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#1199787 - 19/06/2013 14:25 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Oh please refstar. That WT label is going to get old very quickly. I've just read it twice in under minute.

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#1199789 - 19/06/2013 14:29 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: refstar]
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If you can't handle the heat get out of the warming debate! grin
At Least we don't have to revert to the proverbial "verbal attack" when sceptics can't get their point across. smile
How are the "gulflines" up your way there reefstar? smirk
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#1199819 - 19/06/2013 18:06 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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You can build a nuclear power station or coal fired power station next door to me at the drop of a hat guys. Unlike some alarmists here I don't have a problem with either one.
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#1199904 - 20/06/2013 08:22 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: SBT]
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Island energy efficient

SINCE introducing its energy-saving project earlier this year, 85 per cent of Turtle Island in the Yasawas is now powered by 1000 solar panels.

Making the switch from diesel fuel to solar panels,
the environmentally-conscious resort has witnessed a large reduction in fuel usage and cost.

"The whole island is now entirely dependent on the solar panels," said resort manager Alexander Weiss.

"We now use about one megawatt of power daily and that is a big improvement from before we had the panels."

Mr Weiss said the vision of resort owner Richard Evanson to maintain the pristine environment was the reason behind the project.

"Making sure that the island and its environment with its greenery and forests are preserved has been a driving force for Mr Evanson and the people who work here."

Guest service manager Arthur Sladden Druma said as part of the resort's environmental conservation program they had planted a total of 10,000 mahogany trees on the island.

http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=237345
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#1199907 - 20/06/2013 08:37 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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The German Solar Disaster: 21 Billion Euros Burned
Date: 19/06/13

(1) http://www.thegwpf.org/german-solar-disaster-21-billion-euros-burned/

Thiemo Heeg, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung

Large German companies such as Siemens and Bosch are abandoning the solar industry. Their strategies resulted in debacles – their investments in solar power companies cost them billions.

The author and former television journalist Franz Alt is a militant solar lobbyist. On his website, the 74-year-old, who wrote his doctoral thesis about Konrad Adenauer, gushes: “The sun sends daily 15,000 times more energy than all six billion people consume currently. This offer, we feel, is a godsend. We use the energy from the boss himself very much. It is environmentally friendly, climate-friendly, it’s free and yet sufficient for 4.5 billion years. We assure you that the sun has never sent us a bill.”

Could it be that Alt has solar panels on the roof (and thus has benefited from the lush subsidies for solar power for years), but no solar stocks in the portfolio? If he had, he would see the thing about solar energy being “free” a bit different: because the sun does send an invoice after all. Although not to him; but to the broad band of small shareholders, for example, who believed in the growth of the industry in the good times and eagerly bought shares – or to many large corporations which also invested in solar power and solar heat, and now withdraw disillusioned from their investments.

Green strategy resulted in debacle

Recently, Siemens had to make this expensive experience. On Monday, the group announced that the solar division will shut down. By the spring of next year, the loss-making division is to be completely closed. Thus, a final attempt, lasting seven months, to find a buyer was ultimately unsuccessful. Affected by this decision are 280 employees, most of them in Israel. With the purchase of the Israeli company Solel, CEO Peter Löscher entered the market for solar thermal systems, from which he had expected rapid growth. The strategy resulted in a debacle: All in all, Siemens lost around one billion Euros. The closure alone will cost the company a double-digit million amount.
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#1199941 - 20/06/2013 11:20 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Obama to expand renewable energy and cut pollution

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is planning a major push against the pollution blamed for global warming in an effort to follow promises he made at the start of his second term.

"This is the global threat of our time," Obama said in a speech Wednesday in Berlin.
The plan is to use Obama's executive powers - which don't require Congress approval - to expand renewable energy and boost the energy efficiency of appliances and buildings, said Obama's senior energy and climate adviser, Heather Zichal. She said the Environmental Protection Agency was preparing to use its authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate heat-trapping pollution from coal-fired power plants. Zichal spoke at a forum in Washington.
The plan comes as Obama has been under increasing pressure from environmental groups and lawmakers from Northeast states harmed by last year's Superstorm Sandy to cut pollution from existing power plants, the largest source of climate-altering gases. Several major environmental groups and states have threatened to sue the administration to force cuts. And last week, former Vice President Al Gore, a prominent climate activist and fellow Democrat, called on Obama to go beyond "great words" to "great actions."
It was unclear whether the White House plans would include controls on existing power plants. An administration official, who wasn't authorized to comment on the plan by name, said the White House was still weighing it. But since the administration has already proposed action on future power plants, the law likely would compel it to eventually tackle the remaining plants, or it would be forced to through litigation.
Obama's remarks on Wednesday echoed comments he made in his State of the Union and inaugural speeches this year.
"For the sake of future generations, our generation must move toward a global compact to confront a changing climate before it is too late," Obama said.
Some environmentalists urged the president to take action.
"President Obama deserves praise for including climate change among the long-term threats facing us all," said Ned Helme, president of the Center for Clear Air Policy, an environmentally friendly think tank. "But he should do more than talk about the problem. The president needs to put the full force of his office behind new regulations that will truly curb greenhouse gas emissions."
One hot issue in among environmentalists is the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline, which would carry oil extracted from tar sands in western Canada to refineries along the Texas Gulf Coast.
Canada's prime minister has pushed for the pipeline, but opponents call the $7 billion project a "carbon bomb" that would carry "dirty oil" and exacerbate global warming.
The State Department, which must approve the project because it crosses an international border, has concluded in an environmental evaluation that other means of transporting the oil would be worse from a climate perspective.


Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/06/oba...l#ixzz2WiOtCH2O
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#1199942 - 20/06/2013 11:29 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Plans for Forbes solar thermal project

A solar thermal project near Forbes will demonstrate how cost effective renewable energy can be once its development application is approved.



Three-and-a-half thousand moving mirrors, each bigger than a plasma television, will follow the sun like a field of sunflowers.

The mirrors will reflect light onto five thermal receivers sitting on towers that will heat a central steam turbine, capable of producing 1.1 megawatts of electricity.

The company behind the project, Vast Solar, already has 700 mirrors and one tower at Jemalong Station.

The development application says 15 local jobs will open after building commences in the second quarter of 2014.

CEO of the green tech company, Andrew Want, said they were now ready to demonstrate the financial benefits of renewable energy.

He said investing in renewable energy was good business sense.

“We have a business man’s focus,” Mr Want said.

He said Vast Solar made sure the economics were sound before they set out to build a solar thermal plant.

“We haven’t started with an invention and tried to figure out the economics.”

Mr Want’s background is in law and he views the world with a risk management perspective.

Continuing to rely on fossil fuels to power the

nation is dangerous for the economy, Mr Want says.

A common belief is that only fossil fuels can provide a reliable supply of electricity, but Mr Want said the solar plant at Jemalong would be able to produce electricity after dark.

Unlike solar panels, which stop creating energy when clouds pass, the solar thermal plant will have the capacity to store the heat it collects.

Vast Solar has relied on funding from their research partners to get to this stage, however, Mr Want is confident the solar array will make money soon.

“Our goal is $100 per megawatt hour,” Mr Want said.

Currently the wholesale price for electricity is around $60 per megawatt hour.

The price gap between the solar plant and the price of the energy market, which is dominated by fossil fuels, is due to the clean nature of solar power, Mr Want said.

“It costs more for the benefit of not having the waste.”

While the market puts a low price on coal power, the ash, pollution and health effects of burning coal were not considered, he said.

“None of that’s being costed until now.”



The system at Jemalong Station will produce no waste after building is complete.

Some ground water would need to be extracted, but Mr Want said that would be a “very small amount”.

The company’s plan is to use a method called air condenser cooling.

If things go ahead as planned then no water would be used inside the plant, Mr Want said, although the company would need access to water as a back-up.
http://www.forbesadvocate.com.au/story/1585614/plans-for-forbes-solar-thermal-project/?cs=717
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#1199951 - 20/06/2013 12:41 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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ROFL you can't expand renewables AND cut pollution Yasi. See what is currently happening here in Australia as a perfect example of that not being a logical conclusion when you have wind power feeding into the grid you have to have back up coal fired generation as well, the same with solar. Wind doesn't blow, no power will flow - without assistance from on stream conventional power sources to ensure continual supply.
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#1199960 - 20/06/2013 13:32 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: SBT]
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Coal fired would also be struggling without renewables. grin

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Queenslanders well remember the power outages that plagued us during heatwaves, but we've just gone through the hottest summer on record without exceeding capacity. Rooftop solar has played an important part in giving us this buffer and breathing space to design an energy system for the future.
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#1200037 - 20/06/2013 22:26 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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WIND POWER MESS

It seemed like a good idea at the time...



Tehachapi, CA – Tehachapi’s four wind turbines, purchased over a decade ago to help power the city’s wastewater treatment plant, may soon go to wind power heaven, victims of rising electric rates and maintenance costs...

Purchased a little more than a decade ago...

... now some question whether the turbines actually cost more money, in terms of electricity usage and maintenance expenses, than they generate in power.

...it seemed like a good idea at the time

...the turbines themselves, intended as renewable energy generators, must draw significant amounts of electricity from traditional non-renewable sources when being started. This can ... result in thousands of dollars in added energy costs



http://www.examiner.com/article/tehachapi-s-four-turbines-may-be-scuttled







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#1200040 - 20/06/2013 22:36 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Coal fired would also be struggling without renewables.


So instead of building reliable power stations we have wasted huge amounts of money on enviro bling...

QLD government-owned power companies have allowed electricity network to deteriorate to a level where it can't meet current demand or future growth - and a massive rebuilding program is needed.
Distributors have focused on improving financial results and neglected service quality. Expenditure was cut at the expense of network condition. Network now operates above prudent percentage of capacity - a situation that results from decisions around 1989 to work assets harder - and take greater risk...


http://cpds.apana.org.au/Documents/Crisis_in_GQ/Articles/electricity_failure.htm









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#1200048 - 20/06/2013 23:26 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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No they wouldn't be Yasi and well you know it as I have proved at least 20 times by posting economic reports, news articles, cost breakdowns and all manner of information.

If Australia (or any other country for that matter) hadn't built a single renewable project we wouldn't have power prices skyrocketing because of a failed green experiments sucking subsidies from consumers as mandated by the state and federal governments via RET's and without those your precious solar power will evaporate like last nights dew. Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Denmark Spain and every other country that has these devices is going broke trying to maintain a dodgy power supply mechanism propped up by subsidies.

You keep banging on about miners getting fuel subsidies but did you ask for the reason they don't have to pay it? For the same reason farmers don't and the same reason fishermen don't. It is because the vehicles are not using public roads. While your at it did you realise that the military pay production and transport costs only for fuel no sales tax and no state taxes for military vehicles so I guess you can call that a subsidy as well then. Oh and they also don't have Registration or carry 3rd party insurance either so that's another subsidy - just like farm machinery and mining equipment.

Australian's can't afford renewables. That isn't just me saying it, that is every person who pays a ever growing power bill.

Your lefty green mates might think it is a cool idea but the basic fact is they cost a huge amount to run and will never, ever make a profit in their present form. Why would you think for 1 second that we could make them viable if they have failed to do so in every country that has built them? Is Australia some magical continent where only science theory works but we can suspend the laws of physics just because you think we should?
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#1200064 - 21/06/2013 08:45 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
No they wouldn't be Yasi and well you know it as I have proved at least 20 times by posting economic reports, news articles, cost breakdowns and all manner of information.

If Australia (or any other country for that matter) hadn't built a single renewable project we wouldn't have power prices skyrocketing because of a failed green experiments sucking subsidies from consumers as mandated by the state and federal governments via RET's and without those your precious solar power will evaporate like last nights dew. Germany, France, UK, Belgium, Denmark Spain and every other country that has these devices is going broke trying to maintain a dodgy power supply mechanism propped up by subsidies.

You keep banging on about miners getting fuel subsidies but did you ask for the reason they don't have to pay it? For the same reason farmers don't and the same reason fishermen don't. It is because the vehicles are not using public roads. While your at it did you realise that the military pay production and transport costs only for fuel no sales tax and no state taxes for military vehicles so I guess you can call that a subsidy as well then. Oh and they also don't have Registration or carry 3rd party insurance either so that's another subsidy - just like farm machinery and mining equipment.

Australian's can't afford NOT TO HAVE renewables. grin That isn't just me saying it, that is every person who pays a ever growing power bill.

Your lefty green mates might think it is a cool idea but the basic fact is they cost a huge amount to run and will never, ever make a profit in their present form. Why would you think for 1 second that we could make them viable if they have failed to do so in every country that has built them? Is Australia some magical continent where only science theory works but we can suspend the laws of physics just because you think we should?



That is absolute rubbish and you know it, like i have posted before the majority of the price increases have nothing to do with renewables, the bulk of it come down to privatization, like i have posted before, back in the 90's when Jeffy k had the brilliant idea to sell of the power industry because he needed buckets of cash.

It seemed like every single power bill we received after that was always more than the previous, even though we used less to the same amount of power each time, and that is even before renewables were on the scene. So how can you blame renewables for that?

The bulk of the increases to power are infrastructure related, because they either have to update their infrastructure (poles and wire) because the didn't do prior maintenance or they need to increase the capacity of the network to cover the increase becauses of all the power hungry devices.
Look at the massive increase in home based air conditioners that are now installed in nearly every home? they would have to be one of the single reasons why power bills have skyrocketed, and the network can't cope because of it.

If it is not only you saying about renewables then why was the turnout for the anti-wind rally so pathetic? it was a perfect opportunity for the anti renewables scammers to show their hand, but it FAILED
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#1200084 - 21/06/2013 11:13 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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The disconnect of people who live of the public purse...

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If it is not only you saying about renewables then why was the turnout for the anti-wind rally so pathetic? it was a perfect opportunity for the anti renewables scammers to show their hand, but...


I been watching a shed being built on a neighbouring block of land fer a week or so.

The shed is being built by a local contractor i have known in passing for many years. He's an older chap.

It appeared the contractor is building the fairly large shed all by himself. From site prep to now erecting. Normally he has a crew to help.

Yesterday i watched as the contractor used a crane to lift an overhead beam into near position, then he runs around to his lift work platform, manhandles the large beam and rattles in a few bolts, then runs back to the crane to adjust the other end of the beam, then runs back to the work lift, rattles in a few bolts... and so on.

I couldn't stand watching for long so went and asked where his workforce were. Holidays, sick, etc... I offered to help though workplace regs etc so he couldn't accept.

The old contractor has some definite views about the current state of this country and i'm sure he would love to attend protest rally's and wave colourful placards around though he has a family to support, tax's to pay, that sort of thing.

The contractor only really has the time for his one way to protest. His day to vote.









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#1200093 - 21/06/2013 12:24 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: datadog]
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The way i see it is if you want to own all of these "must have" power hungry devices then you are going to pay for it with high electricity prices.

The amount of power consumed 20-30 years ago compared to now has dramatically increased, so if you compared power bills from 20-30 years ago to now they would be MUCH different (even accounting for inflation)
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#1200098 - 21/06/2013 12:42 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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The other option I guess Yasi is to not??? That would include your heater, aircon, hot water heater, and bugger it, may as well turn the lights out too??? Now those who have gas, it maybe cheaper to run the heater and water..... for now.. But they can still turn off their aircon and lights..... Yay.. I'm saving the planet and saving money.....


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#1200101 - 21/06/2013 13:00 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Simmosturf]
@_Yasified_shak Offline
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If your house is built to suit your climate then heating and cooling should not be a drama, our house is built to suit our climate and we don't have air conditioning or heating.
Not to mention the 2 fridges, freezer 50 inch plasma tv, then the other TV's in all the other kids rooms, 2000 watt kettle,toaster,coffee maker, bread maker and not to mention all those appliances that are sitting there on standby, just wasting power with their "pretty red light"
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#1200140 - 21/06/2013 17:02 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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Would be interesting building a house down here to suit the climate.... No heating or cooling??? Bahahahaha We will running on 7-8 days of -3's early next week... Just goes to show who lives in the perfect climate!!!!! Bring on global warming I say... But how others choose to live has nothing to do with you!! That's societies choice. Placing people onto the poverty line by the greens idealism is a joke!! If the greens choose to live like Neanderthal man then that's their choice.. And good luck with that..


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#1200187 - 21/06/2013 20:47 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: Simmosturf]
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That's right people want to live in little exposed "boxes" with no eaves,no verandah or the like.Haven't you heard of insulation? double glazed windows? solar hot water?
If people in England can build "energy efficient" houses the surely the should be able to do it in Victoria.
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#1200196 - 21/06/2013 21:27 Re: Renewable Energy News [Re: CeeBee]
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I recently traveled through the Carbondale section of Pennsylvania. Wind turbines have been allowed to flourish there. They are not simply part of the landscape. They are the landscape. Pure and simple, the wind turbines clearly, eerily dominate everything in that area.

— Editorial, Catskill Mountain News, Oct. 25, 2006










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