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#1214162 - 18/10/2013 18:58 Australian Politics
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Why pay it back if you've done nothing wrong? The hilarity in all of this is of course that the coalition describe labor as wasteful.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-...1018-2vqth.html

Check out the poll attached.



Originally Posted By: @_Yasified_shak

looks like more boats have arrived, or didn't they stop all those like they said they would?


They can't be boats. Abbott stopped them all. They must be something else.
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#1214171 - 18/10/2013 20:31 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Haa to true, looks like there was a whole bunch of them that decided to go fishing off darwin early in the week instead! or maybe they were asylum seekers and they just threw a bunch of rods aboard to make it look like they were "fishing" instead evillaugh

They only pay it back so it doesn't look bad... smirk but hang on by them paying it back it does look bad? they must be doing something that they shouldn't be doing in that case? oh the conundrum.
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#1214177 - 18/10/2013 22:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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I love this clip! someone who tells it how it is and straight to his face!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF65MnhctUQ
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#1214195 - 19/10/2013 09:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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From the other thread

Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Tony Abbott has wisely left Australia's fiscal settings exactly as they were under Labor, putting the lie to his hysterical pre-election economic rhetoric, writes Stephen Koukoulas.

Almost two months after a thumping election victory, there is not one hint of any economic policy change from the Abbott Government that will deal with the budget bottom line. Yet until the day before the election, this was painted by the Coalition as an "emergency" or "crisis".

The reason is obvious. The budget is in triple-A shape and in the complete opposite of an emergency.

If there were a budget emergency, Treasurer Joe Hockey and the Government would have acted with the same speed on spending and revenue measures as they have shown over abolishing the carbon price and implementing their boats policy.

Which goes back to the main point.

The six years of Labor Party government through to September 2013 were characterised by pragmatic, prudent and ultimately successful management of the economy. While some of the politics was astray, Australia's economy is in tip-top shape as a result of this record of first class economic management.

The economic runs on the board delivered by Labor include six extra years of unbroken economic and employment growth, a halving of the inflation rate, further solid increases in per capita GDP, and ongoing prosperity. If Tony Abbott can maintain the same record as Labor in his term in government, even without the negative shocks from the global economy, he will have done well.

This strong economic performance between 2007 and 2013 was despite the world economy crashing to its weakest point since the Great Depression of the 1930s, when financial market ructions threatened to completely undermine the functioning of global trade and the world economy.

It was truly extraordinary that Australia, in these circumstances, managed to dodge a recession and at the same time hold the unemployment rate below 6 per cent for whole period where unemployment rate hit double digits in most other advanced economies.

The reasons for this remarkable economic performance are simple: policy pragmatism and foresight. The fiscal stimulus measures, which saw the budget balance move by 6 per cent of GDP, was vital to supporting economic growth.

Builders were employed and retailers stayed afloat as the government pumped temporary, timely and targeted spending into the economy. Aiding the growth-enhancing policies was the easing in monetary policy, which saw the RBA cut the official cash rate by 425 basis points in a few months. This saved mortgage holders and business alike many tens of billions of dollars in interest costs - money that was at least partly directed to spending and investment. The Australian dollar fell by over 30 per cent and traded at 60 US cents, which helped to support many exporters.

Complementing this policy brilliance was some good luck. In the period from 2008 to 2010, the Chinese authorities stimulated their economy which not only saw Chinese GDP growth bounce back to above 10 per cent, but also reversed the commodity price slump and boosted demand for Australia's exports.

After the depths of the crisis had passed, the prudent policy settings from the Labor government continued.

In its budget settings, the Labor government implemented the largest tightening in fiscal policy ever recorded. The budget tightened by 3 per cent of GDP in a couple of years and 2012-13 saw the largest cut in real government spending ever.

This fiscal policy tightening was aimed at replenishing the budget, and there would have been a budget surplus were it not for the post-stimulus slowing in the Chinese economy, and the decline in the terms of trade that hit tax revenue hard over the past couple of years.

It has not been widely reported that over the past two years, the Australian economy confronted a 20-year low for Chinese economic growth. This bad luck (for Australia) obviously dragged the terms of trade lower and the Labor government had to deal with this unfortunate turn of events. In late 2012, it made the prudent decision to let the budget automatic stabilisers to work which of course meant less revenue and a budget deficit, but it kept the economy growing at around a 2.5 per cent pace and as we saw last week, the unemployment rate in September was just 5.6 per cent.

From a perspective of maintaining economic growth, this again highlighted the prudent and pragmatic nature of policy makers interested in sustaining economic growth and job creation.

It is interesting to note that the fiscal tightening allowed the RBA to ease monetary policy over the past two years, with interest rates for mortgages and the business sector falling to the lowest level in around 50 years.

The Labor Government knew that if it delivered tight fiscal settings, it would give room to the RBA to ease monetary policy which in turn would help trim the Australian dollar strength.

The RBA rose to the challenge and the recent fall in the dollar from levels constantly around 105 US cents to levels under 95 US cents has given exporters and firms competing with importers a clear shot in the arm.

At a macroeconomic level, it is difficult to find what the Labor government could have done differently or better. Less fiscal stimulus during the GFC may have seen the economy dive into recession. More stimulus was not needed given the economic outcomes delivered. It was about as right as these things can be in an economy that is now around $1.6 trillion a year.

To be sure, some of the rhetoric from the Labor ministers around the budget was misplaced, such as promises to return to surplus in 2012-13 come hell or high water, but the actual runs of the board and the bottom line policy settings were almost always right.

The fact that Mr Abbott and his team have seen fit to hold fiscal settings exactly as they were under Labor - with no mini-budget and no policy changes to alter the path of government spending or to change the momentum on economic growth - speaks loudly about the economy that Labor managed over their term of office, and draws into question the hysterical electioneering claims of economic incompetency and budget emergency.

Stephen Koukoulas is a Research Fellow at Per Capita, a progressive think tank. View his full profile here.
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#1214199 - 19/10/2013 10:20 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensla...1018-2vsp4.html

Tony won't like this . Especially in Queensland.
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#1214293 - 19/10/2013 22:33 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The reason for the coalition broadband scam and why Murdoch helped Abattoir into guvment.

http://nofibs.com.au/2013/02/27/why-are-...-a-dying-beast/
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#1214316 - 20/10/2013 10:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breakin...1020-2vuet.html

Stating the obvious. All Abbott has done is gag the media.
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#1214374 - 20/10/2013 22:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Funny how people in the election thread spoke of labor's woes in NSW having nothing to do with Murdoch and everything to do with corruption. Someone forgot to tell this guy wink

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oc...seat-of-miranda
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#1214455 - 21/10/2013 22:07 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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nice to see abbott out and about fighting fires on the weekend. lucky for his government those same fires are keeping the media off his back, while stuff like this slips through -
http://theaimn.com/2013/10/19/hockey-to-...-all-time-high/
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#1214458 - 21/10/2013 22:18 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It's a shame the clown forgot to take his fire fighting photo op down until the media pointed out it was his main facebook piccie. A big smile across his face posing for the camera in a firie's outfit . Nice form the day after 180 homes were burnt to the ground.
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#1214461 - 21/10/2013 22:27 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It seems someone else found it up on his site the day after too!


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#1214475 - 21/10/2013 22:56 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
nice to see abbott out and about fighting fires on the weekend. lucky for his government those same fires are keeping the media off his back, while stuff like this slips through -
http://theaimn.com/2013/10/19/hockey-to-...-all-time-high/


It's typical coalition economics. Abbott's hoping to model himself on Howard. Australia's most wasteful PM. Though those silly enough to believe the crap in his book won't think so.
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#1214508 - 22/10/2013 07:38 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
It seems someone else found it up on his site the day after too!





Very true CF
It doesn't matter what Abbott does because he will always be a BOGAN.
Take note Rime.


Edited by Cheers (22/10/2013 07:44)

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#1214511 - 22/10/2013 08:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Reckon you guys should rename this thread "The Tony Abbott Love-In"

Its clear that he fascinates you to the point of utter distraction

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#1214521 - 22/10/2013 09:24 Re: Australian Politics [Re: davidg]
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Originally Posted By: davidg
Reckon you guys should rename this thread "The Tony Abbott Love-In"

Its clear that he fascinates you to the point of utter distraction


lol David, I was beginning to wonder the same thing myself.

Seriously fellas, get a hobby other than trolling, go out and do something constructive with your lives. I would say join the rural firies but I highly doubt they could put up with the incessant whinging...

Oh and on the topic of that retarded meme above. Wasn't it Bandt who started politicising these fires? As far as I am aware, the only photos of Tony Abbott that have been taken during the current event are those by the people along side him, not staged / hammed up media shots the way Rudd did during the floods. But this isn't the only example of breathtaking hypocrisy espoused by those self labelled 'progressives' in society. When Roxon recently went on the public record and said that Rudd's leadership was chaotic and incompetent, no discussion was had in this thread (or the past one for that matter). This easily leads one to the conclusion that for the Labor/Green supporters, it's not the principle, but it's the side that counts.

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#1214525 - 22/10/2013 09:36 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Andy Double U]
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Originally Posted By: Andy Double U
it's not the principle, but it's the side that counts


It's always amusing how you are the one attacking other posters all the time but they are the trolls. Just as you did in that other forum section that has since been closed by Matthew Pearce.

By all means point out Adam Bandt's flaws . I think he's a halfwit to be honest just like Milne so if you're attempting to highlight his stupidity for my benefit you needn't bother .I agree entirely grin

This is a political thread. Abbott is our PM so in the spotlight. The key difference is that when in opposition he did all he could to destabilise government and yet now the shoe is on the other foot he doesn't seem to want to play anymore. Even to the extent of trying to gag the media on asylum seekers .Funny that.

If you behave the way he did the last 3 years in opposition you can expect to be made accountable for anything and everything. Oddly enough Andy you don't seem to associate Abbott's bitching about everything with a lack of a life and always seem to find your way back here too to do the same. laugh

The issues above are relevant to the topic . Your constant bitching about other posters is not. If you don't like it don't read it and find another hobby wink

Oh and Mick raised the Roxon issue so there was an opportunity to "discuss" it sleep

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#1214528 - 22/10/2013 09:52 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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POLL STOUSH SPARKS BULLY TACTICS CLAIM

With bushfires raging through NSW, firefighters usually receive warm welcomes but the Fire Brigade Employees Union said the opposite occurred at the Miranda by-election last Saturday.

FBEU state president Darin Sullivan said members handing out “vote Liberals last” cards at polling booths were harassed by Liberal MP Brad Hazzard and other party members.

Mr Sullivan accused the MP for Wakehurst of “bully tactics”.

“He and other party members were going to each polling booth and taking down the names of every firefighter there,’’ he said.

“They were getting up close and taking photos of our face without permission in order to report names and faces to the minister [of emergency services].

“Mr Hazzard went to every booth to deliberately intimidate every firefighter,” he said.

Some firefighters reported verbal altercations with Liberal party staffers and volunteers at booths.

Approximately 60 off-duty firefighters manned polling booths in the electorate wearing “Stop O’Farrell’s Fire Station Closures” T-shirts.

The firefighters were protesting the O’Farrell Government’s budget cuts that have taken stations in the electorate offline over 60 times this year.

The union said their aim was for firefighters to be considered ‘‘frontline’’ staff, along with teachers and police, who are exempt from budget cuts.

“We find it offensive to see Liberal MPs prancing out at the bushfires for the media when they’re cutting firefighting services,” Mr Sullivan said.

Some Liberal politicians proved more sympathetic. The union confirmed Kiama MP Gareth Ward had made efforts to hear firefighters’ concerns.

Mr Sullivan responded to criticism that the union was politicising a natural disaster.

“The fires were a coincidence to our campaign. Both the NSW Fire Brigade and the Rural Fire Service are facing more cuts and the community needs to be educated.”

The union also faced criticism that their efforts would have been better spent at the bushfires and that they had used their uniforms inappropriately.

“We wore old uniforms no longer in use, uniforms that are now our property,’’ Mr Sullivan said. ‘‘We had no official badges.

“We receive AEC approval and had every right to be there.

“Many of the union’s officials have been, and will be, on the frontline of these fires throughout this emergency, side by side with all the hard-working full- time, part-time and volunteer firefighters across NSW.”

Mr Sullivan said the community response was overwhelmingly positive.

“We think our campaign claimed a part in the historic 27per cent swing result,’’ Mr Sullivan said. ‘‘We had lifelong Liberal voters coming up to us saying that they had voted against the party for the first time because of how O’Farrell has treated firefighters.’’.

Bolstered by its success, the union is threatening to implement the campaign at the next state election.
See your ad here

“If Premier O’Farrell doesn’t come to us to negotiate cuts, then we’ll be forced to roll the campaign out across every electorate in the next election,” said Mr Sullivan.

Mr Hazzard did not respond to requests for comment.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1855481/poll-stoush-sparks-bully-tactics-claim/?cs=300
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#1214539 - 22/10/2013 10:54 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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+1 David.
The "Abbott is the root of all evil thread". Maybe you lot would be better off heading over to Proboards and starting your own forum - it's free, easy to use and if you need a hand to set one up just holler and I can help you without any rancour.

Meanwhile not one day of parliamentary sittings has occurred yet every policy proposal that the Libs talked about pre/post election is somehow being rammed into action without it ever being debated and voted on in either house nor being passed in to law.

As to Tony's photo - dammed if you do dammed if you don't hey guys? If he didn't get out there and help you lot would be down his throat for not being there. He was smiling, probably at someone's attempt at a joke to help lighten the mood and improve moral - something I used to excel at in the military in some pretty horrendous situations - not because he was showing contempt for the homes being burnt.

You lot really, really need to get a better grip on reality.
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#1214542 - 22/10/2013 11:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Cheers]
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Originally Posted By: Cheers
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
It seems someone else found it up on his site the day after too!





Very true CF
It doesn't matter what Abbott does because he will always be a BOGAN.
Take note Rime.


Cheers mate...this is by far one of the most useless and dumbest posts I have seen on these forums.

No offense, but really ???


Edited by Trav Dog (22/10/2013 11:13)
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#1214544 - 22/10/2013 11:21 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I have no problems with abbott out chasing fires as I posted above. I am just gobsmacked at how an opposition can hammer away at a governments 'so called' inadequacy's then sneak through with the same tripe just a month after taking over with barely a ripple in the mainstream media.
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