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#1201185 - 25/06/2013 15:25 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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#1201190 - 25/06/2013 16:05 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Locke]
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Originally Posted By: Locke
I swear I've never come across anyone so disingenuous and hypocritical before in my lifetime.

So 1991-2012 (commencing from Pinatubo) isnt a cherry pick?

So 2000-2012 (commencing from a strong La Nina) isnt a cherry pick?

So 1850-2012 (commencing from the end of the LIA) isnt a cherry pick?

How is it possible that someone can get so blinded by their own ideology?

And AGW proponents wonder why the public doesn't trust them. Your friends site Hotwhopper is appropriately named as that seems to be what he aspires to achieve.




Calling Locke! You might want to read this ....then again maybe not! ROFL!
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#1201191 - 25/06/2013 16:05 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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US Lawmakers Seek Deep Cuts To NASA Climate Research.

(1) http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/06/us-lawmakers-seek-deep-cuts-to-nasa-climate-research.html


19 Jun 2013 | 20:28 BST | Posted by Lauren Morello | Category: Earth, environment & ecology, Policy, Politics


Republicans in the US House of Representatives want NASA out of the climate-change business.

A bill floated by leaders of the House Science Committee seeks to restore “proper balance to NASA’s science portfolio” by slashing roughly US$500 million from the agency’s Earth science division, which received $1.785 billion this year. The move is part of a broader push by Republicans to replenish NASA’s planetary science division, which has seen drastic cuts in recent years.

But the severity of the Earth science cuts even shocked Steven Squyres, a planetary scientist at Cornell University in New York, who led the planetary community’s 2011 decadal survey. He told lawmakers today that the proposed cut to Earth science research is “alarmingly deep”.

But Republicans dismissed such concerns. “Over the last five years, the Earth science programme has grown by over 40% at the expense of other critical missions,” said Representative Steve Palazzo (Republican, Mississippi). “There are 13 agencies within the government that fund over $2.5 billion in climate change research, but only one agency in the government does space exploration.”

The bill would allow NASA to continue developing satellites and sensors for other government agencies — including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the Department of the Interior — as long as those agencies pay for the work. But it would block a White House plan to give NASA the responsibility of developing three climate sensors for the NOAA Joint Polar Satellite System, a new series of climate and weather probes.

The legislation is not the final word on NASA’s funding. As an ‘authorization bill’ it is intended to guide the process by which Congress determines the agency’s budget each year, but it does not itself determine how much money NASA will receive.

And it has not been enacted into law, which would require approval from the House and the Senate, a body that has been friendlier to climate-change research programmes in recent years. The Senate is expected to introduce its own NASA authorization bill later this summer.
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#1201194 - 25/06/2013 16:22 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Originally Posted By: CeeBee
ROFL @ Locke and his "So 1850-2012 (commencing from the end of the LIA) isnt a cherry pick?" nonsense - you have no idea do you how wrong you are! Classic!

Heh - and the hotwhopper site is run by a she, not a he...

"How is it possible that someone can get so blinded by their own ideology?"

I've often wondered that about you deniers Locke...



Originally Posted By: Sou-"about" OLDslopper
I'm a sixties-something woman with an interest in climate science. I have a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours) and an MBA and work as a freelance consultant. Other interests include photography and computers among other things. (The blog cover pic is a photo of one of the three major fires in the past decade that surrounded our town and destroyed huge areas of forest and farmland, caused the death of a firefighter and killed two local residents.)

I started this blog to shine a spotlight on misogyny and the rejection of climate science. (Yes, they do seem to go hand-in-hand to some extent.) I expect HotWhopper will cover more topics as it evolves. It's not a high-brow blog, it's rife with bad puns and sarcasm and snark. But the science it refers to is solid.

HotWhopper was inspired by the treatment I suffered last year (2012) when I was banned from the share trading forum, HotCopper. If you read posts in HotCopper's science and medicine forum pre-June 2012, you might have seen my posts. MobyT was the name I went by.

The name HotWhopper was coined by a respected science contributor - and very apt.

Click on the Men's Playground tab to read about what happened, or click on Gabby's cartoon for a more light-hearted take.

Climate bloggers know me as Sou (occasionally SouT and on Twitter as @SouBundanga). (Some of my comments and posts here are as Sou - depending on how I've logged onto Blogger.)



Sou from Bundangawoolarangeera
My sister blog, in stasis at the moment but with plans for more serious climate and environmental articles, is Sou from Bundangawoolarangeera. This has a lot of links to scientific papers, videos, articles, charts and various other climate-related material on separate pages:


General climate change links - including links to latest data on temperature, CO2, ice cover etc.
Climate science papers and reports - various, includes links to some definitive papers old and new (eg attribution, temperature reconstructions, older milestone papers).
Other interesting links - a miscellany of links to climate-related items, which I found useful and/or interesting.




As featured on...
In the few months since HotWhopper was launched (mid-December 2012), the readership has grown to something considerably less than astronomical proportions, but good enough to allow bragging rights from this otherwise modest blogger (much greater than I ever had in the small pond of HotCopper). HotWhopper has entertained, informed, amused or annoyed people from at least 88 different nations and all continents except, as far as I can gather, Antarctica. But Google analytics seems to have left that off the map so if you happen to drop in here from Antarctica, please say hi smile

I can't say it's down to my feeble efforts at self-promotion. Instead all thanks go to HotWhopper being featured on some prominent websites, including Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy on Slate.com (thanks, Phil); SkepticalScience (thanks, Dana); ourchangingclimate (thanks, Jos), Rabett Run (thanks, Eli), Stoat (thanks, William) and in the comments (from other people) on various popular sites like Andy Revkin's DotEarth, Dr Ricky Rood's blog on Wunderground.com; SomethingAwful.com, nrc.nl/klimaat, euroekonom.cz, The Conversation and retweets from "Famous People". Not to forget JulesKlimaatBlog, and H.E. Taylor and Coby, who for some reason picked up on my blog articles from the outset.

Special mention to Tim Lambert at Deltoid, Mike who's WatchingTheDeniers and Tamino for not complaining when I do self-promote smile

And to Anthony Watts and other climate science deniers, fake skeptics and sexist oafs everywhere, shrinking though your numbers be: HotWhopper just wouldn't be the same without you.




because this is really grounded and not one sided!

Originally Posted By: SBT
Dancing banana surviving Yasi? How could your dancing banana be in any danger from Yasi?


Looks like CeeBee just got outed!

So ceebee, been nice to know you! Thanks to the undesirable attention WZ has now recieved, the future is assured! Lock n forget! smile About time too!


Edited by Lindsay Knowles (25/06/2013 16:48)
Edit Reason: Swearing

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#1201202 - 25/06/2013 16:52 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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I'm clearly being mixed up with someone else who lives in Queensland it seems - did you not read my post where I said I take my FJ Cruiser on day trips into the high country, as in the Snowy mountains, fly fishing?

How does one do day trips all the way from the Gold Coast hmm? OOOPS!!
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#1201208 - 25/06/2013 17:04 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Lies of the Climate Commission: Part 17

The reality immediately above shows our children are already on that bright green pathway because the government's flaky Klimate Kommissars have exaggerated the climate's sensitivity to CO2.
This despicable piece of propaganda unquestionably reported by the government's other propaganda arm: your ABC.

http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/lies-of-climate-commission-part-17.html

Media Watch: Groupthink incorporated

Must be doing something right as we gained a brief mention on tonight's episode of Media Watch which dealt in its usual skewed manner with climate change reporting. No criticism of the work being done for "the cause" by our ABC, of course. Our brief claim to fame was in the form of a brief cut away to a recent opinion piece published in The Australian. Media Watch did not get in touch with us directly, that might raise too many uncomfortable questions.

from the Media Watch Website....

"...it gave rise to another ABC-bashing piece
in the Australian’s op-ed page...

ABC LACKS BALANCE IN ITS CLIMATE COVERAGE
— The Australian, 5th June, 2013"

The piece in The Australian (see below) pointed out gross deficiencies, hypocrisy and blatant bias in ABC's climate change coverage. Pointing out the gross deficiencies, hypocrisy and blatant bias hardly constitutes "ABC bashing" but when you can't take critical comments I guess the easy option is to resort to sensationalism. We have seen this from Auntie in the past. The article compared treatment of ABC's coverage of two published scientific papers, one was withdrawn from publication due methodological problems identified by a climate sceptic, the other passed peer review. Somehow ABC did not regard reporting on the withdrawn paper as newsworthy. For the paper published the only coverage was of its critics (until we stepped in and the author was allowed a brief riposte to unqualified comments).

Critical reporting on ABC's coverage of climate change has been passed over by Media Watch. As we have seen here it is an area that would bear much fruit if scrutinised properly. Among the issues include: numerous factual errors, numerous stories against alarm go unreported - missing in action, decisions about what gets covered are made by environmental activists, activist organisations have easy access to ABC's editors to promulgate propaganda and ABC refrains from asking alarmists the tough questions it asked rightly of sceptics. (The recent comments by an ex defense chief about the probability of human's being around in 90 years on ABC Breakfast, along with any ABC interview of Tim Flannery cases in point but the links fully elucidate the level of ABC's bias).
Pity Mr Holmes didn't bother to tackle the substance of the article. But for Mr Holmes, and other members of ABC's Alarmist climate change clique, critical thinking on subject isn't required when you have already made your mind up. Any new facts, such as the recent halt in global warming that now enters its 15th year, the gross disparities between climate models and observations, and reporting on papers withdrawn from publication due to methodological problems identified by climate sceptics are mere unwelcome distractions on the path to a carbon (dioxide) free utopia.

If you missed the piece in The Australian it's repeated below, links included, with my original headline.

http://abcnewswatch.blogspot.com.au/

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#1201214 - 25/06/2013 17:16 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Trav Dog]
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Originally Posted By: ellery
Originally Posted By: CeeBee
ROFL @ Locke and his "So 1850-2012 (commencing from the end of the LIA) isnt a cherry pick?" nonsense - you have no idea do you how wrong you are! Classic!

Heh - and the hotwhopper site is run by a she, not a he...

"How is it possible that someone can get so blinded by their own ideology?"

I've often wondered that about you deniers Locke...



Originally Posted By: Sou-"about" OLDslopper
I'm a sixties-something woman with an interest in climate science. I have a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours) and an MBA and work as a freelance consultant. Other interests include photography and computers among other things. (The blog cover pic is a photo of one of the three major fires in the past decade that surrounded our town and destroyed huge areas of forest and farmland, caused the death of a firefighter and killed two local residents.)

I started this blog to shine a spotlight on misogyny and the rejection of climate science. (Yes, they do seem to go hand-in-hand to some extent.) I expect HotWhopper will cover more topics as it evolves. It's not a high-brow blog, it's rife with bad puns and sarcasm and snark. But the science it refers to is solid.

HotWhopper was inspired by the treatment I suffered last year (2012) when I was banned from the share trading forum, HotCopper. If you read posts in HotCopper's science and medicine forum pre-June 2012, you might have seen my posts. MobyT was the name I went by.

The name HotWhopper was coined by a respected science contributor - and very apt.

Click on the Men's Playground tab to read about what happened, or click on Gabby's cartoon for a more light-hearted take.

Climate bloggers know me as Sou (occasionally SouT and on Twitter as @SouBundanga). (Some of my comments and posts here are as Sou - depending on how I've logged onto Blogger.)



Sou from Bundangawoolarangeera
My sister blog, in stasis at the moment but with plans for more serious climate and environmental articles, is Sou from Bundangawoolarangeera. This has a lot of links to scientific papers, videos, articles, charts and various other climate-related material on separate pages:


General climate change links - including links to latest data on temperature, CO2, ice cover etc.
Climate science papers and reports - various, includes links to some definitive papers old and new (eg attribution, temperature reconstructions, older milestone papers).
Other interesting links - a miscellany of links to climate-related items, which I found useful and/or interesting.




As featured on...
In the few months since HotWhopper was launched (mid-December 2012), the readership has grown to something considerably less than astronomical proportions, but good enough to allow bragging rights from this otherwise modest blogger (much greater than I ever had in the small pond of HotCopper). HotWhopper has entertained, informed, amused or annoyed people from at least 88 different nations and all continents except, as far as I can gather, Antarctica. But Google analytics seems to have left that off the map so if you happen to drop in here from Antarctica, please say hi smile

I can't say it's down to my feeble efforts at self-promotion. Instead all thanks go to HotWhopper being featured on some prominent websites, including Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy on Slate.com (thanks, Phil); SkepticalScience (thanks, Dana); ourchangingclimate (thanks, Jos), Rabett Run (thanks, Eli), Stoat (thanks, William) and in the comments (from other people) on various popular sites like Andy Revkin's DotEarth, Dr Ricky Rood's blog on Wunderground.com; SomethingAwful.com, nrc.nl/klimaat, euroekonom.cz, The Conversation and retweets from "Famous People". Not to forget JulesKlimaatBlog, and H.E. Taylor and Coby, who for some reason picked up on my blog articles from the outset.

Special mention to Tim Lambert at Deltoid, Mike who's WatchingTheDeniers and Tamino for not complaining when I do self-promote smile

And to Anthony Watts and other climate science deniers, fake skeptics and sexist oafs everywhere, shrinking though your numbers be: HotWhopper just wouldn't be the same without you.




because this is really grounded and not one sided!

Originally Posted By: SBT
Dancing banana surviving Yasi? How could your dancing banana be in any danger from Yasi?


Looks like CeeBee just got outed!

So ceebee, been nice to know you! Thanks to the undesirable attention WZ has now recieved, the future is assured! Lock n forget! smile About time too!


Your very first post and you're trolling and swearing? I wonder how much longer they'll keep this section open for?
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#1201216 - 25/06/2013 17:27 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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And to Anthony Watts and other climate science deniers, fake skeptics and sexist oafs everywhere, shrinking though your numbers be:


Tells you all you need to know about this person. More interested in tossing insults than any reasonable debate.

Her rather useless response to my accusations of cherry picking were the usual load of misdirection very similar to type of behaviour Ceebee habitually engages in.

I repeat the accusation that the 1991-2012 chart is a cherry pick as is the 1850-2012 chart (its not that hard to find temp charts that give context to the temp changes before and after the little ice age).

Of course for the 2000-2012 were given the sad excuse that it wasn't just choosing a la Nina year but rather just going 1 year prior to Monckton. I'd be fine with that if it weren't for the other charts presented which give a little more context to the entire discussion.

So perhaps our friend at whopping lies or whatever she calls her website might provide another feeble excuse why she presented the 1991-2012 range? I mean she accuses me of ignoring the 1981 (not sure why I would have mentioned it as I never regarded it as a cherry pick) but then ignores my obrservation of the 1991-2012 chart being a cherry pick to coincide with Pinatubo.

Was it shear coincidence that every chart she posted commenced straight after a period of cooling?

Rational discussion is impossible with these people. They think everyone other than them is insane (ala Lewandowsky who she links to). I met this type of person when I used to be involved with religion. Completely impossible to reason with and the main reason I no longer have any involvement with religion (but thats another matter).
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#1201217 - 25/06/2013 17:30 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Quote:
"Your very first post and you're trolling and swearing? I wonder how much longer they'll keep this section open for?"


Probably a bit of a set up i'd say.

I've seen it on a few forums now when the AGW pushers start loosing it they go over board to shut things down.









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#1201218 - 25/06/2013 17:31 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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I have clearly been mixed up with someone who is intelligent and not a troll or dole bludger.

Edited for accuracy.
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#1201222 - 25/06/2013 17:58 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Locke]
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Originally Posted By: Locke
Quote:
And to Anthony Watts and other climate science deniers, fake skeptics and sexist oafs everywhere, shrinking though your numbers be:


Tells you all you need to know about this person. More interested in tossing insults than any reasonable debate.

Her rather useless response to my accusations of cherry picking were the usual load of misdirection very similar to type of behaviour Ceebee habitually engages in.

I repeat the accusation that the 1991-2012 chart is a cherry pick as is the 1850-2012 chart (its not that hard to find temp charts that give context to the temp changes before and after the little ice age).

Of course for the 2000-2012 were given the sad excuse that it wasn't just choosing a la Nina year but rather just going 1 year prior to Monckton. I'd be fine with that if it weren't for the other charts presented which give a little more context to the entire discussion.

So perhaps our friend at whopping lies or whatever she calls her website might provide another feeble excuse why she presented the 1991-2012 range? I mean she accuses me of ignoring the 1981 (not sure why I would have mentioned it as I never regarded it as a cherry pick) but then ignores my obrservation of the 1991-2012 chart being a cherry pick to coincide with Pinatubo.

Was it shear coincidence that every chart she posted commenced straight after a period of cooling?

Rational discussion is impossible with these people. They think everyone other than them is insane (ala Lewandowsky who she links to). I met this type of person when I used to be involved with religion. Completely impossible to reason with and the main reason I no longer have any involvement with religion (but thats another matter).



Seems hotfloppers is a misandrist. Nice piece of hypocrisy.

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#1201224 - 25/06/2013 18:06 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: datadog]
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Originally Posted By: datadog
Quote:
"Your very first post and you're trolling and swearing? I wonder how much longer they'll keep this section open for?"


Probably a bit of a set up i'd say.

I've seen it on a few forums now when the AGW pushers start loosing it they go over board to shut things down.











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From where I stand which is on the fence the deniers are no better ,infact some of them are far worse. The behaviour in this thread the past few days is truly disgusting. Where are the mods?
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#1201226 - 25/06/2013 18:11 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: teckert]
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Originally Posted By: teckert
ROFL.... lovin' it guys.... Well this has been fun hasn't it.... smile


Right here CF.
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#1201227 - 25/06/2013 18:13 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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I get the feeling that was a not so veiled warning to all and sundry in these threads SBT.

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#1201228 - 25/06/2013 18:16 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
ColdFront Offline
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Lost on someone clearly Brett wink
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#1201229 - 25/06/2013 18:22 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Originally Posted By: datadog
Quote:
"Your very first post and you're trolling and swearing? I wonder how much longer they'll keep this section open for?"


Probably a bit of a set up i'd say.

I've seen it on a few forums now when the AGW pushers start loosing it they go over board to shut things down.


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From where I stand which is on the fence the deniers are no better ,infact some of them are far worse. The behaviour in this thread the past few days is truly disgusting given you call yourselves adults. Where are the mods?



"the deniers"

An insulting and derogatory term.

ColdFront, please stop attempting to bring holocaust denial into the climate debate. The Holocaust is a proven historical fact. We can visit the evidence. We can see the evidence. We have untold numbers of actual witness records of those that were there. We have the actual observations of allied troops who were first at the death camp sites. We have the German records to prove it. The Holocaust is a proven factual event in any way you could frame it.

ColdFront, please do not attempt to compare the transitory nature of climate science 'facts' or 'evidence' to the reality that was the Holocaust.









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#1201230 - 25/06/2013 18:25 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Grow up kid.
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#1201231 - 25/06/2013 18:26 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: teckert]
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Originally Posted By: teckert
ROFL.... lovin' it guys.... Well this has been fun hasn't it.... smile


When is the section getting the flick ?

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#1201234 - 25/06/2013 18:32 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Hopefully it won't because it is forums like these that offer skeptics a place to voice an oppinion. Without them there are not too many places where that can happen. But if it doesn't improve... who knows? Maybe that is the goal? Sometimes it seems that way.


Edited by Brett Guy (25/06/2013 18:32)

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#1201235 - 25/06/2013 18:38 Re: Interesting Articles about AGW [Re: Seabreeze]
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Maybe that is the goal?


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