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#1427731 - 10/07/2017 08:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
RC Offline
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Originally Posted By: samboz


The current crop of Pollies are ALL shonky RW, (IMO) and interested in personal aggrandisement - not the future of Australia.



They are only following the will of the people.

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#1427742 - 10/07/2017 11:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Good subject of discussion RC, the system with two major parties that seem to have their own agendas, I can't believe Mr/Mrs Average want some of the rubbish they enact.

EG - Offshore purchase of so much of our land and/or resources, letting urban pressure groups dictate policy to country people, filling Aus. with migrants that bring "their" way of life here than denigrates our safety and lifestyle etc etc.


Edited by samboz (10/07/2017 11:51)
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#1427753 - 10/07/2017 15:46 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The G20 failed our youth as globalisation, deregulation and technology alienates workers

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-10/g20-globalisation-failed-our-youth/8692310

Many readers will dismiss this article as leftish trash.

However there are some statistics that may be hard to dismiss.

Referring to Australian Wages to GDP

"It's not just that wage growth here is the lowest on record. Wages, as a share of nominal economic output, has fallen to its lowest level since the Australian Bureau of Statistics began collecting the figures back in 1959. It's now dropped to just 46.2 per cent of GDP"

How about

"If you superimposed a graph of corporate profits as a share of GDP over the top, it represents a mirror image, in reverse. Profits, as a share of GDP, are on track to break a new record following a sharp upward trend in the past few years. It's a similar story in the US and Europe."

I stand by my statements made not long after Abbott and Smoking Joe took office that we are seeing a shift of wealth from working and middle class to corporations, CEOs and billionaires. Some of this is deliberate, the other is the faith based belief of trickle down.

Meanwhile TotalBull is at the G19 crowing about free trade deals with all and sundry. Trouble is we never see the plus side of any free trade deal, especially with Aussie jobs.
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#1427761 - 10/07/2017 17:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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Originally Posted By: samboz
Good subject of discussion RC, the system with two major parties that seem to have their own agendas, I can't believe Mr/Mrs Average want some of the rubbish they enact.



I think you will find a group of people everywhere would approve of the various different pieces of legislation that gets passed.

Not just federal but State as well.

How many people in the community are happy Holden and Ford and Toyota are all shutting down? Now how many would like to go back to the 1960's with huge tariffs on imports so your car choice is essentially a falcadoore, unless you are well off.

How many people complain about globalisation, but love the chinese workers slaving away for $1 an hour six days a week 12 hours a day so Australian's can buy a iphone 1/3rd the price if it had been made in Australia by Australian workers on $20 an hour plus the benefits?

How many people in Australia are happy to tell others how to act and what they can and cannot do with their own property or their own lives.

The older I get I can now see how a lot of the population is very hypocritical.

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#1427774 - 10/07/2017 20:16 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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Originally Posted By: samboz


EG - Offshore purchase of so much of our land and/or resources, filling Aus. with migrants that bring "their" way of life here than denigrates our safety and lifestyle etc etc.


You'll find most people regardless of political leaning believe anyone coming here should integrate and most of us are fed up with it being sold offshore.

Both major parties have failed with this.
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#1427791 - 11/07/2017 07:53 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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"Sensible centre"....the two wisest words I have ever heard muttered by a Liberal.

Now watch Abbott spew his venom in response.
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#1427797 - 11/07/2017 09:14 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Can anyone explain why life is so expensive in Australia? I keep hearing it is because our wages are so high.

But imported things are so pricey compared to their country of origin.

I am into putting food into bottles. Very expensive bottles here. I recently bought 48 bottles for the very bargain price of $116. If I had bought them in Woolies they would have been twice that price.

Yet in the USA I could buy those same bottles for a whole $28. Those retailers are making a profit as well. Is freight really that pricey? Or is this just yet another example of the "Australian tax"?

I believe it is as I am finding that the more people who are using these bottles there are more retailers of them becoming available to us and finding a bargain price of 300% markup instead of 600% is getting a bit easier.

And the government can not understand why we shop online/shop from international sellers instead of their mates who run retail in this country.

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#1427870 - 12/07/2017 11:19 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Is there any govt department that isn't hacking into citizens lives?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-12/ta...ilities/8698800

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#1427887 - 12/07/2017 16:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
"Sensible centre"....the two wisest words I have ever heard muttered by a Liberal.


'the sensible centre' is an oxymoron, and epitomises Turnbull's ineffectual leadership: too scared to stick his neck out on anything, and tries to please everyone. The Coalition and Labor are both centrist: both subscribe to neo-liberal economics, both support insane levels of immigration, both support the lunacy of multiculturalism. And what has the 'sensible centre' delivered?

falling real incomes
declining quality of life through excessive immigration
massive levels of private and public debt
sell off of public assets to private rent seekers
growth of the nanny state
terrorism
political corruption
.. etc

The centre is mediocrity and failure.

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#1427891 - 12/07/2017 17:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The Coalition are centrist? laugh
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#1427921 - 13/07/2017 09:28 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Rob G]
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Originally Posted By: Rob G

'the sensible centre' is an oxymoron, and epitomises Turnbull's ineffectual leadership: too scared to stick his neck out on anything, and tries to please everyone. The Coalition and Labor are both centrist: both subscribe to neo-liberal economics, both support insane levels of immigration, both support the lunacy of multiculturalism. And what has the 'sensible centre' delivered?

falling real incomes
declining quality of life through excessive immigration
massive levels of private and public debt
sell off of public assets to private rent seekers
growth of the nanny state
terrorism
political corruption
.. etc

The centre is mediocrity and failure.


You have my support on that Rob, we still live in the lucky country but I sometimes think it has big changes ahead due to the lack of forward thinking by Fed. Govt.

It might take decades and will be death by a thousand cuts.

Strong leadership and political will would be a breath of fresh air and have a chance of saving the day.

Will of the people, I don't think so.


Edited by samboz (13/07/2017 09:29)
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#1427928 - 13/07/2017 10:00 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Rob G]
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Originally Posted By: Rob G}
both support insane levels of immigration, both support the lunacy of multiculturalism. And what has the 'sensible centre' delivered?



The perverse irony is that high immigration has keep our dead economy alive.

Whether you believe it is the tax payer paying, or the migrants getting their own income, the fact remains that they become consumers keeping the money go round ticking over - they buy TV's, DVD's, cars, food, rent or buy homes. etc

Take that away and we would really see just how the consumer and retail economy has stalled under the trickle down economics.
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#1427944 - 13/07/2017 15:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
The Coalition are centrist? laugh


They are more left of centre I think.

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#1427947 - 13/07/2017 16:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: bundybear]
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What are ya putting in those bottles bundybear ?

$2.40 odd ea isn't too bad ... considering they are probably made in China or India !!!

p.s there are some great minds on here why not start up our own Political Party .. could be any worse..lol

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#1427952 - 13/07/2017 17:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: BlueyZarsoff]
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Originally Posted By: BlueyZarsoff
What are ya putting in those bottles bundybear ?

$2.40 odd ea isn't too bad ... considering they are probably made in China or India !!!

p.s there are some great minds on here why not start up our own Political Party .. could be any worse..lol


I put things like lemon pepper chicken. Beef stew. Lamb stew. Good meat stocks. All sorts of things you can buy in cans but this is all no preservatives. Good home cooking.

The jars are made in the USA and are specially designed to withstand being a pressure canner for long periods which is a necessity for bottling some foods. Others like jams and that I just re-use commercial bottles.

If I had bought those same bottles in Big W it would have cost me twice as much. In the USA those same bottles would have cost me about 1/5.

I have had a few people who want me to run for local council but I am happy to agitate for change from the background. A will vote for a political party made up from real people with life experience and intelligence though. smile

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#1427953 - 13/07/2017 17:28 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
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Originally Posted By: RC
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
The Coalition are centrist? laugh


They are more left of centre I think.


laugh laugh
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#1427955 - 13/07/2017 17:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Ball Mason jars bb ?

We have round 4 x doz also, pickles, chillies for the year, tom. sauce etc.

My Green Tom. Pickles is met with family applause........must have fluked a good one - want the recipe, drop a line grin

Politics, rather talk tucker lol.
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#1427961 - 13/07/2017 19:22 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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You can laugh all you like Coldfront, but they are.

Look at the national welfare bill, last I heard it was $160 billion a year and rising rapidly. Welfare is not something you associate with right wing parties. Look at all the rules and regulation we have. Workers are treated like they are made of cotton wool in this country. Again, not something you associate with right wing'ism.

Individuality and the rights of the individual play second fiddle to the whims of "society". A left wing attribute.

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#1427962 - 13/07/2017 19:25 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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Originally Posted By: samboz
Ball Mason jars bb ?

We have round 4 x doz also, pickles, chillies for the year, tom. sauce etc.

My Green Tom. Pickles is met with family applause........must have fluked a good one - want the recipe, drop a line grin

Politics, rather talk tucker lol.


Yes, those ball mason jars. I am not sure how many of them I own as I have been buying them for a few years now. I wish they were cheaper though. I keep them for the pressure canner that I will be using this weekend to put up some beef stew, lamb stew, beef stock, braised steak and onions. Then it will be onto satay chicken in bottles.

Feel free to share your pickles recipe. I need to make more pickled cucumbers now. Down to just 2 bottles in the pantry.

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#1427966 - 13/07/2017 20:40 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
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Originally Posted By: RC
but they are.


laugh laugh laugh
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