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#1324700 - 15/04/2015 12:40 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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#1324709 - 15/04/2015 14:24 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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I have been watching the Abuse Inquiry on Sky News multiview over the last 2 days. What can I say except BLOODY HELL. It was BLOODY HELL for the kids who went through this. These priest, nuns, etc who did this are nothing but scum. The priest, nuns, etc who hid this are just as guilty. SCUM!!!!!!!!!!

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#1324712 - 15/04/2015 14:48 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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And it still goes on
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#1324721 - 15/04/2015 16:17 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: rain gauge]
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Originally Posted By: rain gauge
And it still goes on

Yes I know.

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#1324726 - 15/04/2015 16:43 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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As a kid i though bit odd ,But thought well this must be ok adult church figure no one told me this was wrong .Other kids same thing thought it was normal .Till other kid gets in trouble at school for pulling girls pants down .Then start finding out these things not suppost to happen. Of course dont remember their names and probably dead now .
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#1326570 - 26/04/2015 11:43 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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need remind everyone that the header isn't exactly correct at all.
the Commission is investigating 'the handling' of child abuse cases.
how it was handled is what is being questioned ...and all 'institutions'.

What is extraordinary is the fact all the different 'institutions' that have been investigated and found wanting have 'replied' to the Commission already.
Except the catholic church.
There is the stinger!!!..... Just have a listen to Commissioner Peter McClellan using the men's health symposium to deliver the message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD1EDdWplAc

John Menague has a few blogs about this that are worth reading.

meanwhile here's a tune for SBT. Do hope you and your mates have had easy w/end of it ...been thinking of you all ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urtiyp-G6jY
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#1326573 - 26/04/2015 12:19 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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there is an earlier thread here on the zone that actually has some involvement in the writing of this book ....the author had followed myself and a few others through recent years which caused his own research and this book is the result.
http://ncronline.org/books/2015/04/book-offers-insight-canon-laws-role-sexual-abuse-crisis

Commissioner Peter McClellan himself recommended, during a public hearing, that every catholic and every parent should read this book.

hastle your library to get an 'e' version ...being it has 680 tags/internet references in it

and just by coincidence Emmett's first comment is right on the money :yes:


Edited by Arnoldnut (26/04/2015 12:22)
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#1326577 - 26/04/2015 12:42 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Back in 2004 when I became aware there was three abusers hiding in the pacific islands and not just the one I knew of ....I also became aware of this
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/01/1088488097907.html
...and what it represented as far as sorting the ones I knew of from a different Order.

Why I mention this is because the focus of a few days of last weeks hearings were about exactly that ..and the questioning of queenslands DPP and how they preceded was well looked into.

Is why we did it this way in 2004....this rounds up my story back then ...we had to go to the States to get a reporter that 'wasn't scared' ....no [censored] it has been different ;-)
http://watchdogblog.dallasnews.com/2013/...e-charges.html/
and this
http://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/...ndicies_1-5.pdf

But that all just be a very small part of a much bigger picture .....unfortunately, while ever the church stays 'mum', the train crash will continue.


Edited by Arnoldnut (26/04/2015 12:45)
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#1329582 - 19/05/2015 09:16 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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The Royal Commission hearings from Ballarat will be live streamed from 1000hrs AEST today at this link :

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/860eabc6-e0fc-453a-b9d4-51a89852fede/case-study-28,-may-2015,-ballarat

(you will need cut and paste it for some reason ;-)
Paedophile priest Ridsdale will most likely to called to give 'evidence' .....he was the parish priest here in our CBD of Inglewood.

My own argument is with another teaching Order of priests, whom due to their appearances in a melb courts at the moment, will remain nameless.

these hearings today are looking at Ballarat diocese' "Handling of Abuse Cases" ......and a little earlier history here from 1996 ABC Four Corners program ...this had an injunction of silence on it also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMsbRR40X4g

or you can find them all here on our web site
http://www.snapaustralia.org/







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#1329709 - 20/05/2015 15:03 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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I hope every australian is watching this today ....every parent need now what has been going on ...you don't need be a catholic to be caught in this!

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/860eabc6-e0fc-453a-b9d4-51a89852fede/case-study-28,-may-2015,-sydney
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#1329733 - 20/05/2015 18:36 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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George Pell next Ahhmm ,I know nothing ,I don't recall.I didn't say dont be ridiculous ,I didn't bribe him. Which will it be or all of the above.
Hope the new pope kicks him out .
View from someone that has had the experience of some of these types of people/creeps.Sorry.
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#1329766 - 21/05/2015 07:55 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Tony Abbott's mate Pell has a lot of questions to answer.
Pell is a creep of the highest order.

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#1329854 - 22/05/2015 11:11 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Cheers that comment is ofensive please take it down .

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#1329856 - 22/05/2015 11:17 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Tony Abbott is Pell's mate.
Pell is a creep.
Which part is offensive ?


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#1329867 - 22/05/2015 13:06 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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You are inferring that the PM has knowingly got a pedophile mate and condones the behaviour, that's whats wrong with your comment.

Maybe I've got it wrong, care to enlighten ?

Pretty cheap shot at our PM to be candid, why mention TA at all ?

I agree with GDL.

As far as the RC Church goes, it's a bldy disgrace and most other organisations worldwide would have been disenfranchised and sent to coventry by now.

The cover ups (and blind eyes turned) are undeniable by any standard and the Royal Commission hearing at Ballarat is just another example of what has gone on.

PELL, did someone say no Extradition Treaty between his current address and Aus. ?

Just a coincidence he's there ?
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#1329889 - 22/05/2015 18:24 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Tony Abbott is Pell's mate and is well known.
Tony Abbott has said he won't make Pell come back to Australia to front the Royal Commission.
A bit suspect don't you think.
Offensive it's not.

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#1329892 - 22/05/2015 18:43 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Pell said he would front the commission.They won't go hard on him till he arrives.Or he may not turn up i would say .Just my 2c.
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#1329895 - 22/05/2015 20:11 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Since when can the Prime Minister "make" or otherwise force a person overseas do anything, due process of law must take place - Democracies and all that !

PELL, regardless of our opinion of him, would have to be extradited to face a legal process in Australia by that proper process of law. I am not aware if the Royal Commission can apply for extradition of PELL to appear for interview by them.

Lacking a Prima Facie case against him its seem doubtful that extradition is applicable.

What could the P.M. do to "force" Pell to return to Aus Cheers, always interested to learn what legal process is applicable.

This is interesting -

"By specifying the crimes, Dalla Torre said, the new Vatican laws make it much easier for the Vatican to cooperate with other governments and even extradite a person who committed the crime elsewhere, but was trying to hide in the Vatican"

Further reading at -

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1302997.htm
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#1329896 - 22/05/2015 20:14 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: ozone doug]
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Pell said he would front the commission.They won't go hard on him till he arrives.Or he may not turn up i would say .Just my 2c.


If he comes back voluntarily it could only be hoped that he gets a good going over and enough evidence is educed to charge him with criminal offences.

Interesting times ahead.
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#1329897 - 22/05/2015 20:53 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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I dont know too much about our extradition treaties but i highly doubt the Vatican will allow a highly placed member be extradited for serious matters. Pell will be staying right where he is methinks.

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