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#1200409 - 22/06/2013 21:15 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: GDL]
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Another blow: Electricity bills become hostage to international coal prices, slated to rise

New Delhi: In a move which could hit the poll prospects of the incumbent government ahead of year ends assembly elections in five states and later the Lok Sabha polls, the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs decided on Friday to pass on the increased cost of imported coal to the consumers, thus causing electricity tariffs to rise.

Finance Minister P. Chidambaram said the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs has approved the pass through proposal, which would result increase in power tariff.

"There will be small increase in power tariff. It will be very marginal increase on unit cost of power depending upon the cost of import of coal," Chidambaram said briefing the media.

"They (IPPs) can import coal themselves if they wish, otherwise Coal India will import and this additional price which we pay for imported coal, obviously, has to be pass through in the power tariff," he added.

Chidambaram said: "It is better to have power and pay a few paise more or not have power at all. It is better to have our power plants working and producing power or keep them shut down after investing thousands of crores. For every MW today,

I think the capital cost is between Rs. 5-6 crore."

A Coal Ministry official said the move would result in higher power tariff to consumers.

"Though the quantum of the coal to imported has not been worked out but as per estimates if Coal India imports 15 per cent of coal, it would result in increase in electricity tariff by 15 paise to 17 paise per unit," the official said.

Chidambaram further said the government has initiated measures to augment production and "by first week of July certain other decisions will be taken to open up more coal mines and to produce more coal".

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/RAJ-JPR...299481-NOR.html
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#1200422 - 22/06/2013 21:58 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Old King Coal: the end is nigh

THINGS are happening that will see the end of Old King Coal.



He is a luxury we can no longer afford.

A recent report titled The Critical Decade 2013-Climate Change Science, Risks and Responses states that Australia’s fossil fuel industries, including of course coal, should be phased out because of their contribution to climate change.

The report recommends that if Australia is to pull its weight in combating climate change, most of its coal reserves will have to be left in the ground.

Australia has enough fossil fuel reserves to produce the equivalent of approximately 51 billion tonnes of greenhouse gases. If burnt, they would significantly contribute to an escalation of the earth’s temperature towards dangerous global warming.

To add to the woes of Old King Coal is the growing realisation that coal is not the cheapest energy alternative when its true cost is taken into consideration.

The true cost of coal includes direct environmental damage to water sources, land and food production, and infrastructure damage from extreme weather events due to rising greenhouse emissions caused by its consumption.


A major cost which must be considered when assessing the true cost of coal is that of the effect on human health caused by its mining, transporting and burning. All of these activities increase air pollution through the release of particulates and noxious gases.

When environmental damage and health factors are considered, coal could well be the most expensive energy alternative.

Old King Coal is being shown the door by the finance sector as well. The Deutsche Bank has warned that China’s use of thermal coal will peak by 2017, which will have an effect on coal prices.

This is compounded by the fact that China intends to set a cap on greenhouse emissions by 2016, which has major implications for the coal industry in Australia.

Carbon pricing also contributes to the demise of Old King Coal. Australia exports coal to countries such as Japan, China, South Korea and the European Union.

All of these countries are considering strategies to reduce carbon emissions through carbon pricing, which is bad news for coal.



Additionally, Old King Coal has to compete with an ever-increasing renewable energy market, which is becoming more and more popular with individual households and communities, and is opening up possibilities for energy provision using proven technology used to harness clean, renewable, free sources of energy on a large and small scale.

Old King Coal has served us well for 300 years but we are starting to realise his true cost, when we factor in the damage he has been doing to the environment and to our health.

We now have at our disposal proven alternatives that don’t harm our environment or our health, and are powered by free fuel. The time has now come for him to give way to a cleaner, healthier cheaper energy future.

http://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/story/1588511/old-king-coal-the-end-is-nigh/?cs=102
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#1200434 - 22/06/2013 22:36 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak
Old King Coal: the end is nigh

THINGS are happening that will see the end of Old King Coal.



He is a luxury we can no longer afford.

A recent report titled The Critical Decade 2013-Climate Change Science, Risks and Responses states that Australia’s fossil fuel industries, including of course coal, should be phased out because of their contribution to climate change.

The report recommends that if Australia is to pull its weight in combating climate change, most of its coal reserves will have to be left in the ground.

Australia has enough fossil fuel reserves to produce the equivalent of approximately 51 billion tonnes of greenhouse gases. If burnt, they would significantly contribute to an escalation of the earth’s temperature towards dangerous global warming.

To add to the woes of Old King Coal is the growing realisation that coal is not the cheapest energy alternative when its true cost is taken into consideration.

The true cost of coal includes direct environmental damage to water sources, land and food production, and infrastructure damage from extreme weather events due to rising greenhouse emissions caused by its consumption.


A major cost which must be considered when assessing the true cost of coal is that of the effect on human health caused by its mining, transporting and burning. All of these activities increase air pollution through the release of particulates and noxious gases.

When environmental damage and health factors are considered, coal could well be the most expensive energy alternative.

Old King Coal is being shown the door by the finance sector as well. The Deutsche Bank has warned that China’s use of thermal coal will peak by 2017, which will have an effect on coal prices.

This is compounded by the fact that China intends to set a cap on greenhouse emissions by 2016, which has major implications for the coal industry in Australia.

Carbon pricing also contributes to the demise of Old King Coal. Australia exports coal to countries such as Japan, China, South Korea and the European Union.

All of these countries are considering strategies to reduce carbon emissions through carbon pricing, which is bad news for coal.



Additionally, Old King Coal has to compete with an ever-increasing renewable energy market, which is becoming more and more popular with individual households and communities, and is opening up possibilities for energy provision using proven technology used to harness clean, renewable, free sources of energy on a large and small scale.

Old King Coal has served us well for 300 years but we are starting to realise his true cost, when we factor in the damage he has been doing to the environment and to our health.

We now have at our disposal proven alternatives that don’t harm our environment or our health, and are powered by free fuel. The time has now come for him to give way to a cleaner, healthier cheaper energy future.

http://www.centralwesterndaily.com.au/story/1588511/old-king-coal-the-end-is-nigh/?cs=102



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#1200441 - 22/06/2013 22:54 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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How in the world could that post be seen as trolling? It is an on topic article. You don't have to read it if it causes you distress.
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#1200444 - 22/06/2013 23:05 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: ColdFront]
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[quote=ColdFront Late last year several soft drink producers (including the big one ,coca cola) removed (very quietly) the caramel emulsifier from their soft drinks as it was found to cause cancer. No fanfare, no royal commission. [/quote]

I know this off topic but can someone point me in a direction with regards to soft drink companies removing their emulsifier, Working in the food industry this is quite an interest to me as we use emulsifiers and I've not heard of this and have been unable to find a Google answer.

still cant get this damn quote thing working properly with so much text going on...

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#1200445 - 22/06/2013 23:10 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: GDL]
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not true never forced to remove their emulsifier -still using the same one albeit slightly "modified" all because feeding rats the equivalent of 1000 cans a day caused cancer in RATS. Only California wanted a warning on the coke and other soft drinks using the caramel emulsifier. No other country appears to have concerns;


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/03...r-warning-label



Edited by liberator (22/06/2013 23:11)

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#1200449 - 22/06/2013 23:26 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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the issue is 4-MI found in caramel colouring, not the caramel colouring itself. I just hate miss truths - still being used in coke (and probably Pepsi) in Europe most likely being used world wide in cola soft drinks, For crying out loud its created when cooking meats - its part of the milliard reaction which causes food to go brown so its probably in most BBQ's and caramel lollies you eat. In fact its most likely found in any food that is cooked. Unless you can find a totally unbiased impartial web site - that's an oxymoron - you cannot trust anything you read on the web which is what makes all these arguments so annoying - you only want to believe what supports your arguments, the counter arguments are WRONG and it seem you don't care what others say, they have to be wrong because they don't support your argument.

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#1200456 - 23/06/2013 00:16 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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King Coal a winner for Australia


When coal was discovered in Australia in the late 18th century it immediately changed the country's future. It has become a vital national resource, provided strong economic and employment growth and contributed to both our history and our modern way of life.

In addition to providing Australian consumers with affordable electricity, coal underpins the international competitiveness of the entire Australian economy.

Black coal mining in Australia is an increasingly sophisticated, hi-tech activity. Continuous improvements in mining technology, occupational health and safety and environmental performance have ensured that Australia is the world's most efficient and reliable producer of high quality thermal and coking coals for the international market.

The coal industry is supported by a strong equipment and services sector. Australia has world-class expertise in design, construction and operation of mines, transport systems and loading facilities. It also has expertise in training, technical support and project management.



http://www.australiancoal.com.au/coal-in-australia-history.html












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#1200461 - 23/06/2013 00:29 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Liberator, the reason your quote didn't work was that you forgot to use the ] bracket at the end of the first part of the code.

Never let the truth ruin a good story Yasi, but then that is all you seem able to post, half truths with tentative links like equating the overseas coal prices and our power bills is a prime example.
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#1200483 - 23/06/2013 08:43 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
Never let the truth ruin a good story Yasi, but then that is all you seem able to post, half truths with tentative links like equating the overseas coal prices and our power bills is a prime example.


This is coming from the person who claims Renewables are the sole (one and only) reason for every increase in power power bills.

The article show a direct link between coal, coal prices and rises in power bills.
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#1200792 - 24/06/2013 08:57 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Tenaska drops Taylorville coal-plant project

A Nebraska company dropped plans to build a $3.5 billion coal-based power plant in central Illinois, saying it instead will focus on developing natural gas-fueled and renewable facilities elsewhere.

Omaha, Neb.-based Tenaska said a coal-gasification plant in the Christian County town of Taylorville was no longer viable, partly because lawmakers did not agree to a 30-year contract to purchase electricity from the plant, with the costs passed on to customers of utilities and competitive power suppliers.

It also said increasing supplies and lower costs of natural gas and renewable energy also affected its decision.

The plant would have converted Illinois coal to synthetic gas, which would have been used to create electricity. Emissions would have been captured and stored underground.

"We take a conservative approach to development, working to ensure projects will have a long-term market for their power before we begin construction," said Dave Fiorelli, Tenaska's president of development said in a written statement issued Friday.

He added that the "current market is in need of natural gas-fueled and renewable electric generating facilities."

The company had been pursuing the project for more than five years, but the plan faced strong opposition from Exelon Corp., Illinois' largest electricity provider, and manufacturers that said large businesses would have to pay more for power.

It was supported by unions, which said it would have created 2,500 construction jobs and 150 permanent jobs.

http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-region...eb1181210f.html
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#1200793 - 24/06/2013 09:05 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Wake up coal: Renewables is now the main game

It is staggering to observe that even in modern sophisticated economies such as the US, Australia and UK – which are supposed to have modern, sophisticated political systems (no really, don’t laugh) – that the role of renewables in the world’s future energy systems is constantly underplayed.

This has probably got something to do with the way that mainstream media handles the issue. In its pursuit of division, fear and controversy, it’s happy to oblige the tactics of delay and misinformation from the fossil fuel industry, that is seeking to protect and prolong several trillion dollars of investments and revenue streams.

[/u]Too often, renewable energy is portrayed as an expensive and unnecessary plaything or indulgence.[/b] But the media is not solely to blame. There is a shocking lack of vision at the political level too, with the notable exception of the Greens. Conservative political parties, in Australia in particular, [b][u]constantly use green energy as a scapegoat for problems elsewhere; often for superfluous and inefficient grid upgrades.

But one thing should be made clear: whichever way you cut the future energy outlook, and whichever way you attack the challenge of climate change and the goal of reducing emissions, two technology solutions dominate all others – energy efficiency and renewable energy.

Even if the pro-nuclear lobbies and those who still hold on to the dream of carbon capture and storage have their way, the investment in those technologies will pale in comparison to that needed for renewables – be it in solar PV or solar thermal with storage, wind energy (onshore and offshore), hydro, biomass, or the emerging technologies such as wave and tidal.

This is true on two counts. Already, solar PV – and the arrival of socket parity in more than 100 countries – is providing an economic rationale for investment in renewables, regardless of climate policies. Utility-scale wind is cheaper than new fossil fuel plants in many countries – particularly in energy starved developing nations in Africa and Asia – and utility-scale solar will follow soon enough. Once climate policy is taken into the equation, the impact is even more dramatic.

This first graph below – taken from the International Energy Agency’s recent “Redrawing the climate energy map” publication – probably best sums up the situation. It is the IEA’s take on where the greatest emissions reductions are going to take place in the energy industry if the world is going to meet its climate goals. This graph illustrates its “delayed” scenario, which takes into account the probability that governments will not ramp up their policy actions by 2014 – as would be prudent – but would delay a few years.

Energy efficiency and renewable energy sources account for well over half of the abatement. Nuclear and CCS – even if they meet the IEA’s optimistic scenarios, which, given the financing problems for nuclear and the technology challenges for CCS, is unlikely – they still account for less than one-quarter of anticipated abatement. If either of those two technologies fall short, then energy efficiency and renewables will have to take up the slack.

Full Story
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/wake-up-coal-renewables-is-now-the-main-game-14991
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#1200829 - 24/06/2013 10:57 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Simple reason why they aren't taken all that seriously - they don't work.
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#1201022 - 24/06/2013 20:32 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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You are going to still have to have coal-fired plants and everything else because people still want to have electricity even when the wind is not blowing.

— Coy Harris, executive director, American Wind Power Center and Museum, Lubbock, Texas, Voice of America, Mar. 10, 2009










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#1201104 - 25/06/2013 09:58 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: datadog]
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Now, every rise in coal prices may inflate your electricity bill


Jaipur: Consumers in Rajasthan should get ready for another hike in power tariff because of the recent decision of the Union government to allow electricity producers to pass on higher cost of imported coal to the consumers.

Coal-based thermal plants of Rajasthan make up to 76 per cent of the power produced in the state and out of the installed capacity of 4207.35 MW of power plants in the state, 3240

MW is from coal-based power plants.

Sources inform that the state should be ready for an increase of 15 to 17 paisa per unit in electricity tariff after the cost of imported coal is passed on to the consumers. However, the exact quantum of increase in price can be arrived at only in the coming months.

Senior officials of electricity department informed that because of increasing cost of imported coal from Indonesia, the costs of buying coal has been increased by more than 30 per cent in the past few months.

Though only 8-10 per cent of imported coal is mixed with the coal in the boilers but continuous increase in price will surely affect the consumers.

However, officials of Rajasthan Vidyut Utpadan Nigam Limited (RVUNL) maintain that there won’t be any effect on the prices.

“We have enough coal for three months based on our last year’s agreement, the decision needs to be studied on its effect on power plants in the state,” said NM Mathur, CMD RVUNL while speaking to dna.

“In my opinion it won’t have any effect, as it is we are getting the increased tariff approved from the regulatory commission,” added Mathur.

With shortage of gas for the gas-based power plants becoming a regular feature this year, Rajasthan’s dependence on coal-based power plants is increasing.

Problems with coal prices is going on since 2011 when in January the cost of coal for Rajasthan was increased by almost 80 per cent after Coal India Limited increased the prices.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/RAJ-JPR...300830-NOR.html
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#1201135 - 25/06/2013 12:00 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Greenwashing at its best? Put a wind turbine in front of it, and no one will notice that the coal and nuclear plants are still there, working away as much as ever.

— “Rucio”








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#1201236 - 25/06/2013 18:38 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: datadog]
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Dudgeon Point Coal Terminal Project to be canned

THE Australian Marine Conservative Society (AMCS) is calling for the Dudgeon Point Coal Terminal Project to be canned.

They reported that the project has been put on hold for 12 months.

The proposed project was poised to include two new coal exporting terminals, just north of Hay Point Coal Terminal.

AMCS say the port will have devastating effects on the Great Barrier Reef, if it were to go ahead.
http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/dudgeon-point-coal-port-expansion-put-hold/1920750/
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#1201255 - 25/06/2013 20:17 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Quote:
"AMCS say the port will have devastating effects on the Great Barrier Reef, if it were to go ahead."


Yasified shak, why do AMCS think there will be problems for the reef ?

I woulda thought any new ports facilities would have to be built to worlds best practice.









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#1201320 - 26/06/2013 09:18 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: datadog]
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Obama wants new limits on coal plants

WASHINGTON (CNN) —President Barack Obama unveiled an aggressive new climate change strategy on Tuesday that would limit pollution from existing coal-fired power plants, and he made clear that approval of the Keystone XL pipeline depended on the project not increasing overall greenhouse gas emissions.

Obama raised the two politically charged issues during a sweeping address on second-term environmental priorities that included his plan of executive actions that don't require congressional approval in an era of partisan gridlock in Washington.

He also pledged global leadership on climate change and to redouble U.S. efforts to fight it.

The Georgetown University speech came as environmental constituents and climate change advocates press him to take more aggressive action and to push harder for clean energy alternatives.

Obama said he was taking action for the "sake of our children and the health and safety of all Americans," saying new initiatives on his environmental agenda built around clean-energy industry and policy will spur the economy and leave a cleaner planet for future generations.

"We can do all of that as long as we don't fear the future and instead we seize it," Obama said, adding that his plan was a signal to the world that America would take bold action to reduce carbon pollution.

Obama pledged in 2009 the United States would cut greenhouse gas emissions by 17% of 2005 levels by 2020.

Environmentalists have said decisive action was necessary to make that goal possible with a major legislative effort in Congress failing in Obama's first term.

The president again said that U.S. energy strategy must be more than producing more petroleum, reviving his call for eliminating tax breaks for "big oil."

"We can't drill our way out of the energy and climate challenges that we face," he said, a familiar Democratic sentiment on energy policy.



Read more: http://www.ksbw.com/news/politics/obama-...l#ixzz2XGzD3p3u
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#1201322 - 26/06/2013 09:30 Re: Coal Fired Power - Dark and dirty side? [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Bye Bye coal....

Obama Cracks Down on Coal, Supports NatGas 'Bridge'

http://shaledaily.com/cgi-bin/session.pl...zA2MjZhLnNodG1s
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