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#1200170 - 21/06/2013 19:11 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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"‘If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models. ‘

J Bryan Kramer writes of this interview with IPCC lead author Hans Van Storch in SPIEGEL.
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Hallo there guys and gals...are you listening here to Hans Van Storch from IPCC!!!

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/20/if...els/#more-88525

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#1200178 - 21/06/2013 19:53 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Green consenus is moldy and very boring. >>>>>>>>>>>>>GDL

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#1200239 - 22/06/2013 07:51 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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The coming crisis for the oceans

The world’s oceans are getting hotter, higher, more acidic, and more polluted. On one hand it’s happening slowly. On the other hand it’s fast.

Incredibly fast.

The oceans have warmed more than half a degree in fifty years. Corals don’t like hot water. They expel their symbiotic algae resulting in bleaching, and coral death. The oceans are 30% more acidic compared with pre-industrial times. Animals with shells will struggle and disappear with the changed water chemistry. And so will the fish that feed upon them.

Fish are fleeing the heat. They are moving polewards. This is leading to loss of diversity in tropical waters, and increased competition in polar waters. The warmer water reduces productivity and rates of growth. This is happening as we expect to take more from the sea for a human population not expected to peak until mid-century.

In this address given at the University of Sydney in 2013, Callum Roberts describes the pressures on the world’s oceans and their ominous future. He says the world’s oceans have changed more in the past thirty years than during the whole of human history.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/the-coming-crisis-for-the--oceans/4735314
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#1200255 - 22/06/2013 09:08 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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And you believe in the science CB. . . of what sort of science? Science Fiction, Science Fantasy?
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#1200260 - 22/06/2013 09:42 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Except that no data is showing it.

Can you please provide the link to the data that is showing the warming?

KNMI explorer shows no warming, and the SH oceans are cooling.
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#1200324 - 22/06/2013 14:20 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee

The coming crisis for the oceans

The world’s oceans are getting hotter, higher, more acidic, and more polluted. On one hand it’s happening slowly. On the other hand it’s fast.

Incredibly fast.

The oceans have warmed more than half a degree in fifty years. Corals don’t like hot water. They expel their symbiotic algae resulting in bleaching, and coral death. The oceans are 30% more acidic compared with pre-industrial times. Animals with shells will struggle and disappear with the changed water chemistry. And so will the fish that feed upon them.

Fish are fleeing the heat. They are moving polewards. This is leading to loss of diversity in tropical waters, and increased competition in polar waters. The warmer water reduces productivity and rates of growth. This is happening as we expect to take more from the sea for a human population not expected to peak until mid-century.

In this address given at the University of Sydney in 2013, Callum Roberts describes the pressures on the world’s oceans and their ominous future. He says the world’s oceans have changed more in the past thirty years than during the whole of human history.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/the-coming-crisis-for-the--oceans/4735314



'Corals don't like hot water'... Interesting. I guess that is why they live near the poles eh?


'The oceans are 30% more acidic"... Interesting. I thought the oceans were alkaline?


'Fish are fleeing the heat.They are moving polewards"... Interesting. Maybe you should see what the Australian Salmon(Arippus trutta) has done over the last decade. Generally a cold water fish found around the southern half of australia they are regularly being found in large numbers uch further north than their generally accepted range.

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#1200328 - 22/06/2013 14:49 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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SST's get up to 29C around here in the Wet Season and yet they still haven't died off. Of course most scientists wouldn't know that unless they actually took readings or maybe looked at the BoM SST page every now and then and then looked at the GBR. wink
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#1200336 - 22/06/2013 16:24 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Corals formed when C02 was 7000 ppm.

So at 400 ppm they are doomed.
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#1200480 - 23/06/2013 08:15 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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For your Sunday reading pleasure I present an exchange between John O'Sullivan of Principia Scientific International and Lord Christopher Monckton.

Enjoy!

http://globalpoliticalshenanigans.blogsp...monckton-v.html
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#1200489 - 23/06/2013 09:08 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Bahahahahahahaha... Its clowns like this that re-iterate the fact that the man-made global warming THEORY is nonsense...

Media Fail: John Cook’s Atom Bombs
News stories citing and quoting a single individual (a self-described non-climate-scientist) make declarations about climate change and atomic weapons.
According to his official biography at Australia’s Queensland University, John Cook is a researcher/postdoctoral fellow. He is the creator of the misleadingly-titled SkepticalScience.com website (it’s a ferocious defender of non-skeptical climate thought).

Over at The Conversation website, Cook’s profile says he earned a bachelor of science back in 1989. Although he currently holds three positions with two different Australian universities – adjunct researcher, adjunct lecturer, and climate communication research fellow – no other academic degrees are listed. We’re advised that his current research interests are in “Psychology And Cognitive Sciences.”

Those of us unfamiliar with Australian academia are left scratching our heads. If Cook has completed a Masters and a PhD why doesn’t his bio say so? If he hasn’t, how can he be a postdoctoral fellow?

Between 1995 and 2010, Cook was the creator of a popular web-based comic strip. In 2011, the Australian museum recognized the contribution Cook’s SkepticalScience website has made to the “Advancement of Climate Change Knowledge.” Cook pocketed $10,000 and can now claim to have won a prestigious Eureka Prize.

I invite you to visit the official web page where the awarding of that prize is announced. It begins in this oh-so-scientific manner:
Climate-change deniers have nowhere to hide thanks to an ingenious piece of software that detects inaccurate statements on global warming that appear on the internet and delivers an automated response on Twitter citing peer-reviewed scientific evidence.
The so-called ‘Twitter-bot’ is the brainchild of Australian webmaster John Cook and software developer Nigel Leck, and is part of an armoury of tools Cook has developed to rebut common myths and inaccuracies about climate change. [bold added, page backed up here]
The SkepticalScience website itself has a bio of Cook which includes this line: “He is not a climate scientist.”
Which is why we can expect him to be writing with all haste to the news outlet FrenchTribune.com to request a correction to today’s story headlined Climate Change Likened to Atom Bomb by Scientists.
Although that article talks about “climate scientists” it names and quotes exactly one person – Cook himself. Moreover, the claims here are nothing short of fantastical. It says that climate scientists have given figures of rising and changing climate. These figures are almost like a warning that states that escalating temperatures are equivalent to four Hiroshima bombs in a week.
They’ve completely attributed the condition to human actions.
It’s clear that this reporter’s first language is not English, so I’m sure she has misunderstood. No official document of which I’m aware has declared humans 100% responsible for current temperature trends (see, for example, the discussion here).

http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/06/22/media-fail-john-cooks-atom-bombs/


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#1200490 - 23/06/2013 09:12 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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He is a paid puppet to sprout nonsense.

Including that ACCESS had to change the colour scheme for 54 degrees.

Never mentioned that it was a model run 158 hours out, or that it didn't happen.

Or that C02 has exploded since 1996 and resulted in no warming.
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#1200503 - 23/06/2013 10:27 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Meanwhile to get the thread back on track:


Hans von Storch: Why Is Global Warming Stagnating?
Date: 21/06/13

(1) http://www.thegwpf.org/hans-von-storch-global-warming-stagnating/

Der Spiegel

Climate experts have long predicted that temperatures would rise in parallel with greenhouse gas emissions. But, for 15 years, they haven’t. In a SPIEGEL interview, meteorologist Hans von Storch discusses how this “puzzle” might force scientists to alter what could be “fundamentally wrong” models.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Storch, Germany has recently seen major flooding. Is global warming the culprit?

Storch: I’m not aware of any studies showing that floods happen more often today than in the past. I also just attended a hydrologists’ conference in Koblenz, and none of the scientists there described such a finding.

SPIEGEL: But don’t climate simulations for Germany’s latitudes predict that, as temperatures rise, there will be less, not more, rain in the summers?

Storch: That only appears to be contradictory. We actually do expect there to be less total precipitation during the summer months. But there may be more extreme weather events, in which a great deal of rain falls from the sky within a short span of time. But since there has been only moderate global warming so far, climate change shouldn’t be playing a major role in any case yet.

SPIEGEL: Would you say that people no longer reflexively attribute every severe weather event to global warming as much as they once did?

Storch: Yes, my impression is that there is less hysteria over the climate. There are certainly still people who almost ritualistically cry, “Stop thief! Climate change is at fault!” over any natural disaster. But people are now talking much more about the likely causes of flooding, such as land being paved over or the disappearance of natural flood zones — and that’s a good thing.

SPIEGEL: Will the greenhouse effect be an issue in the upcoming German parliamentary elections? Singer Marius Müller-Westernhagen is leading a celebrity initiative calling for the addition of climate protection as a national policy objective in the German constitution.

Storch: It’s a strange idea. What state of the Earth’s atmosphere do we want to protect, and in what way? And what might happen as a result? Are we going to declare war on China if the country emits too much CO2 into the air and thereby violates our constitution?

SPIEGEL: Yet it was climate researchers, with their apocalyptic warnings, who gave people these ideas in the first place.

Storch: Unfortunately, some scientists behave like preachers, delivering sermons to people. What this approach ignores is the fact that there are many threats in our world that must be weighed against one another. If I’m driving my car and find myself speeding toward an obstacle, I can’t simple yank the wheel to the side without first checking to see if I’ll instead be driving straight into a crowd of people. Climate researchers cannot and should not take this process of weighing different factors out of the hands of politics and society.
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#1200504 - 23/06/2013 10:28 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Peter Lilley: Is Catastrophic Global Warming A 21st Century Green Faith?
Date: 22/06/13

(1) http://www.thegwpf.org/peter-lilley-catastrophic-global-warming-21st-century-green-faith/


Peter Lilley, Huffington Post

G.K. Chesterton said that “when people stop believing in orthodox religion, rather than believe in nothing, they will believe in anything”. One of the ersatz religions which fills the void in recent years is belief in Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming. It claims to be based on science. But it has all the characteristics of an eschatological cult.

It has its own priesthood and ecclesiastical establishment – the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change; they alone can interpret its sacred scriptures – the Assessment Reports; it anathematises as ‘deniers’ anyone who casts doubt on its certainties; above all it predicts imminent doom if we do not follow its precepts and make the sacrifices it prescribes.

What most clearly distinguishes the Catastrophic Global Warming cult from science is that it is not refutable by facts. As Parliament enacted the Climate Change Bill, on the presumption that the world was getting warmer, it snowed in London in October – the first time in 74 years. Supporters explained “extreme cold is a symptom of global warming”!

The Met Office – whose climate model is the cult’s crystal ball to forecast centuries ahead – has made a series of spectacularly unreliable short term forecasts: “Our children will not experience snow” (that was 2000, before the recent run of cold winters), a barbecue summer (before the dismal 2011 summer), the drought will continue (last spring before the wettest summer on record). Now they say that rain and floods are the new normal. But – hot or cold, wet or dry – global warming is always to blame.

Alarmists are reluctant to admit that the global surface temperature has not increased for 16 years, despite CO2 emissions rising far more than predicted. They wave this inconvenient truth away with the non-sequitur that this decade is the hottest since records began, so the world is still warming. If you climb a hill and reach a flat plateau you are higher than before – but the plateau is flat, not rising. When cornered, global warming alarmists assert that the current pause is simply the result of unspecified ‘natural variations’. That implies that the pronounced warming over the previous 25 years may have been amplified by ‘natural variations’ in the other direction. In which case, the likely temperature rise for a given increase in CO2 may be less than previously estimated or required to produce the threatened doom.

In 2006 I asked how long the pause in warming would have to persist before the Met Office would revise its model. They replied that, since it is based on known laws of physics, they would never adjust it. Just like the German philosopher Hegel, who claimed to derive the laws of nature from first principles: when told that the facts did not agree with his theories, Hegel replied: “So much the worse for the facts”! Climate models do incorporate some established physical laws including the basic greenhouse effect which, having studied physics at Cambridge, I accept. This implies that doubling the concentration of CO2 will raise the temperature by a fairly harmless 1.2ºC. But the models amplify this several fold using assumptions about complex phenomena which cannot yet be reduced to simple physical laws.
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#1200505 - 23/06/2013 10:30 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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The German Solar Disaster: 21 Billion Euros Burned
Date: 19/06/13
(1) http://www.thegwpf.org/german-solar-disaster-21-billion-euros-burned/

Thiemo Heeg, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

Large German companies such as Siemens and Bosch are abandoning the solar industry. Their strategies resulted in debacles – their investments in solar power companies cost them billions.

The author and former television journalist Franz Alt is a militant solar lobbyist. On his website, the 74-year-old, who wrote his doctoral thesis about Konrad Adenauer, gushes: “The sun sends daily 15,000 times more energy than all six billion people consume currently. This offer, we feel, is a godsend. We use the energy from the boss himself very much. It is environmentally friendly, climate-friendly, it’s free and yet sufficient for 4.5 billion years. We assure you that the sun has never sent us a bill.”

Could it be that Alt has solar panels on the roof (and thus has benefited from the lush subsidies for solar power for years), but no solar stocks in the portfolio? If he had, he would see the thing about solar energy being “free” a bit different: because the sun does send an invoice after all. Although not to him; but to the broad band of small shareholders, for example, who believed in the growth of the industry in the good times and eagerly bought shares – or to many large corporations which also invested in solar power and solar heat, and now withdraw disillusioned from their investments.

Green strategy resulted in debacle

Recently, Siemens had to make this expensive experience. On Monday, the group announced that the solar division will shut down. By the spring of next year, the loss-making division is to be completely closed. Thus, a final attempt, lasting seven months, to find a buyer was ultimately unsuccessful. Affected by this decision are 280 employees, most of them in Israel. With the purchase of the Israeli company Solel, CEO Peter Löscher entered the market for solar thermal systems, from which he had expected rapid growth. The strategy resulted in a debacle: All in all, Siemens lost around one billion Euros. The closure alone will cost the company a double-digit million amount.

Wertverluste in der Solarbranche

Losses in the German solar industry

For Bosch too, the eclipse came faster than expected. In March, the automotive supplier announced its withdrawal from the business with solar cells and solar modules. The production will end in early 2014, as will its sales and development. Due to the withdrawal, 3,000 employees at locations in eastern Germany, especially in Thüringen, are facing unemployment. Bosch board chairman Franz Fehrenbach, the main man in charge, had been driving the entry into the solar business since 2008 . When the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung asked him “Is the industry doomed to die?”, he answered depressingly, “For Germany, it looks like it is, unfortunately.”

The reasons for pulling out of solar are similar to those of the other manufacturers of solar modules and cells, which, one after another, slipped into the red or even had to file for bankruptcy since the end of 2011: Bosch had failed to restore the competitiveness of the division Solar Energy – because of the strong price erosion of up to 40 percent. The investment in the photovoltaic industry has cost the electronics company even more money than Siemens: around 2.4 billion Euros. Additional costs will be incurred by the social plan. The company has fully depreciated a total investment of 1.56 billion Euros by the end of 2012. In addition, there were also operating losses of 750 million Euros.

Capital losses of more than 21 billion Euros

Compared to what investors have lost as a result of their investments in solar stocks, however, these sums are almost negligible amounts. The former stars at the stock exchange, SolarWorld and Q-Cells, have destroyed tens of billions of capital. In December 2007, the solar cell and module manufacturer Q-Cells, listed with a market value of more than 11 billion Euros, was one candidate for promotion to the first tier in the stock exchange. As sufficiently known, this did not happen after all.

Instead, the company had to file for bankruptcy in 2012 and was bought by a Korean company; the private investors lost practically everything. SolarWorld AG, whose founder Frank Asbeck was called Sun King in the good times, now depends on new investors.

Translation Philipp Mueller
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#1200507 - 23/06/2013 10:34 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Climate scientist: Global warming models could be ‘fundamentally wrong’

3:53 PM 06/21/2013

(1) http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/21/climat.../#ixzz2WzkZQfg4
In an interview with the German news publication Der Spiegel, meteorologist Hans von Storch said that scientists are so puzzled by the 15-year standstill in global warming that if the trend continues their models could be “fundamentally wrong.”

“If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models,” Storch told Der Spiegel. “A 20-year pause in global warming does not occur in a single modeled scenario. But even today, we are finding it very difficult to reconcile actual temperature trends with our expectations.”

Environmentalists have been increasingly calling on President Obama to address global warming before it becomes irreversible. The World Bank reported that global temperatures could rise by 4 degrees Celsius over the next century if greenhouse gas emissions aren’t brought under control. Many world leaders are committed to limit the increase to 2 degrees Celsius.

“The scientists tell us that if the world warms by two degrees Centigrade (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) — warming which may be reached in 20 to 30 years — that will cause widespread food shortages, unprecedented heat waves, and more intense cyclones,” said World Bank president Jim Yong Kim in a statement.

Yet global warming skeptics have pointed to a halt in global warming about 15 years ago. Climate scientists have recently started lowering their warming forecasts.

“There are two conceivable explanations — and neither is very pleasant for us,” said Storch. “The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn’t mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed.”

“The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes,” Storch added.

The UN’s climate authority predicted that global temperatures will rise between 1 degree Celsius and 3 degrees Celsius in the short term. However, UK researchers recently reported that global temperatures will only rise between 0.9 degrees Celsius and 2.0 degrees Celsius — echoing a finding by Norwegian researchers that global temperatures will only rise 1.9 degrees Celsius

“Certainly the greatest mistake of climate researchers has been giving the impression that they are declaring the definitive truth,” said Storch. “The end result is foolishness along the lines of the climate protection brochures recently published by Germany’s Federal Environmental Agency under the title ‘Sie erwärmt sich doch’ (‘The Earth is getting warmer’). Pamphlets like that aren’t going to convince any skeptics.”
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#1200540 - 23/06/2013 12:16 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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The carbon tax is a crime

HOLDEN workers meet at the company's Elizabeth plant in Adelaide this week to discuss a proposed 500 job cuts. The company has previously called the carbon tax "heavy and unfair"

The Coalition's plan to dump Labor's failed carbon dioxide tax will give the nation a boost should it put the government to rout in 82 days - but the renewable energy scam must be also be axed.

Australians are paying a huge price for nothing more than Green feel-good vanity politics that do nothing for the environment, the economy, the nation or the globe.

Last week, Maurice Newman, a former chairman of the Australian Stock Exchange and the ABC, and long regarded as one of the country's most respected business figures, told The Guardian that continuing taxpayer subsidies for the renewable energy target (RET) represented a "crime against the people".

Newman owns a property near a proposed wind farm in the NSW southern highlands and may be considered to have a conflict. But his argument against the expensive subsidies relies also on their effect on poorer households, and the apparent collapse of the scientific argument.

"When we look at the experience of Germany, they have not been successful in reducing emissions; when we look at the science it no longer supports the global warming theory; and when we look at the health and economic effects of wind farms and the obscene wealth transfer from poor to rich we have to ask: 'why are we persisting with them?' I think it is a crime against the people," he said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-carbon-tax-is-a-crime/story-fni0cwl5-1226668058889

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#1200547 - 23/06/2013 12:35 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Best quote I have found so far.


(1) http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/21/members-quitting-the-american-meteological-society-over-stance-on-climate/#more-88540|

Originally Posted By: Harold Lewis is Emeritus Professor of Physics at the University of California
It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.
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#1200592 - 23/06/2013 17:44 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Hell Hath no Fury like a Denier Scorned or The Only People who Accept Science are Paid Trolls? WUWT?

Tell me your real name, occupation and source of income or I'll ban you!

Anthony Watts and his band of deniers are predictable. Hell hath no fury like a denier faced with facts. In a recent thread you can see what happens. Here is a rundown.

A commenter by the name of Jai has been reminding WUWT readers about numbers and science and the dearth of deniers in the world. Anthony Watts is not about to let any nonsense such as facts get in the way of a good yarn.

Jai gets an avalanche of attention for saying scientists accept AGW

Jai writes a total of nine comments so far by my count. The first comment of his got all the deniers very worked up. This is what he wrote in response to an article that three members of the American Meteorological Society resigned because, unlike the society, they reject climate science.

June 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm Only 14,000 more members to go.
http://ametsoc.org/MEMB/


Apparently they had a problem with this:

There is unequivocal evidence that Earth’s lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities.
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2012climatechange.html

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This happens to be the position of :

And then he listed all the scientific societies and professional associations that have endorsed the fact the humans are warming the earth. So his post was quite long. It's a long list. (His comment wasn't nearly as long as William Astley's, who typically adds a zillion words every time he writes a comment.)

Well, you should have seen the reaction. In total, jai's name is mentioned 97 times in that thread. Now isn't that a familiar number! Only nine of those times are comments from jai himself.

Read the rest of this very revealling post!
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#1200699 - 23/06/2013 21:15 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Re previous.


Heh, I like this reply at WUWT:

[snip - questions upstream require your attention before going further, since you have been skipping them, I'm going to help you remember - Anthony]


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/21/me...ate/#more-88540









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#1200704 - 23/06/2013 21:22 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Yeah, so when are you going to answer the questions datadog? Do you need help in remembering?
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