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#1200710 - 23/06/2013 21:33 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
datadog Offline
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
Yeah, so when are you going to answer the questions datadog? Do you need help in remembering?


Actually i do have a bad memory so wont argue that point.
CeeBee i am currently going through the threads to see what i've missed today. If i havnt attended to things in the next half hour or so please do point me towards what i've missed. smile









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#1200724 - 23/06/2013 22:09 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
Anthony Violi Offline
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When are you going to answer the question Queenbee?

Your memory slipped?
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#1200738 - 23/06/2013 22:46 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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He never answers any thing Anthony!!! Demands all but refuses to live by his own rules.. Demands peer review and you give it to him and he disappears and pops up in another subject.. He/she has no credibility and is wasting its time.... don't bother wasting yours champ..

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#1200744 - 23/06/2013 22:54 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Originally Posted By: Anthony Violi
When are you going to answer the question Queenbee?

Your memory slipped?


Queenbee? Come on Anthony, I know you can do better than that.
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#1200777 - 24/06/2013 08:20 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Britain’s Green Policy Disaster Unfolding

(1) http://www.thegwpf.org/britains-green-policy-disaster-unfolding/

Date: 23/06/13

Jonathan Leake and Georgia Graham, The Sunday Times

The Green Deal, the government’s ambitious scheme to slash household carbon emissions and save energy, has run into a quagmire. It has a target to transform the energy use of 10,000 homes this year. So far, the score is just two.

The brainchild of Ed Miliband when he was Labour’s last energy secretary — and relaunched by Chris Huhne when he ran the energy department before he was jailed for perverting the course of justice — the scheme has been bogged down by software problems and has caused a collapse in the home insulation industry.

Ministers insist its performance is improving, but critics say it has been exploited by thousands of canny homeowners to subsidise new boilers that they would have bought anyway.

The Green Deal is meant to encourage people to take out loans to pay for energy-saving measures such as insulation and new boilers and use the savings to pay the money back.

In theory, millions could make their homes warmer and more efficient at no upfront cost. Instead they would take out loans over periods of up to 25 years — subject to the “golden rule” that the repayments do not exceed the value of the predicted energy savings. The repayments are then made via electricity bills.

Last February, David Cameron pledged it would make Britain “the most energy-efficient country in Europe”. The government aims to upgrade 10,000 homes by next year and 14m in two decades.

There have been glitches, however, in the software used to calculate households’ potential energy savings and the amounts they could borrow. Of 30,000 households assessed, only two have had the work done. Last week a third was approved for finance.
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#1200787 - 24/06/2013 08:45 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Hans von Storch: Why Is Global Warming Stagnating?

(1) http://www.thegwpf.org/hans-von-storch-global-warming-stagnating/

Date: 21/06/13

Der Spiegel

Climate experts have long predicted that temperatures would rise in parallel with greenhouse gas emissions. But, for 15 years, they haven’t. In a SPIEGEL interview, meteorologist Hans von Storch discusses how this “puzzle” might force scientists to alter what could be “fundamentally wrong” models.

SPIEGEL: Mr. Storch, Germany has recently seen major flooding. Is global warming the culprit?

Storch: I’m not aware of any studies showing that floods happen more often today than in the past. I also just attended a hydrologists’ conference in Koblenz, and none of the scientists there described such a finding.

SPIEGEL: But don’t climate simulations for Germany’s latitudes predict that, as temperatures rise, there will be less, not more, rain in the summers?

Storch: That only appears to be contradictory. We actually do expect there to be less total precipitation during the summer months. But there may be more extreme weather events, in which a great deal of rain falls from the sky within a short span of time. But since there has been only moderate global warming so far, climate change shouldn’t be playing a major role in any case yet.

SPIEGEL: Would you say that people no longer reflexively attribute every severe weather event to global warming as much as they once did?

Storch: Yes, my impression is that there is less hysteria over the climate. There are certainly still people who almost ritualistically cry, “Stop thief! Climate change is at fault!” over any natural disaster. But people are now talking much more about the likely causes of flooding, such as land being paved over or the disappearance of natural flood zones — and that’s a good thing.

SPIEGEL: Will the greenhouse effect be an issue in the upcoming German parliamentary elections? Singer Marius Müller-Westernhagen is leading a celebrity initiative calling for the addition of climate protection as a national policy objective in the German constitution.

Storch: It’s a strange idea. What state of the Earth’s atmosphere do we want to protect, and in what way? And what might happen as a result? Are we going to declare war on China if the country emits too much CO2 into the air and thereby violates our constitution?

SPIEGEL: Yet it was climate researchers, with their apocalyptic warnings, who gave people these ideas in the first place.

Storch: Unfortunately, some scientists behave like preachers, delivering sermons to people. What this approach ignores is the fact that there are many threats in our world that must be weighed against one another. If I’m driving my car and find myself speeding toward an obstacle, I can’t simple yank the wheel to the side without first checking to see if I’ll instead be driving straight into a crowd of people. Climate researchers cannot and should not take this process of weighing different factors out of the hands of politics and society.
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#1200801 - 24/06/2013 09:40 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Still can't answer the question?
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#1200810 - 24/06/2013 10:03 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Ah yes, the answer to the question...it's 42 of course!
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#1200860 - 24/06/2013 13:07 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Some days you just gotta laugh.... laugh

Have been poking around the UK Met Office site today.....and well 'you just can't make this stuff up' if you tried.

UK Met Office Supercomputer (article last updated; 7 November 2011)

We are now using an IBM supercomputer which can do more than 100 trillion calculations a second. Its power allows it to take in hundreds of thousands of weather observations from all over the world which it then takes as a starting point for running an atmospheric model containing more than a million lines of code.

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Such is the power of the modern generation of computers, they can run ensemble forecasts, meaning they can run a model several times, each one from a slightly different starting point. This helps forecasters understand possible variations and make informed decisions on the most likely outcome.

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Because of improved science and increased computing power, today's four-day forecasts are as accurate as one-day forecasts were 30 years ago. Forecast accuracy should continue to increase as technology advances.

Beyond the present day, the power of the computers has also been harnessed to help understand the long-term future of the Earth's climate, effectively making forecasts that stretch for decades into the future. This has allowed scientists to understand more about the dynamics of climate change and its impacts.


Fast forward to Friday 14 June 2013:

Forecasting challenges this weekend

Nick Grahame, Chief Forecaster at the Met Office, talks us through the forecasting challenges this weekend.

Sometimes the atmosphere can provide a real challenge for forecasters even in the shorter range. Take for example this weekend – there’s a low pressure system over the west Atlantic and, on the face of it, appears to be heading our way. However, as it approaches our shores on Saturday night, forecast models are suggesting a large degree of uncertainty in terms of where it goes next. Some continue to bring it towards the southwest on Sunday, which would result in a rather miserable day for many southern areas. The other scenario though is for the low pressure system to stall and stay well away from us. If that happened then southern areas would stay fine and bright. In these situations, it is really important for forecasters and broadcasters to find a meaningful way to talk about the most likely outcome but then to also express the uncertainty. This is important for those who are planning events etc (it is Fathers Day on Sunday of course).

So why is there so much uncertainty?

Over the weekend, we are going to see some very complex patterns developing over the Atlantic which will ultimately determine where the low will track. For those who like technical speak, it’s called a trough disruption and forecasting this phenomenon continues to be a major challenge to both computer models and humans alike. So the best thing to do is keep up to date with the forecast to get the latest on how things are expected to develop over this weekend.


poke

Their multi-billion dollar Supercomputer cannot even predict what the weather will be like in a day or two.....and yet it's supposed to be able to calculate what the weather will be doing in the year 2100.

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#1200862 - 24/06/2013 13:08 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
Anthony Violi Offline
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Wrong answer.

Tell John Cock to try again
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#1200863 - 24/06/2013 13:13 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Still @ the UK Met:

Info on recent unusual seasons in the UK

All facts are based on UK figures in the national records dating back to 1910.

Spring 2013 – mean temperature of 6.0 °C; 5th coldest in the series; coldest since 1962 (ie coldest in 51 years).

March 2013 – mean temperature of 2.2 °C; joint 2nd coldest in the series; coldest since 1962 (ie coldest in 51 years).

Year of 2012 – 1334.8 mm of rain; 2nd wettest year in the series; the wettest since 2000.

Summer of 2012 – 379.2 mm of rain; 2nd wettest in the series; wettest since 1912 (ie wettest for 100 years).

June 2012 – 149.0 mm of rain; wettest in the series.

April 2012 – 128.0 mm of rain; wettest in the series.

Winter 2010/11 – mean temperature of 2.43 °C, which is 1.3C below the 1981-2010 average;

December 2010 – mean temperature of -0.9 °C; coldest in the series.

Recent summers – five out of six recent summers have had above average rainfall, with only 2010 being average.

Three summers (2012, 2011, 2007) have seen the triple ‘disappointment’ of having below average temperatures, below average sunshine, and above average rainfall.

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#1201025 - 24/06/2013 20:56 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Poll result. 'carbon' tax should be repealed. cool

Q/ The Coalition should repeal carbon pricing if it is elected to government: 27% against


http://www.climateinstitute.org.au/verve/_resources/TCI_CarbonLawsPolling_Factsheet_June2013.pdf









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#1201054 - 24/06/2013 23:25 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
datadog Offline
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Oh Dear, the sun did it...

Hysterical media, politicians, activists and scientists tried to put the blame for the German flooding earlier this month on man-made climate change. But a recent doctoral dissertation shows that flooding in Southern Germany is very strongly related to solar activity. No correlation is found with CO2.

http://notrickszone.com/2013/06/24/data-...solar-activity/









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#1201065 - 25/06/2013 07:02 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Christopher Monckton the Con Man's Lame Deception on WUWT

Anthony Watts can't attract anyone but crackpots to WUWT

Poor little Anthony Watts is running out of people willing to write for his disgusting little blog, WUWT. He's relying more and more on crazies like Christopher Monckton, David "funny sunny" Archibald, Ronald D "it's insects" Voisin and filling in the blanks with endless repetition of magical leaping ENSOs from Perennially Puzzled Bob Tisdale and random weird wonderings of Willis Eschenbach.

Today it's back to Christoper Monckton. He uses a lot of words to try and get rid of the 97% consensus. He wields wordplay to say words don't mean what they mean. He tries to con his readers into thinking 97% is actually 0.3%.

Monckton is truly weird, a crackpot, delusional or deliberately deceptive - take your pick.

I bet he wishes it was as easy to disappear the actual 97% of scientific papers and the actual 98.4% of scientists who show that humans are causing global warming.

Way down near the end of his long-winded article Monckton draws a messy picture in that putrid pink he favours. "That's better", say the rabble. "We like pictures." (Does anyone actually bother to read or attempt to translate what Monckton writes or do they just look at his pictures and nod sagely, pretending they understand it.)






Christopher Monckton is a deceiver, a con man, a charlatan, a climate science denier. And not a very good one.

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#1201066 - 25/06/2013 07:22 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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You must be the most hypocritical person on this forum Ceebee.

Bagging anything from blogs, then using a blog called hot whopper with an article you present as fact.

People know you are a paid troll, its so obvious.

You are an embarrassment. You should be talking about how to survive without a real job.
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#1201071 - 25/06/2013 07:46 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee

Christopher Monckton the Con Man's Lame Deception on WUWT

Anthony Watts can't attract anyone but crackpots to WUWT

Poor little Anthony Watts is running out of people willing to write for his disgusting little blog, WUWT. He's relying more and more on crazies like Christopher Monckton, David "funny sunny" Archibald, Ronald D "it's insects" Voisin and filling in the blanks with endless repetition of magical leaping ENSOs from Perennially Puzzled Bob Tisdale and random weird wonderings of Willis Eschenbach.

Today it's back to Christoper Monckton. He uses a lot of words to try and get rid of the 97% consensus. He wields wordplay to say words don't mean what they mean. He tries to con his readers into thinking 97% is actually 0.3%.




We already know that John "cook the books" Cook tried to make 34% look like 97%.


Monckton just took a deeper dive and found only 0.3% of the papers supported AGW and quantified it.


None of you guys on the pro-AGW side can count - its that simple.

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#1201072 - 25/06/2013 07:48 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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I love the hotwhopper blog as it rips WUWT a new one every day and it's got a denier of the day article - you might be featured one day Anthony!
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#1201073 - 25/06/2013 07:50 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Heh - remember the recent article on WUWT Bill that found that the 97% was actually 98%! You deniers are all over the shop!
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#1201076 - 25/06/2013 08:26 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee

Christopher Monckton the Con Man's Lame Deception on WUWT

Anthony Watts can't attract anyone but crackpots to WUWT

Poor little Anthony Watts is running out of people willing to write for his disgusting little blog, WUWT. He's relying more and more on crazies like Christopher Monckton, David "funny sunny" Archibald, Ronald D "it's insects" Voisin and filling in the blanks with endless repetition of magical leaping ENSOs from Perennially Puzzled Bob Tisdale and random weird wonderings of Willis Eschenbach.

Today it's back to Christoper Monckton. He uses a lot of words to try and get rid of the 97% consensus. He wields wordplay to say words don't mean what they mean. He tries to con his readers into thinking 97% is actually 0.3%.

Monckton is truly weird, a crackpot, delusional or deliberately deceptive - take your pick.

I bet he wishes it was as easy to disappear the actual 97% of scientific papers and the actual 98.4% of scientists who show that humans are causing global warming.

Way down near the end of his long-winded article Monckton draws a messy picture in that putrid pink he favours. "That's better", say the rabble. "We like pictures." (Does anyone actually bother to read or attempt to translate what Monckton writes or do they just look at his pictures and nod sagely, pretending they understand it.)






Christopher Monckton is a deceiver, a con man, a charlatan, a climate science denier. And not a very good one.

link






Cant believe your post CB, what gutter trash a sad portrait of yourself unfortunately.
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#1201084 - 25/06/2013 09:00 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: CeeBee]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee

I love the hotwhopper blog as it rips WUWT a new one every day and it's got a denier of the day article - you might be featured one day Anthony!


...and yet strangely not peer reviewed?

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