias-largest.html#storylink=cpy
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#1130452 - 05/10/2012 08:54 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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KYOCERA Establishes New Company to Operate 70MW Solar Power Plant in Japan

Kyocera Corporation (President: Tetsuo Kuba), along with six other companies, today announced the completion of capital investment procedures for the establishment of Kagoshima Mega Solar Power Corporation, a new company which will be tasked with operating a 70 megawatt (MW) solar power plant in southern Japan. The utility-scale solar power plant will become the largest in Japan.

The new company will develop and operate the previously announced 70MW solar power plant in Kagoshima City (Kagoshima Prefecture) on land owned by IHI Corporation — with the power generated to be purchased by Kyushu Electric Power Co., Inc. under the guidelines of the new feed-in tariff (FIT) program which was implemented on July 1 in Japan. The total project cost is estimated at approximately 27 billion yen (approx. 345 million US dollars*2), with seven investment companies involved (including Kyocera), and Mizuho Corporate Bank, Ltd. set to devise a financing plan for the project. Construction is set to commence in September of this year, with plans for completion by fall of 2013.



Annual output Approx. 78,800MWh (projected)

Electricity generated will provide the equivalent power for roughly 22,000 average households, and will help to offset roughly 25,000 tons of CO2 per year.

http://global.kyocera.com/news/2012/0706_ssll.html

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#1130612 - 06/10/2012 07:26 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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'Frozen air' could heat up renewable energy

The journey to a cooler, greener planet may start with a breath of fresh air, suggests a battery technology under development that could rapidly solve one of the biggest problems with wind and solar energy.

The air we breathe is about 78 percent nitrogen, a gas that turns to liquid at -321 degrees Fahrenheit.

The technology from Highview Power Storage in the United Kingdom involves extracting carbon dioxide and water vapor from the air, chilling the nitrogen to its liquid state and storing it in a giant vacuum flask.

Then, when energy is needed, the liquid is warmed to ambient temperature. As it transition to the gas phase, it expands about 700 times, generating force to drive a turbine that generates electricity.

Wind and solar power are used to suck air into compressors, purify it and freeze it, which gets us over the hurdle of the intermittentcy problem of the renewable energy.

Studies have shown time and again there’s more than enough wind and solar energy available to power the world, we just need to harness it and store it so that we can use it when and where we need it instead of only when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing.

Researchers around the world are chasing a range of technologies to overcome the hurdle, such as the liquid batteries under development by Donald Sadoway at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Current battery technologies are more energy efficient than liquid nitrogen storage, noted Stuart Nelmes, an engineer with High Power Storage, told the BBC’s Energy Live News.

But the liquid nitrogen technology is more mature, scalable and adaptable to today’s electricity grid, he added, which makes the cool tech an attractive solution to a big green tech problem.

A pilot project is up and running outside of London and the company signed a commercial agreement with a German firm to develop plants in Africa, according to Discovery News.

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/frozen-air-could-heat-renewable-energy-6283746
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#1130627 - 06/10/2012 09:10 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Studies prove that there is more than enough wind and solar to power the world, except that it doesn't bloody work. Look I would be the first bloke on the planet to jump into wind and solar power if it could produce constant reliable results day in day out without the need for any backups from normal power generation but it fails on so many levels that it is a joke and is the reason why major countries around the world are dumping 'renewable' subsidies left, right and centre and going back to traditional coal fired power generation.

As to the pipe dream posted above what are the energy requirements to cool the nitrogen? Is is a positive amount (less energy required to recool than is produced by the expansion), a neutral amount or as I suspect a huge deficit due to more energy being required to constantly cool the nitrogen than can ever be produced by the expansion.

Originally Posted By: cb
Wind and solar power are used to suck air into compressors, purify it and freeze it, which gets us over the hurdle of the intermittentcy problem of the renewable energy.
Except it won't when there is no wind and there is no sun so thats another pipe dream shattered by reality, but hey it could work, in theory. So in the end we end up with another huge white elephant that costs a bomb to build and run and doesn't do anything like what it was designed to do.
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#1130630 - 06/10/2012 09:51 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: SBT]
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(quote] Except it won't when there is no wind and there is no sun so thats another pipe dream shattered by reality, but hey it could work, in theory. So in the end we end up with another huge white elephant that costs a bomb to build and run and doesn't do anything like what it was designed to do.

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SBT I thinks its called evolution, it started with a rock that rolled, then came the wheel and before you know it man has invented the car. Ideas/theories need to be put into practice so the they can evolve into a practical working solution to a problem or need, the downsideis that sometimes it seems to take a very long time and a lot of wasted money before that solution is found.
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#1130633 - 06/10/2012 10:30 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Moonstruck]
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Wet-ish I am not knocking progress or the method, just the practicality of it.

The problem with all these schemes is that huge amounts are expended on the trialing for little if any return.

Now as a layman if I can see the flaws in the process by reading 1 article how certain can anyone be of it atcually working?

By all means have a trial, see what the pitfalls are but don't hype this as a cure for the issues of green power because it patently isn't as it relies on two failed processes (solar and wind - and no doubt has to be backed up by conventional power like every other green power initative) to make a 3rd one work.

By adding failed processes to the start of any process you can only ever end up with a failure.

I embrace new technology with gusto - well thats not entirely true, I won't buy anything Apple related for example - but I will reject anything that defies the law of diminishing returns. i.e. electric cars, home solar panels and wind turbines feeding into the grid etc.

Solar and wind have their places like at our nieces cattle station where it is used as the main but not sole power source, they still have access to mains power when it fails (4 days of no wind and overcast weather means battery storage is exhausted) and for some power hungry applications (arc welding, cold rooms etc) they have to use mains power.
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#1130753 - 07/10/2012 08:41 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: SBT]
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It's a myth that wind turbines don't reduce carbon emissions

Conclusive figures show that the sceptics who lobby against wind power simply have their facts wrong

The assertion that wind turbines don't reduce carbon emissions is a myth, according to conclusive statistical data obtained from National Grid and analysed here in the Guardian for the first time. With a new wind generation record of 4,131 megawatts set on 14 September, the question of how far the UK's wind generation fleet can help in meeting our climate targets is increasingly controversial. Now it can be shown that the sceptics who lobby against wind simply have their facts wrong.

On 14 September, wind turbines connected to the National Grid produced over 80 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of electricity, just over 10% of total UK generation. This was far from being a one-off: with more than 4,000 turbines both on and offshore now connected to the grid, wind produced 48 GWh of usable electricity per day on average during September, adding up to about 6% of overall daily national electricity requirement. On many days, wind is now the fourth-largest source of UK electricity, after coal, nuclear and gas. Indeed, this figure is a significant underestimate, because about two gigawatts of wind are connected directly to local networks and so not directly visible to National Grid.

Read full article
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#1130763 - 07/10/2012 09:37 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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The actual report says wind saved 5.5 Million tonnes CO2 in the UK in 2011 (the report did not include a full costing model including the emissions occuring as a result of the materials used and lifetimes etc. but nonetheless).

UK's total emissions in 2011 were 549 MT CO2 so a savings of 1.0%. Only 49% more to go.

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#1132880 - 14/10/2012 15:59 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Bill Illis]
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Solar panel take-up warms to a million

Australian roofs now have a solar power generating capacity equivalent to half the Snowy Hydro scheme as consumers react to soaring power prices and sinking prices for photovoltaic (PV) panels.

Some 858,000 homes have solar PV panels with an installed capacity of just under 2 gigawatts, according to the latest data from the Australian Clean Energy Regulator (ACER). At the current rate of take-up, the millionth home will tap into solar power before the end of June next year, said Professor Ray Wills, chief adviser to the Sustainable Energy Association (SEA), an industry lobby group.

Significantly, the growth in demand for solar has largely weathered the slashing of generous feed-in tariff in 2011 — and subsequent dive in orders after the loss of the subsidy — to recover much of its expansion pace.

Intense international competition among suppliers, particularly from China, now means households can expect payback periods of as short as four years, with a typical 1500-kilowatt unit selling for $1500-$2000, Professor Wills said.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business...l#ixzz29FKldmXu
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#1132899 - 14/10/2012 17:07 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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And all the rest have to subsidise them!

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#1133067 - 15/10/2012 08:52 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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1500 kilowatt for $1500-2000???? Tell em they're dreamin! That would be a 1.5kW. I think that solar hot water should be subsidised and encouraged for every home but PV cells maybe not.

I don't see PV cells as big of a problem as wind farms. They use space already occupied by a roof, they are small scale(roof top scale) and do not ruin scenic landscapes. Also if one breaks down, there is not a huge drop in capacity.

I do see though that the above story quotes installed capacity and not actual supply. Would be a fair gap between the 2 figures.

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#1135485 - 25/10/2012 14:08 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: adon]
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Work begins on new SA wind farm

WORK has begun on the second stage of the Snowtown wind farm project in South Australia's mid-north.

The $439 million development will include 90 turbines and have the capacity to power 180,000 homes.

"This project will add considerable capacity within South Australia to generate clean, green power from renewable sources," Industrial Relations Minister Russell Wortley said on Thursday after turning the first sod.

"South Australia is increasingly recognised as a leader in renewable energy.

"If we were a country, we would be second in the world when it comes to generating power through renewable technology."

The minister said ongoing investment in renewable energy would, in the long-term, put downward pressure on electricity prices and ensure South Australia was playing its part in tackling global climate change.

The state is currently working towards having 33 per cent of its energy come from renewable sources by 2020.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/nat...4#ixzz2AHCqYtWX

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#1135502 - 25/10/2012 15:38 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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The environmental visual pollution in SA by these horrible looking masses of things is something shocking!!!

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#1135504 - 25/10/2012 15:45 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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I actually quite like the look of them spinning away on the hill tops and coasts. They engender in me a feeling of serenity and calmness. Chimney stacks spewing out pollution does the opposite funnily enough...
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