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#1135512 - 25/10/2012 15:57 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
bd bucketingdown Offline
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I did not see any sm0kestacks in the huge area that now has shocking visual pollution, killing birds, noise annoying folk and making them move, because they can't stand the effects. How can environmentalists not go against them, besides the subsidies needed to keep them going!!!

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#1135521 - 25/10/2012 16:34 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Lets have a look at what actually comes out of those "chimney stacks spewing out pollution".

What are the facts on coal combustion?

When we burn any carbon fuel such as coal, oil, wood, gas, grass, candle sticks, cardboard or cow manure, it produces several gases. Burning a typical Australian thermal coal in air would produce mainly nitrogen (68%), carbon dioxide (21%), water vapour (7%), oxygen (1%), argon (1%) and ash (2%).

So 98% by weight of coal combustion products (the first five) are natural gases merely being recycled to the atmosphere from whence they came. None are toxic. All are invisible except for water vapour.

It is true that some coals when burnt can produce some SOX (oxides of sulphur) and NOX (oxides of nitrogen) but these are caught in modern filters and cleaners. Only small traces enter the air. They could be annoying, and would be dangerous if concentrated in city air, but EVERY normal component of coal is an essential plant nutrient, and far from being invariably toxic, is often in short supply in the broader environment. Anyone who raises crops or animals often needs to supplement soils, pastures or animal feeds with nitrogen, sulphur, phosphorus, calcium, magnesium, copper, zinc and selenium to name a few.

The few coal combustion products that are genuinely toxic in most concentrations, such as mercury or cadmium, occur rarely and in tiny quantities. If present, special filters are used to ensure they are not released from power stations. Australian coals are generally very low in mercury, indeed lower than in the average earth environment. Naturally occurring rocks containing mercury (as found at Cinnabar in Queensland), dental amalgams and the new "green" fluoro light bulbs represent a far greater mercury danger to humans.

But the main products of coal combustion, carbon dioxide and water, are not pollutants and not toxic.

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The wispy white vapour is steam, from the cooling towers, as harmless as what comes out of a boiling kettle.
The tall stack is the Exhaust Stack, emitting mostly invisible harmless natural gases: – nitrogen, carbon dioxide, oxygen and argon.
They all came from the atmosphere in the first place.


Edited by Greg Sorenson (25/10/2012 16:46)

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#1135528 - 25/10/2012 16:56 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: snafu]
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Could you please post the link to where you copied and pasted your post from snafu. It seems to have been written by Viv Forbes, who's views on coal are rather biased due to his links to mining. I'd also like the link to do some fact checking as well.
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#1135532 - 25/10/2012 17:00 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Wind and solar make up 100% of new US power capacity in Sept

September was tied for the hottest of any September on record globally. It was also a very hot month for renewable energy in the US. According to figures from the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, wind and solar accounted for all new electricity capacity added to America’s grid in September.

The projects consisted of five wind farms totaling 300 megawatts and 18 solar installations totaling 133 megawatts:



Renewable energy Analyst Kenneth Bossong initially reported on the figures.

“The remarkable expansion of renewable energy’s contribution to the nation’s electrical supply reflects continuing declines in costs, the impact of state renewable electricity standards, and the mix of tax and other incentives provided by the federal government,” said Bossong in an emailed statement.

As the chart above shows, the US has seen 4,055 MW of wind, 936 MW of solar, 340 MW of biomass, 123 MW of geothermal, 9 MW of hydro, and 3 MW of waste heat projects come online since January. This represents a 29 percent increase over the same period in 2011.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/wind-and-solar-make-up-100-of-new-us-power-capacity-in-sept-79895
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#1135537 - 25/10/2012 17:11 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: ROM]
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Wind and solar make up 100% of new US power capacity in Sept


The reason for this is that because of greentape, the costs of building a coal / gas powerplant is about 10X that of building it in China or India (off the top of my head so grain of salt etc) - whilst the cost of building a wind / solar plant is about 90% subsidised by the tax payer (again of the to my head).

Regardless - the green plants are not anywhere near as efficient as the conventional plants: I posted up in the other tread the list of a couple of dozen green energy failures in the US and the cost to the taxpayer. Criminal realy.

http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthrea...cam#Post1133999
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#1135607 - 25/10/2012 22:38 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee

“The remarkable expansion of renewable energy’s contribution to the nation’s electrical supply reflects continuing declines in costs, the impact of state renewable electricity standards, and the mix of tax and other incentives provided by the federal government,” said Bossong in an emailed statement.


I wonder what would be the contribution without the state and federal intervention in the market? With a 'level' playing field?

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#1135625 - 26/10/2012 00:24 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
Could you please post the link to where you copied and pasted your post from snafu. It seems to have been written by Viv Forbes, who's views on coal are rather biased due to his links to mining. I'd also like the link to do some fact checking as well.

Here are two articles by Forbes:

Is Coal Dirty?

The Ins and Outs of Coal Fired Power Generation

My comment was taken from the first link.

In reply to your quote, "who's views on coal are rather biased due to his links to mining"

So what?

Who else would you like tell you the by-products of burning coal - Iain Hewitson from 'Huey's Cooking Adventures'? Sorry, but 'google' only returned recipes for 'Huey'.

Viv Forbes won an Open Scholarship to the University of Queensland and obtained a degree in Applied Science. Since graduation he has studied economics, politics, climatology and financial analysis.

He has spent his life working in exploration, mining, farming, infrastructure, financial analysis and political commentary. He has worked for government departments, private companies and now works as a private contractor and farmer.

He was awarded the "Australian Adam Smith Award for Services to the Free Society" in 1988, and has written widely on political, technical and economic subjects.



'Pot calling the kettle black' I think.

Al Gore, made $500,000+ profits from mining royalties, specifically the mining of zinc adjacent to his property that he leased in Tennessee, which has released millions of pounds of potentially toxic substances into the environment. The mine has been closed since 2003. Strategic Resource Acquisition was planning to re-open the mine (2007). Gore sent a letter asking the company to work with Earthworks, a national environmental group, to make sure the operation doesn’t damage the environment. "We would like for you to engage with us in a process to ensure that the mine becomes a global example of environmental best practices" - 4 years after he pocketed a cool half mil in profits from the same mine with complete disregard to the environment!

In his childhood, during the summer months he worked on the family farm in Carthage, Tennessee, where the Gores grew tobacco.

His company, which he is co-founder and chair, Generation Investment Management LLP (GIM), has huge interests and investments in renewable energy. In 2007, GIM announced a global collaboration to "find, fund and accelerate green business, technology and policy solutions with the greatest potential to help solve the current climate crisis."

He has no degree in atmospheric sciences, meteorology, physics, chemistry, biology, or climatology. Gore took two science classes as an undergraduate, scoring a "C+" in one and a "D" in the other.


So when you look at it, 'Big' Al is no different than any other pro-AGW person 'supposedly' funded by 'Big Oil/Coal/whatever', and also his interests and investments in renewable energy makes him 'rather biased'.
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#1135627 - 26/10/2012 00:59 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Originally Posted By: bd bucketingdown
The environmental visual pollution in SA by these horrible looking masses of things is something shocking!!!


I'm somewhat a greeny and I agree, these things are bloody awful to look at and are everywhere, the fact that they're building more at Snowtown depresses me. If you stand on a hill near my hometown, you can see them in 3 out of the 4 points on a compass.
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#1135629 - 26/10/2012 01:21 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Markus]
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What's wrong with this picture?





If you didn't guess - it's solar panels on top of a cemetery at Santa Coloma de Gramenet, outside of Barcelona, Spain.

Grave warming: Spanish town erects solar panels above coffins to combat climate change

How would you feel if your children, parents, or grand parents were buried there?
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#1135631 - 26/10/2012 02:34 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: snafu]
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Are some of them in shadow? I wonder for how long each day?
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#1135635 - 26/10/2012 05:19 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: snafu]
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Originally Posted By: snafu
What's wrong with this picture?





If you didn't guess - it's solar panels on top of a cemetery at Santa Coloma de Gramenet, outside of Barcelona, Spain.

Grave warming: Spanish town erects solar panels above coffins to combat climate change

How would you feel if your children, parents, or grand parents were buried there?


From the article...

Quote:
The 462 panels produce power equivalent to the yearly use by 60 homes.

It will flow into the local energy grid for normal consumption and is the community's odd nod to the fight against global warming.

'The best tribute we can pay to our ancestors, whatever your religion may be, is to generate clean energy for new generations. That is our leitmotif,' said Esteve Serret, director Conste-Live Energy, a Spanish company that runs the cemetery in Santa Coloma and also works in renewable energy.


That is so touching don't you think, what a wonderful tribute to their dearly departed.


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#1135643 - 26/10/2012 07:43 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
bd bucketingdown Offline
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"a Spanish company that runs the cemetery in Santa Coloma and also works in renewable energy."....that says it all....money making....how touching!

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#1135647 - 26/10/2012 07:58 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Money making is a perfectly fine pursuit in a capitalist world so I really don't see a problem there.

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Renewable energy target succeeding: report

AUSTRALIA'S renewable energy target (RET) has driven $18.5 billion of investment in clean power and eroded wholesale energy prices since it was introduced a decade ago, a new report suggests.

The Clean Energy Council analysis released on Thursday finds wholesale prices are as much as $10 per megawatt hour lower as a result of the RET being in place since 2001.

The target is meant to ensure 20 per cent of Australia's electricity comes from renewable sources by 2020.

It's currently being reviewed by the Climate Change Authority amid speculation that softer demand and the popularity of rooftop solar panels means the 20 per cent target may be exceeded.

Critics say overshooting the target would unnecessarily drive up retail power bills.

But the council-commissioned report by SKM MMA states the RET is doing its job and if left unchanged will result in 12 per cent less coal-fired generation between now and 2030.

Gas-fired generation is estimated to drop 13 per cent.

"Retaining the current RET will also mean we can meet the bulk of our target for reducing carbon emissions with renewable energy projects right here in Australia," council chief executive David Green said in a statement on Thursday.

"But all this is under threat if governments succumb to pressure to tinker with or drop the renewable energy target."

Thursday's report suggests that without the RET Australia would not have met its Kyoto emission-reduction goals.

It suggests the target could deliver an extra $18.7 billion in renewable energy infrastructure by 2030, on top of the $18.5 billion already invested.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breakin...f-1226503189958
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#1135661 - 26/10/2012 09:26 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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It is not the making money, but the way it is being made on a sensetive cemetery site! I would rather have trees and flower growing over graves sites & so would most folk I would think You want to go to Flanders and see solar panels everywhere instead of fields of poppies...not a nice look imo!

I am not against renewable energy, but those who do not have solar subsidise the few who do, and we all subsidise wind power too. make them cost efficient and put them in appropriate places not blighting the scenery please...not too much to ask is it?!


Edited by bd bucketingdown (26/10/2012 09:27)

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#1135664 - 26/10/2012 09:40 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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AUSTRALIA'S renewable energy target (RET) has driven $18.5 billion of investment in clean power and eroded wholesale energy prices since it was introduced a decade ago, a new report suggests.


And that's why we're paying the lowest ever electricity prices now... wink
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#1135672 - 26/10/2012 10:17 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Arnost]
bd bucketingdown Offline
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Yes, that is why many poorer folk have to turn off the heaters in winter lots, and go without many other appliances/lighting and food also to survive!
Because the power bills have dropped so much! (sarc)

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#1136885 - 31/10/2012 16:16 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: bd bucketingdown]
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Scotland aims for 100% renewable energy by 2020

Scotland has set a goal of meeting half its electricity demand from renewable sources by 2015, after reaching 35 percent last year, according to Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister.

The target is an interim step in Scotland's effort to get all of its power from clean sources by 2020, after beating its 2011 goal of 31 percent, according to data from the U.K. Department of Energy and Climate Change.

Setting the mid-stage target will help provide energy security, environmental sustainability and employment opportunities, Salmond said today in an e-mailed statement.

“ Scotland's renewable energy production offsets our carbon emissions by 15 percent -- the equivalent of taking around 3.5 million cars off the roads,” Salmond said. “In total, 11,000 people are now employed in the renewable-energy sector.”

Scotland has as much as a quarter of Europe's tidal and offshore wind resources and about 10 percent of its wave power potential, according to the Scottish government. Offshore wind may support as many as 28,000 direct jobs by 2020, Salmond said.

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#1136904 - 31/10/2012 16:51 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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List of conventional and renewable power for Scotland. Yep - wave, wind and solar will definately be able to replace all these in 8 years - not.
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#1145303 - 28/11/2012 12:06 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: SBT]
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Fanning fear: the wind farm nocebo effect

Most wind farms around the world have no history of complaints, but the few that do have seen the local area targeted by external activists who spread panic. Simon Chapman reflects on the nonsense claims of anti-wind farm activists.

Later today, the Senate will release the report of a committee into a Private Senators' Bill examining the proposal that wind turbines should not be accredited if the sound emitted exceeds 10 decibels of the background noise at any time, measured within 22 metres of a house.

The Bill was proposed by Democratic Labor Party Senator John Madigan and independent Senator Nick Xenophon. Both have form in expressing opposition to wind farms.

Like Don Quixote who tilted at windmills, Madigan previously claimed (PDF) he was fighting a "sinister" and "dangerous" industry and Xenophon believes turbines affect brain activity.

No one following the latest historical example of what is quite plainly technophobic Luddism has any doubt that the tabling will see a minority report that the proposed standard be adopted. The bill will be defeated on party lines, with the Greens supporting the Government. But it has provided a conduit for a Niagara of mostly boilerplate protest material from the tiny but highly organised opponent groups.

While the bill is purportedly about noise levels in the audible spectrum, the focus of many fear-laden submissions has been around the sub-audible low-frequency noise - infrasound - that wind turbines (and pretty much all machines) create. While studies have shown that Australians living near the coast or in cities are constantly subject to far greater 'doses' of infrasound, apparently the sort emitted by wind turbines has a special flavour that causes a never-before-seen medical condition.

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#1148829 - 12/12/2012 12:00 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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U.S. Installs Record Amount Of Solar So Far In 2012: Analyst Calls It The ‘Opening Act’ For Q4 Boom

Almost exactly a year ago, during the height of the Solyndra hysteria, Mitt Romney made a rather odd statement about solar. (Yes, we’re still talking about Romney).
“When other solar companies saw Solyndra get $530 million from the government, investors pulled back in that industry,” he said. “So instead of encouraging solar development, the Obama administration hurt it.”

Actually, the statement wasn’t just odd. It was a flat out lie. In reality, the U.S. solar industry installed record amounts of solar in 2011 while bringing in nearly $2 billion in venture capital. And moving into 2012, that trend continued. In the second quarter of this year, U.S. solar installations jumped 116 percent over the same period in 2011, partly driven by large installations supported by the very loan guarantee program that Romney claimed was killing solar.

And according to Shayle Kann, vice president of research at GTM Research, that deployment was just “the opening act” for the final quarter of this year. According to a new report from GTM and the Solar Energy Industries Association, the U.S. market could see 1.2 gigawatts of solar photovoltaics installed through January, bringing 2012 installations to 3.2 gigawatts. That’s enough capacity to power about half a million average American homes.



The report shows that installers deployed 684 megawatts of projects last quarter, representing 44 percent growth over the third quarter of 2011.

The continued boom in the solar market means more jobs and better economics.

According to a census of the solar industry conducted by the Solar Foundation, the sector now employs more than 119,000 Americans — an increase of 13,872 workers over 2011.

And as more systems get deployed and businesses get more efficient, the price of solar continues to fall. According to the GTM analysis, solar PV system prices fell from $5.45 per watt to $5.21 per watt. Price declines were even greater in the utility sector, with system prices falling to $2.40 per watt — a 30 percent drop since the same period last year.

This matches historic declines in price reported by the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. A recent analysis from LBNL found that U.S. residential and commercial solar PV systems fell 5 to 7 percent each year between 1998 and 2011. (Interestingly, even with these consistent drops, the installed price of solar in the U.S. is still nearly double that of Germany, which hosts a much more mature solar market).

After all the political hand-wringing about solar during the U.S. election, this report shows the industry is indeed chugging along in the U.S. While some key states may see a downturn in installs next year, America’s share of the global market continues to expand. With a 70 percent growth rate expected in 2012, the U.S. will soon represent 10 percent of the world market.

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