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#1139704 - 12/11/2012 14:00 Royal Commission Catholic Church
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Should there be a Royal Commission into the Catholic Church about child sex abuse & the cover ups.
I say yes.
About bloody time.
Anyone who says NO must be hiding something,someone & trying to protect the Catholic Church.
Pell doesn't want it.
Why doesn't he want it.
Is he trying to hide something.
He looks very suspect to me.

As I said before.
IT'S ABOUT BLOODY TIME.

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#1139747 - 12/11/2012 17:49 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Julia has just announced a Royal Commission.
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#1139749 - 12/11/2012 18:35 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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The Royal Commission is looking into any institutional bodies and the Police, not just the Catholic Church. Sporting clubs, Scouts etc etc.


Edited by refstar (12/11/2012 18:35)

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#1139751 - 12/11/2012 18:39 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: refstar]
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Originally Posted By: refstar
The Royal Commission is looking into any institutional bodies and the Police, not just the Catholic Church. Sporting clubs, Scouts etc etc.

I think Pell & many others should be shaking in their boots.
About bloody time!

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#1139752 - 12/11/2012 18:42 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: refstar]
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As Arnoldnut knows I have been agitating for this to happen for a couple of years now - well done to all those concerned and yes it is time it happened now we just need the terms of reference to be broad enough to catch all these mongrels including those being hidden oveseas by the church.
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#1139754 - 12/11/2012 18:50 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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Pell should aready be in jail along with his bishops - but thats just how I see the whole sorid affair because there wouldn't have been a cover up if the catholic church (and catholic policemen/women) didn't think it was above the law and actively prevented criminal investigations for occuring when the crimes where reported.

There will be a lot of blowback when this comes out from the top down and a lot of police and lay people will end up with a case to amswer for. Bring it on.
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#1139756 - 12/11/2012 19:02 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
Pell should aready be in jail along with his bishops - but thats just how I see the whole sorid affair because there wouldn't have been a cover up if the catholic church (and catholic policemen/women) didn't think it was above the law and actively prevented criminal investigations for occuring when the crimes where reported.

There will be a lot of blowback when this comes out from the top down and a lot of police and lay people will end up with a case to amswer for. Bring it on.


Spot on SBT.
I agree with you 100%

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#1139759 - 12/11/2012 19:12 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Are there any reliable estimates on how much this Royal Commission is going to cost?

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#1139760 - 12/11/2012 19:15 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Seabreeze]
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I won't mention which Prime Minster in waiting thinks the sun shines from Pell's xxx. I rest my case about the intelligence of that man ( well both of them actually).
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#1139761 - 12/11/2012 19:20 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Seabreeze]
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Originally Posted By: Seabreeze
Are there any reliable estimates on how much this Royal Commission is going to cost?


Not yet but we have to have a Royal Commission,
No if's no buts.

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#1139766 - 12/11/2012 19:52 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Cheers]
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Definitely overdue. Find those responsible for the actions and the coverups and bury them. Not literally of course. It would be far better to see them suffer a somewhat similar experience in jail as they have dished out to others.

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#1139772 - 12/11/2012 20:36 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Brett Guy]
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It doesn't matter how much it is going to cost, the Catholic Church has deep pockets and they will be able to afford whatever costs are bought against them, of course the money will ultimately come from the poor church goers who will have to ante up the funds to pay for this. (Well thats what has happened in the USA anyway after damages has been paid out to all the individuals that claimed)

But there should also be a punative action taken against the church and forfeture of some prime real estate will no doubt defray a lot of the original costs as well as build a couple of new wings in a few state prisions to hold all those found guilty.
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#1139780 - 12/11/2012 21:26 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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The Royal Commission will cost tens of millions but we have to have it. This deplorable situation goes way beyond a few bad apples and strongly indicates that a systemic corruption that has taken root in the Church. It is absolutely essential that a strong light be shone into some very dark corners.

I am a lapsed Catholic. Even so, I recorded myself as a Catholic in last year's census. I respect the message, but now, for a number of reasons, not the institution. What I want, and what I am sure those still practising would want, would be for this vile corruption to be rooted out of the Church and those who perpetrate and protect it be exposed, feel the full force of the law and be removed from any position where they may harm vulnerable young children again.


Edited by Steve777 (12/11/2012 21:30)
Edit Reason: Clarification

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#1139783 - 12/11/2012 21:52 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: SBT]
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This Royal Commission was called to seek justice and hopeflly compensation for the victims of sexual abuse.Most school teachers,clergy,scoutleaders,ect have the best interests of the children in their care as their primary concern and fullfil their duty of care well.The Royal Commission can do its job without our help by venting our opinions and preduces about other members religions or pollital parties,dont write anything that offend,what we will read and hear will offend all of us greatley. This will be painfull for those who have any affiliation with those orginisations who are to face examination and we should remember they are as keen as the rest of to see justice done while still remaining loyal.There is no hatred in justice,there is in predudice....................The guilty will be punished without our help.

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#1139805 - 12/11/2012 23:27 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: GDL]
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Trust me guys, the Catholic Church are well protected and can't be sued.
They do not exist in Law in australia and at this moment there is no one to sue....google 'Pell vs Ellis NSW supreme court'

Time a few things were changed. No least a few laws.

Not over yet Wobbley ...but by [censored] we've made some ground on them. ;-)
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#1139809 - 12/11/2012 23:38 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Arnoldnut]
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I'm fascinated by where this might end up. Don't be surprised if the former owner of a major tourist resort in Queensland gets a mention.

Pedophilia is simply the lowest act of all. May justice find a way.
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#1139844 - 13/11/2012 09:55 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: ColdFront]
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We agree on something CF.

Arnoldnut. You are right in regards to criminal law, and yes this needs changing, and this may well be the catalyst to those changes. However, and now I could be wrong, the findings may be the grounds for a civil suit. Civil suits in general are more public in regards to what information could be seen by the public. This may have far greater implications for the church. As far as the individuals are concerned, the law is the law, and may it come down hard on these monsters.

Funny really isn't it ? It has taken an atheist PM to finally take on the Catholic Church, after years of government hand over ears action.

Good on you Julia Gillard and the ALP for having the guts to stand up to this corporation.

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#1139853 - 13/11/2012 10:12 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: slipperyfish]
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It's about time something was done about this and i agree with those who don't really care what the cost is.

It really does take some guts to make this decision as there are still heaps of religious voters who may not agree with it.

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#1139859 - 13/11/2012 10:32 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: Tom1234]
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You raise an interesting point Enrique however the vast majority of people find this disgusting so I doubt it will even be a factor or sway opinion politically. The fact is regardless of who announced it ,it needed to be done! I have always been confused by the level of protection these vermin seem to be given and why chemical castration hasn't been maniditory for the likes of Dennis Fergeson. They ruin the lives and the innocence of children and their families ffs.

Perhaps the most unfortunate part of this RC is that it is projected to take up to 10 years to complete and many of the victims may not actually be around to see justice done. They have to start somewhere though.
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#1139875 - 13/11/2012 12:03 Re: Royal Commission Catholic Church [Re: ColdFront]
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Both arnoldnut and myself have access to the very documents that the catholic church use as Stanadard Operating Procedures when a case is bought forward by a victim and let me just say that the only thing they are interested in is stopping any investigation from gaining publicity. Usually accomplished by threats of ex communication as a starting point. Not exactly what you would expect to see from a religion that is supposed to care about it's parishoners now is it?

My guess is that Pell will suddenly be promoted to a special post within the Vatican and he will remain there until he dies as a means of stopping him from being investigated. Arnoldnut is right, the church itself is bullet proof but individuals aren't. No religion has any standing above the law.

If a crime has been committed and you played an active part in hidding it then you are guilty of conspiracy to prevert the course of justice no matter what position you hold within any organisation. If you knowingly fail to notify the police of a crime you are also guilty of a similar offence.
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