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#1411528 - 09/03/2017 20:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
petethemoskeet Offline
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Lets cut her head off,how dare she apologize.Be good if some of the other pollies did the same for their stuff ups.I reckon I got more chance of winning the lotto.

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#1411536 - 09/03/2017 21:22 Re: Australian Politics [Re: petethemoskeet]
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Originally Posted By: petethemoskeet
Lets cut her head off,how dare she apologize.Be good if some of the other pollies did the same for their stuff ups.I reckon I got more chance of winning the lotto.


Ahhh yes, that will put it right wink

Meanwhile today she has been busted lying through her teeth about suggestions she put WA ahead of her own state on GST.

Miss Integrity laugh
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#1411538 - 09/03/2017 21:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...009-gryaoi.html

From the article

"In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.

According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores."

Christ, does anyone in our government care even slightly about the future (no need to answer, they only care about themselves and the wishes of donors). FINITE resources and they just give them away for scraps despite all our debt.

I'm certainly far from an expert in these matters, but shouldn't we dictate the terms, not the other way round. We as a country owe nothing to these companies, they should be kissing our feet for the billions in profits they exploit from us, not the other way round. I have serious doubts even with greatly increased tax that corporations will pack up and leave if they are still making a profit.
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#1411539 - 09/03/2017 21:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Markus]
Brett Guy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Markus
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...009-gryaoi.html

From the article

"In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.

According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores."

Christ, does anyone in our government care even slightly about the future (no need to answer, they only care about themselves and the wishes of donors). FINITE resources and they just give them away for scraps despite all our debt.

I'm certainly far from an expert in these matters, but shouldn't we dictate the terms, not the other way round. We as a country owe nothing to these companies, they should be kissing our feet for the billions in profits they exploit from us, not the other way round. I have serious doubts even with greatly increased tax that corporations will pack up and leave if they are still making a profit.


Sounds exactly like something Trump would say. 'Australia first' or something like it wink

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#1411540 - 09/03/2017 21:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Markus]
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Originally Posted By: Markus


Christ, does anyone in our government care even slightly about the future


Sarcasm? laugh

That's the COALition you are asking about wink
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#1411541 - 09/03/2017 21:52 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Haha not a fan of him myself but 'some' of his ideology I do agree with (pretty limited though poke ).

All seriousness though am I missing something? The injustice of what our government seems to frequently do without consequence is infuriating.
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#1411542 - 09/03/2017 21:56 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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No, sadly you are not missing anything. They are pandering to the party faithful (fossil fool industry) and shunning the Australian public.
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#1411544 - 09/03/2017 21:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It's ridiculous but I think it stems from our wish to be important on the world stage but the reality that we are in reality pretty weak in a lot of ways. We tend to negotiate from a position of weakness. Indonesia is a good example. The slightest thing upsets them and the crap hits the fan and we scramble to appease them. They do something we don't like and we go out of our way not to offend them over it.

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#1411545 - 09/03/2017 22:09 Re: Australian Politics [Re: petethemoskeet]
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Originally Posted By: petethemoskeet
.Be good if some of the other pollies did the same for their stuff ups.I reckon I got more chance of winning the lotto.


More chance of winning the Lotto than this woman growing a brain. Be sure to watch the video in the link.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-09/pauline-hanson-contradicts-gst-share-stance-wa-qld/8338798
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#1411549 - 09/03/2017 23:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Any Qlders aware of this? As of this year if you breed your dog you need to register as a breeder. All this to shut down roughly 100 puppy farms? Seems like an odd way to go around it.

https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/Bills/55PDF/2016/AnimalProtPuppiesOLAB16E.pdf

Wonder if this is happening in other states? Might make it pretty hard to obtain a cross bred dog legally at a reasonable price in Qld.

I am not sure it will do much for welfare of dogs. If Joe Blogs neighbour has a litter of pups and gives one to him without the registration required will the pup go to the vet who may have to report an illegally bred pup. If not it might miss out on vital health checks and desexing. Not being microchipped.

Will the person who didn't have his bitch desexed because he doesn't believe in it/couldn't afford it/didn't plan to breed it so young ends up with an accidental pregnancy will it perhaps be easier for them to kill the litter or dump them to avoid the fines for illegally breeding?

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#1411559 - 10/03/2017 08:04 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It's a tough one BB and is sure to have some negative 'unintended consequences' as you point out but I don't mind. Personally I would see it made illegal to breed animals unless registered and Illegal to buy dogs from breeders as long as there is a single one in a pound waiting for rescue because of scummy humans being too lazy to look after them. The only exemption should be for things like working dogs from specialist breeders etc, as an animal from a pound is just not going to do the job.

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#1411611 - 10/03/2017 17:40 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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There is an exemption for breeders of working dogs.....
"There will be exemptions to the registration obligations where the breeder is:
 an accredited breeder of an approved entity;
 they are a primary producer who bred a dog from a working dog for the purpose of
using the dog as a working dog or supplying the dog to another primary producer to
use as a working dog; or
 the person is a member of a prescribed class of persons."

I don't think it should include one off breeders (which some could be accidental) because of dumping, and if your dog is not micro chipped they probably might ask you who the breeder was. I don't think they would be able to trace the neighbor next door as the breeder if you didn't want them to know, but buyers who don't know the law may accidentally dob their neighbor in.

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#1411633 - 10/03/2017 20:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
There is an exemption for breeders of working dogs.....
"There will be exemptions to the registration obligations where the breeder is:
 an accredited breeder of an approved entity;
 they are a primary producer who bred a dog from a working dog for the purpose of
using the dog as a working dog or supplying the dog to another primary producer to
use as a working dog; or
 the person is a member of a prescribed class of persons."

I don't think it should include one off breeders (which some could be accidental) because of dumping, and if your dog is not micro chipped they probably might ask you who the breeder was. I don't think they would be able to trace the neighbor next door as the breeder if you didn't want them to know, but buyers who don't know the law may accidentally dob their neighbor in.


So farmer Joe has his kelpie bitch he breeds to farmer Ted's working dog. He keeps 3 pups for himself to bring on for work. One of them is as useless as tits on a bull at work. Bites too hard on the sheep and is scared witless of the cattle. What does he do with this dog? He can't, unless he registers as a breeder, dispose of it to anyone else. He can't give it to the local townie with 6 foot fences to keep as a pet. His option seems to be to shoot it.

What a great outcome for the dog.

I suspect this legislation was put together with the advice of self interest groups. Those who make money out of the breeding of dogs, one way or another.

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#1411644 - 10/03/2017 21:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The legislation was put together with the advice of the community apparently.......quote
"There was strong community support for compulsory registration for all dog breeders. There was also strong support for the display of the breeder registration ID number in advertisements and recording of the breeder registration ID number against the dogs microchip."

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#1411649 - 10/03/2017 21:51 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It all comes down to the cost of registration weather there will be problems with this but so far.........quote
"No breeder registration fees will be charged until July 2018. This is to encourage registration and compliance with the legislation.
Registration fees may be introduced after July 2018; however there will be public consultation before registration fees are introduced."
http://www.dogsqueensland.org.au/media/45642/daf_dog_breeder_faq.pdf


Edited by Red Watch (10/03/2017 21:56)

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#1411674 - 11/03/2017 08:20 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I would like to see something else added to this. Something to moniter the number of times an individual disposes of an animal to a pound. Do it more than a set number of times and you can not have one again. EVER.

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#1411683 - 11/03/2017 09:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
I would like to see something else added to this. Something to moniter the number of times an individual disposes of an animal to a pound. Do it more than a set number of times and you can not have one again. EVER.


I don't agree. This again would lead to animal dumping by those who don't care properly for animals. Or the shooting of them.

I have taken many dogs to the pound. I don't have a dog catcher. Even if I catch a dog they won't come and get it. I have to take it in myself.

So I, who have trained dogs that are housed within a fenced yard unless out with me, should be banned from owning dogs because instead of shooting the idiot up the roads dog that I find chasing my stock catch it and take it to the pound? There has been 4 of them over the last 15 years. Or the dog that I pick up on the road to town and drop off at pound to save it being run over on the road. Or the 3 pups that the son bought home that he found dumped when out camping.

Seems fair to me. I might just get a gun. It will be much easier to shoot the nuisance dogs instead of doing the nice thing for the dog which then has a chance. Hope I don't have an accident when I close my eyes to not see that dog on the road get hit by the truck. Tell the son to leave the pups to starve if he finds any more.

It is only fair that we shouldn't own dogs as we are such uncaring assholes that dump dogs at pounds.

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#1411684 - 11/03/2017 09:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Not referring to you as someone who is hekping lost animals BB. I am referring to registered owners which I would have thought you understood but if not then you have my clarification. Anyone who has a pet should have to have it chipped and desexed. If they don't. They shouldn't be allowed to keep it. No one should breed them except for registered breeders and no one should be allowed to buy from a breeder while there is a single animal in a shelter. Any owner who consistently dumps animal should be banned from having them. Anyone who mistreats pets should be banned from having them. Accepting the poor treatment of pets is accepting a crime in my oppinion.


Edited by Brett Guy (11/03/2017 09:59)

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#1411760 - 11/03/2017 22:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Looks like Labor are on track to winning a majority in WA.

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#1411771 - 12/03/2017 00:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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One Nation have been emphaticlly rejected also .At least it would appear so at this stage.
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