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#1139988 - 14/11/2012 00:02 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: slipperyfish]
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Thanks Slippery, I spotted a paedophile priest still teaching kids whom I'd assumed was long dealt with and set about getting him away from those young kids.
My own story is in Patrick Parkinsons submission to the vic parliament ....I started my run in 2000 ....slowly slowly as SBT knows wink and we will get there.
is here http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/fcdc/article/1786
My own submission is public but not up yet ....I have a hearing before xmas.
My own case is about the run around I've had since 2000 ..not the before!
The John Ellis vs Pell case exposed the problem as the judge says in the findings ....will take an act of fed parliament to change that.
.......is where this is all going cheers
Thank you STB ...we must go catch that fish soon wink


Edited by Arnoldnut (14/11/2012 00:05)
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#1140266 - 15/11/2012 10:33 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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story is breaking today ......ABC et al.
Nothing could be said until a local court case was over (rapson/vic)

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3633089.htm

It begins! wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FE0wp0kd2-c


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#1141478 - 18/11/2012 07:29 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Everyone had much to say back in 2006
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/189785/1
...what happened?? no one has an opinion any more!

Arnoldnut had been banned at the time and I was Dilbert for a while.
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#1141496 - 18/11/2012 08:26 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Probably too scared to say much Arnoldnut. Not like us.

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Just in case I have saved the plans and will start contruction if they call a tender. wink
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#1141535 - 18/11/2012 09:43 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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Hey SBT and Arnoldnut smile

I have wanted to write a little something since the thread started (even before as I know it was brought up in another one) but it is on a topic that makes me literally sick in the stomach. Just wasn't sure what and how to say in explaining how I really feel and well today I am so tied after yesterdays storm activity, I'll probably wish I worded it differently.

People who commit these crimes against children make me SO angry and it brings tears to my eyes. Wearing my heart on my sleeve, I pray every week with out fail, that our police and investigative authorities into these matters are given the extra powers, tip offs and help to weed out pedophiles. AND most importantly rescue the children held captive. Every time I hear of mass arrests all around the globe it brings me joy and a smile to my face, like my prayers are being answered slowly but surely. BUT my heart breaks for the children, what happens to them cannot be undone and it scares me that the reality is, with every child rescued another inevitably takes it's place frown I remember a 60 minutes show some years ago of a police detective here in Brisbane I think it was, who works on these crimes (to rescue children), and how hard his job is looking through disgusting images and trying to track the origin of them. It touched me deeply since that day I have prayed.

The catholic church or any organisation that has sheltered these people have a lot to answer for. And I want them to pay dearly and for the full force of the law to come down on them and the individuals who have committed these heinous crimes. I really don't care how much it costs or how long this royal commission will take - it is necessary and am glad the PM agreed to it. Although I do hope it doesn't drag out and the resources are provided to see it done thoroughly, in less time and that money is not squandered in completing the royal commission.

I am so glad we have people in the world like you both who are passionate enough to 'take action' and to 'talk about it' like you are. It is not that WZ folk would be scared to comment, I would imagine it is more because of the very nature of these crimes, the very act of pedophilia is not something people want to think about because it is so sick. It makes us think of these terrible acts you just don't want in your head.

The most important thing is I want justice for those who have been victimised and will be hoping the results of the royal commission are what they seek and they need. That's all smile
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#1141554 - 18/11/2012 10:16 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SunnyDays]
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Sunnydays, thankyou for your post. I helped out with some technical aid as well as providing a website for various people to hone their forum building skills and lending a symathetic ear when needed, providing some direction as well as floating some ideas. What I did wasn't a huge contribution by any means but it helped start a movement that has grown in strength. I too was abused many years ago but I fought back and halted it before it got too bad. Some people can't/couldn't do that and as such it is up to the rest of us to stand up and assist those who can't defend themselves.

I just watched an interview with one of the organisers for the Irish Investigation which was ham strung by only running for 5 years. This allowed certain parties to slow the investigations down and in the end dodge the whole process. They did uncover a huge conspiracy of silence that ran from the local parish priest all the way up to the upper echelons of government and ultimately to teh Vatican itself though and many of the guilty where prosecuted. He warned against an closed ended investigation and said that it should run it's natural course no matter how long or where it went and how much it costs. About the only thing I have ever seen from Juliar that I agree with.
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#1141558 - 18/11/2012 10:23 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Originally Posted By: Arnoldnut
Everyone had much to say back in 2006
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/189785/1
...what happened?? no one has an opinion any more!

Arnoldnut had been banned at the time and I was Dilbert for a while.



To be fair, WZ has been dwindling in the past 5+ years and many of those members are long gone.

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#1141605 - 18/11/2012 12:01 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Rime]
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I hope that post about witch hunts hasnt made people afraid to speak their minds,it wasnt my intension to stop members speaking their minds. ....GDL

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#1141765 - 18/11/2012 15:09 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: GDL]
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Originally Posted By: GDL
I hope that post about witch hunts hasnt made people afraid to speak their minds,it wasnt my intension to stop members speaking their minds. ....GDL


my submission to the vic parliamentary inquiry starts out about when I first started out in 2000 I was seriously concerned about this ONE paedophile priest who I had come to learn was still teaching young children in Samoa.
My focus was on this one priest ....never imagined the rest of it!

we have all been fooled for year GDL ..I think Michelle's audio is an awakening for all. Made me storm around angry as hell ...every step of this will be painful for someone somewhere ....not a nice thing at all.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/prog...rothers/3240858

only heard it a few years back and gave me new found determination.
Michelle submission is public I think on the parliaments website.....this is a 2007 RN radio show

still know plenty of the old crew ...see them on my facebook etc ...sometimes I just drop in ;-)


Edited by Arnoldnut (18/11/2012 15:12)
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#1141789 - 18/11/2012 15:29 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
Probably too scared to say much Arnoldnut. Not like us.

http://www.instructables.com/id/medieval-stocks/

Just in case I have saved the plans and will start contruction if they call a tender. wink


just a thought! wink (language warning)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qDO6HV6xTmI

best I leave it there though poke ....will say that George reminds me of SirBT


Edited by Arnoldnut (18/11/2012 15:33)
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#1142298 - 18/11/2012 21:42 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Scary stuff A.T iam to gob smacked at the momment to even try to make a comment. ....GDL

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#1142412 - 19/11/2012 09:14 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: GDL]
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I'll explain a few things which many may find interesting ...SBT was assisting us to set up SNAP .....hhere in Aus. Here is thhe proxy one that was set up in it's place.....I backed away because I caused a focus by the religious order that I was taking to task.
http://www.snapaustralia.org/
te order themselves set up this site against our own (SNAP (our Org was set up year before in te USA and we were had registered SNAP in Australia over the prevoous few years as a .org.au (have to be a registered org to have that org.au is australia ....not ture of plain .org)
http://snap.donbosco.asn.au/index.php/en/
at the top of that page you will see Julian Fox writes the Samoan Youth story
Julian is one of the three mentioned in Patrick Parkinsons public submission to the victorian parliamentary inquiry.

I stepped away from our SNAP org as SBT well knows.
But SNAP AUS excists despite all the bulls#it and has sponsored Tom Doyle into Aus ....you'll see him on the telly today. (ABC I'll bet)
:Listen to that gentleman .....he will say it as it is.


All this is out in the public arena
http://www.theage.com.au/national/anger-...1029-28fox.html


Edited by Arnoldnut (19/11/2012 09:16)
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#1142417 - 19/11/2012 09:31 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: GDL]
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Originally Posted By: GDL
Scary stuff A.T iam to gob smacked at the momment to even try to make a comment. ....GDL


http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/prog...rothers/3240858

absolutely leaves you breathless ....every parent that has a child in care will wringe their hands.

is why I'm doing this dirty job ....I think most parents will understand ....I have grandkids myself and it is about them more than anything else.
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#1144388 - 25/11/2012 08:59 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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First Victims to actually get heard in a public forum.
Anthony and Chrissie Foster explain what these animals have been doing.
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3640045.htm

I spent the day at thhe inquiry ....lots been said thhat didn't go to air.
heads ups SBT, SNAP Aust gives a submission on monday ...Barbara Blaine president of SNAP USA is here also.
(all in hand Wobbley ...may be calling on you soon heheheheheeeee ....we are in negotation hehheheee....but keep your cards close SirBT wink )


Edited by Arnoldnut (25/11/2012 09:04)
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#1144393 - 25/11/2012 09:33 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Well I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime ..near the whole vic crew that made this happen were there at the parliament Mike. Wish you could have been there for the back slappin' smile
not over yet but little steps have turned to big of late ...we got our parliamentary inquiry and it's tipped over into Royal Commission.
All that crazy has panned out well I thoughht.
Ian gave his submisssion after Chrissie on Fridays arvo ....Mark will step up on Monday
(Ian's visiting Mark today ;-)...watch out for some Ccs)

Some may think I''m talking in riddles ....but everyting will gell as this moves forward.

I'd suggest the term 'Ontological' although unknown to most will be the most learnt word by the aussie public over thhe next few months ...some will even be able to spell it smile
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#1144591 - 26/11/2012 10:09 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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No need for backslaps Arnoldnut.

I was just happy to help start it off and yes I have been watching it all develop with interest. From such small beinings a avalanche has started. 2 grumpy old farts, a sense of moral outrage, a website and pulling together people from all over Australia to a cause that won't die. Never underestimate the power of good to truimph over evil.
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#1144885 - 26/11/2012 23:42 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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What I can't understand is that why would anyone have anything to do with the Catholic church when it's full of these type of low lives.
And they hide them as well.
It must be brain washing because I can't work it out.

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#1148118 - 08/12/2012 09:24 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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I'd already been fighting this battle for many years even before I started this old thread
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/189804/1

never dreamed we'd get to a Royal Commission in my lifetime. cheers

Tonite they are screening ABCFourCorners''Unholy Silence' aggain ......I'm the bloke in the program with the axe. wink
Am hoping to get a gernsey on the crucifixion squad.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/guide/abcnews24/201212/programs/NC1204H001D2012-12-08T200140.htm

a few programs have already run this last week
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3649350.htm
&

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3649351.htm


Edited by Arnoldnut (08/12/2012 09:30)
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#1148123 - 08/12/2012 09:45 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Make it known Guys! only public pressure has seen this get this far!

It needs to be discussed sensibly and in the open. Secrecy is their friend and needs to be put down.

however contrary to popular belief, humour is essential bounce
....the more cynical the better poke

You get like that after surviving the snow storm. wink
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#1148662 - 11/12/2012 17:08 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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Compass Special: CHURCHES ON TRIAL
ABCOne 8pm Tuesday 11 December

CHURCHES ON TRIAL shows how the church cover-ups and shifting of priests allowed abuse to happen again, and again; how the reluctance to punish offending priests, and the alleged 'buying off' and 'silencing' of victims has frustrated and angered them further.

And, it reveals how church strategies designed to bring justice and healing for survivors, like "Towards Healing" and "The Melbourne Response", have been found wanting.

http://www.abc.net.au/compass/
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