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#1411795 - 12/03/2017 10:00 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Looks like less than 5% of the lower house vote for PHON in WA. Epic fail. She will likely pick up a couple of upper house seats due to the PD she condemned last night but her voice is lost in WA.

Hopefully Qlders wake up too. Anti-vax lunatic.
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#1411830 - 12/03/2017 12:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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So now we know 4.7% in WA have an IQ starting with a decimal point.
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#1411845 - 12/03/2017 14:14 Re: Australian Politics [Re: rain gauge]
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So now we know 4.7% in WA have an IQ starting with a decimal point.

Ever consider you maybe the one with the IQ of less than 1 rainguage.
Elections do not reflect the intelligence of any percentages of the population.
There is vast and many rational reasons why or not people vote a certain way on election day.
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#1411852 - 12/03/2017 14:30 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Simply because they're uneducated..
Most are just the dregs of Australian society, committed to misunderstanding the world around them.

Sound familiar?
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#1411910 - 12/03/2017 21:17 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Unfortunately has been demonstrated in the 90's and again now in recent times that Hanson uses populist policy to draw people in who have a tendency to focus on a certain set of headlines (predominantly racist views) without truly ever giving themselves the opportunity to get educated on the reality of the subject.

Once in to power the infighting and shear lunacy of party beliefs becomes evident .Thankfully in WA they appear to have woken up in time and that is reflected in her party's polling.

She is blaming the preference deal with a toxic party whilst denying her anti-vax comments did any harm. So much for the integrity people were praising her for in here recently.

She went to the federal election saying she was going to get a better deal for pensioners yet has voted with the Liberal party on policy that hits them among the hardest.

Simple fact is that she is an extension of the LNP and the people wanted that gone, just as they did in the NT. I read the most ridiculous comment this morning that the WA liberals had gone too far left and that is why they lost. So people replaced the party with another that is further left because they had lurched left?

The person that wrote it was from WA so rain gauge may be onto something regarding that 4.7%.
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#1411979 - 13/03/2017 10:31 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I honestly think that aussie politicians are barely relevant.

Some may have read a book 'Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind'. In that book the author Harari explained how human values have been continually shifting since our earliest beginnings.

This vid is Harari reviewing his new book 'Homo Deus: A Brief History of Tomorrow' ...though Kindle may not have offered it to you as will become clear as you watch the vid :yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ1yS9JIJKs&feature=youtu.be
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#1411984 - 13/03/2017 11:32 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Hanson is a Demagogue.

So is Trump, so was Hitler.

Hanson supporters might need to google what that means So I've done it for them.

demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from Greek δημαγωγός, a popular leader, a leader of a mob, from δῆμος, people, populace, the commons + ἀγωγός leading, leader)or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation.[ Demagogues have usually advocated immediate, violent action to address a national crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty. Demagogues overturn established customs of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so. Most who were elected to high office changed their democracy into some form of managed democracy.

Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population. From Wiki.
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#1411987 - 13/03/2017 11:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I personally think the Hanson factor in the WA result has been overplayed.

WA has been feeling the outcomes from trickle down economics for some time. Basically there is no trickle down, the richest just hoard.

Turnbull might want to take attention at the outcome and do something about the extreme right in the coalition, otherwise it will be same result for them next federal election.
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#1411993 - 13/03/2017 12:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
I personally think the Hanson factor in the WA result has been overplayed.

WA has been feeling the outcomes from trickle down economics for some time. Basically there is no trickle down, the richest just hoard.

Turnbull might want to take attention at the outcome and do something about the extreme right in the coalition, otherwise it will be same result for them next federal election.


If it were held today it would be the same result. Especially with Hanson refusing to accept fault for the WA disaster. The Australian public have had a gutful of parties laying blame everywhere else. All parties.
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#1412005 - 13/03/2017 13:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Does appear that being an incumbent in elections in the Western world is a factor in all elections (not the deciding one - but definitely in the mix). Recent polls suggest the Victorian State govt, ALP, would also be chucked out quite convincingly if an election were held now. Of course much can happen between polls and an eventual election but does appear that politicians on the whole are on the nose and the sitting government whichever flavour they are might take some hits on that basis in addition to whatever other issues are present.
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#1412058 - 13/03/2017 18:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: rain gauge]
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Originally Posted By: rain gauge
Hanson is a Demagogue.

So is Trump, so was Hitler.

Hanson supporters might need to google what that means So I've done it for them.

demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from Greek δημαγωγός, a popular leader, a leader of a mob, from δῆμος, people, populace, the commons + ἀγωγός leading, leader)or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation.[ Demagogues have usually advocated immediate, violent action to address a national crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty. Demagogues overturn established customs of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so. Most who were elected to high office changed their democracy into some form of managed democracy.

Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population. From Wiki.


Pretty well spot on there. But you forgot one thing. When and why demagogues appear. They turn up when things are on a fast downward spiral due to corruption and an inability to govern in the establishment. These figures are a symptom of the problem and will keep reappearing until the disease is dealt with.

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#1412065 - 13/03/2017 18:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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https://www.businessinsider.com.au/scott...-a-house-2017-3

Yeah because there's so many jobs on offer for youth in a place like Tamworth.

Idiot.

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#1412066 - 13/03/2017 19:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Idiot.


...and he's the treasurer laugh laugh
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#1412069 - 13/03/2017 19:10 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: rain gauge
Hanson is a Demagogue.

So is Trump, so was Hitler.

Hanson supporters might need to google what that means So I've done it for them.

demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from Greek δημαγωγός, a popular leader, a leader of a mob, from δῆμος, people, populace, the commons + ἀγωγός leading, leader)or rabble-rouser is a leader in a democracy who gains popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people, whipping up the passions of the crowd and shutting down reasoned deliberation.[ Demagogues have usually advocated immediate, violent action to address a national crisis while accusing moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness or disloyalty. Demagogues overturn established customs of political conduct, or promise or threaten to do so. Most who were elected to high office changed their democracy into some form of managed democracy.

Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population. From Wiki.


Pretty well spot on there. But you forgot one thing. When and why demagogues appear. They turn up when things are on a fast downward spiral due to corruption and an inability to govern in the establishment. These figures are a symptom of the problem and will keep reappearing until the disease is dealt with.

"They turn up when things are on a fast downward spiral due to corruption and an inability to govern in the establishment."

Don't remember that happening in the USA, Trump convinced a lot of gullible people there was a problem.

"They gain popularity by exploiting prejudice and ignorance among the common people"

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#1412098 - 13/03/2017 20:58 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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You don't remember that happening in the US Redwatch? Must be blind. Hate to tell you it is happening all over the western world. The 'elite' of the establishment and the rise and rise of cultural Marxism is the disease. The demagogues are the ugly symptoms.

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#1412128 - 13/03/2017 22:39 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Cultural Marxism refers to two things:
First — extremely rarely — "Cultural Marxism" refers to the general application of Marxist ideology and/or Critical Theory to the social sciences.
Second — about 99.9% of the time — "Cultural Marxism" is a snarl word used to attack anyone with progressive tendencies. The term alludes to a conspiracy theory in which sinister left-wingers have infiltrated media, academia, and science and are engaged in a decades- or centuries-long plot to undermine western culture.

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#1412135 - 13/03/2017 23:00 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
You don't remember that happening in the US Redwatch? Must be blind. Hate to tell you it is happening all over the western world. The 'elite' of the establishment and the rise and rise of cultural Marxism is the disease. The demagogues are the ugly symptoms.

There was no fast downward spiral due to corruption and an inability to govern in the establishment just before Trump took office, the economy was better when Trump came into power then before Obama got it.
http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/economy-obama-trump/3670817.html


Edited by Red Watch (13/03/2017 23:03)

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#1412161 - 14/03/2017 07:58 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Economy isn't everything RW. The western world is falling apart. Has been on that path for 15-20 years. As the coalition haters on here love to point out the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. But more importantly people are watching their freedoms being eroded. We have been barreling toward an Orwellian society for a decade plus(close to two) and many have decide to try and stop it. Of course, any who agree with that type Orwellian world will disagree with me ad say there is no problem. Those who believe everyone should be forced to have and express the same opinion love the idea and don't see an issue. Hanson, Trump, La pen, Brexit etc as I said are symptoms of this. Those voting for them hope they are the cure for the disease or if not they might lead to it. I doubt they are personally but I wouldn't bet my house on it.

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#1412165 - 14/03/2017 08:18 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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laugh One for the closet liberals and PHON lovers (one and the same) .

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...e-take-the-quiz

What happened to the praise of Hanson's integrity that was flooding these pages just a couple of weeks back? The integrity of a snake.
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#1412183 - 14/03/2017 10:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
laugh One for the closet liberals and PHON lovers (one and the same) .

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...e-take-the-quiz

What happened to the praise of Hanson's integrity that was flooding these pages just a couple of weeks back? The integrity of a snake.



I have never seen a flood of support for her here. She has had a couple of good thoughts in her life but then gone troppo on them. Example, going from examining the usage of 457 visas to 'stop the migration'.

I personally am terrified at the way our country is going. Our freedoms being eroded daily.

We are being legislated daily into how we raise our children. How we live our lives.

The amount of public surveillance. Every phone call we make. Every key stroke on our computers. We have police tapping houses and cars. Cameras that record our movements on the road.

I know that 'if we aren't doing anything wrong then we have nothing to fear' will be trotted out. I am sure that those living in North Korea have nothing to fear if they are doing nothing their government disapproves of. I am pretty sure though they wish they could do things their govt might disapprove of.

I am really not sure that the politics we suffer are not distraction to prevent us seeing what is really happening in our country

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