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#1444352 - 08/12/2017 22:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Gad]
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Originally Posted By: Gad
Originally Posted By: Kino
Meanwhile Bill is massively damaged goods with all his dodgy citizenship issues that he PROMISED and GUARANTEED would not happen.


were they written down?

or like Tony Abbotts unwritten discarded apple cores, that Abbotts still using

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lead...4b01a40155b5fcd


Ahhh good to see Abbott derangement syndrome still alive & well. Newsflash, Abbott isn’t PM and Bull mislead parliament.


Edited by Kino (08/12/2017 22:12)

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#1444353 - 08/12/2017 22:14 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Someone forgot to tell Abbott he's not PM.
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#1444354 - 08/12/2017 22:15 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Ahhh, another sufferer....

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#1444359 - 08/12/2017 22:25 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Yes most of us are suffering under this Coalition of corporate thieves pretending to be a government.
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#1444361 - 08/12/2017 22:30 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: Kino
Originally Posted By: Gad
Originally Posted By: Kino
Meanwhile Bill is massively damaged goods with all his dodgy citizenship issues that he PROMISED and GUARANTEED would not happen.


were they written down?

or like Tony Abbotts unwritten discarded apple cores, that Abbotts still using

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lead...4b01a40155b5fcd


Ahhh good to see Abbott derangement syndrome still alive & well. Newsflash, Abbott isn’t PM and Bull mislead parliament.


recall! Abbott was PM when he explained the difference between unwritted bull and discarded apple core bull


Edited by Gad (08/12/2017 22:32)

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#1444362 - 08/12/2017 22:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Gad]
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Originally Posted By: Gad

or like Tony Abbotts unwritten discarded apple cores, that Abbotts still using

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lead...4b01a40155b5fcd


Wow an opinion piece! From a political journo who writes in the article on several occasions "Abbott spent all day debating", MPs had 15min each to speak. That is maximum time on a bill bar second and third readings. And Tony Abbott told the media a month ago that he would abstain unless ammendments were met. He also told media a month ago that Australia and the Parliament should recognise the survey result.
This was all missed in this opinion piece, so called.
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#1444363 - 08/12/2017 22:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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While I'm here and the weather's not doing anything much, I thought I might just throw in a comment about the passing of Marriage Equality by the Australian Parliament, before it all disappears over the horizon of "what was all the fuss about?"

(Begin rant)

I see that the Prime Minister has been claiming credit for the result. Sorry, I'm not buying. The result was achieved in spite of Malcolm, in spite of the "Liberals", not because of them. While economically, Malcolm is fully on board with his party's hard right IPA economic program, most Australians thought, when he became Prime Minister 27 months ago that socially, unlike his predecessor and unlike the major part of his party, he was a 'liberal'. As we have seen since then, to the extent that this was ever true, it hasn't informed his Prime Ministership.

Malcolm facilitated his party's Right Wing in delaying and obstructing yesterday's result for 27 months. He foisted a ridiculous and totally unnecessary fake plebiscite / survey on the LGBTI community, their families and the rest of us. Yesterday he voted with the Right to support totally unnecessary and demeaning "protections" that would have delayed yesterday's result until February / March at earliest, giving the Right a chance to regather for another round.

I think Malcolm's game plan yesterday was as follows: support some amendments to keep in the Right’s good books, possibly while secretly hoping they’d fail. Claim credit if Marriage Equality were passed this year. Blame Labor / Shorten if delayed. Win-win for Malcolm, which is all he cared about.

No credit to Malcolm, nor to the three quarters of the "Liberal" Parliamentary party who voted for further obstruction and delay.

(End rant)


Edited by Steve777 (08/12/2017 22:50)
Edit Reason: Tidy up

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#1444364 - 08/12/2017 22:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
While I'm here and the weather's not doing anything much, I thought I might just throw in a comment about the passing of Marriage Equality by the Australian Parliament, before it all disappears over the horizon of "what was all the fuss about?"

(Begin rant)

I see that the Prime Minister has been claiming credit for the result. Sorry, I'm not buying. The result was achieved in spite of Malcolm, in spite of the "Liberals", not because of them. While economically, Malcolm is fully on board with his party's hard right IPA economic program, most Australians thought when he became Prime Minister 27 months ago that socially, unlike his predecessor and unlike the major part of his party, he was a 'liberal'. As we have seen since then, to the extent that this was ever true, it hasn't informed his Prime Ministership.

Malcolm facilitated his party's Right Wing in delaying and obstructing yesterday's result for 27 months. He foisted a ridiculous and totally unnecessary fake plebiscite / survey on the LGBTI community, their families and the rest of us. Yesterday he voted with the Right to support totally unnecessary and demeaning "protections" that would have delayed yesterday's result until February / March at earliest, given the Right a chance to regather for another round.

I think Malcolm's game plan yesterday was as follows: support some amendments to keep in the Right’s good books, possibly while secretly hoping they’d fail. Claim credit if Marriage Equality were passed this year. Blame Labor / Shorten if delayed. Win-win for Malcolm, which is all he cared about.

No credit to Malcolm, nor to the three quarters of the "Liberal" Parliamentary party who voted for further obstruction and delay.

(End rant)


Yep . Nailed it.
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#1444365 - 08/12/2017 22:54 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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You are entitled to rant Steve, however Turnbull didn't back the proposed amendments put forward in the lower house yesterday.
1. because it would delay the bill as you mentioned, he promised to have it law by Christmas.
2. Because he said in his presser that this bill did not undermine religious freedoms. Turnbull also said a separate parliamentary panel would investigate all religious freedoms.
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#1444368 - 08/12/2017 23:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
Originally Posted By: Gad

or like Tony Abbotts unwritten discarded apple cores, that Abbotts still using

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lead...4b01a40155b5fcd


Wow an opinion piece! From a political journo who writes in the article on several occasions "Abbott spent all day debating", MPs had 15min each to speak. That is maximum time on a bill bar second and third readings. And Tony Abbott told the media a month ago that he would abstain unless ammendments were met. He also told media a month ago that Australia and the Parliament should recognise the survey result.
This was all missed in this opinion piece, so called.

This bit explains why they went for a plebiscite......
"The former prime minister was the architect of the idea of a plebiscite for same-sex marriage, proposing it back in 2015 rather than a parliamentary vote.
While we all suspected the reason behind his enthusiasm was to shirk parliamentary responsibility and delay the inevitable and just, he insisted it was about democracy."

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#1444370 - 08/12/2017 23:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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the plebiscite idea was brought up to please both sides of the debate within the Liberal party room. Why would a PM bring up the topic, after the previous government before him had no policy on it. let it become a hot topic by bringing up in the public eye, then use it as a delaying tactic allowing the opposition and media to continue to pound the issue? doesn't make sense, politically.
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#1444371 - 09/12/2017 00:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Nothing this government is doing makes sense politically.
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#1444374 - 09/12/2017 00:25 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Nothing this government is doing makes sense politically.


Yet, the SSM bill passed.
Yet, there have been 180 other pieces of legislation passed since the last election.
Yet, national unemployment is lower than it was when Labor left government.
Yet, the 172,000 jobs currently being advertised are at the highest level under the ANZ survey in 6 years.
Yet, 296,000 jobs were created in the first ten months of this year, the strongest job creation performance in 40 years, the strongest on record for the entire labour force survey history.
Yet, 4/5 of these jobs are full time.
Yet, wage growth is (finally) starting to see some gains again with 13/17 employment sectors seeing increases averaging 2.5% (which is still biggest issue around IMO).
Yet, businesses conditions are the best in 20 years.
Yet, we have the longest run of monthly trade surpluses of positive trade in 40 years.

But hey dont we just love to be negative Nancy's?
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#1444375 - 09/12/2017 00:28 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
Originally Posted By: Gad

or like Tony Abbotts unwritten discarded apple cores, that Abbotts still using

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/lead...4b01a40155b5fcd


Wow an opinion piece! From a political journo who writes in the article on several occasions "Abbott spent all day debating", MPs had 15min each to speak. That is maximum time on a bill bar second and third readings. And Tony Abbott told the media a month ago that he would abstain unless ammendments were met. He also told media a month ago that Australia and the Parliament should recognise the survey result.
This was all missed in this opinion piece, so called.


yeah Mick, it is like every one else`s here an opinion, that`s why I didn`t do a small cut and paste, of just the bottom section, the top 3/4 of the piece gave a fairly accurate account of him during the period refered to.......
The people of Warringah, who Mr Abbott has represented for the past 23 years, delivered one of the most emphatic displays of support for gay marriage marry when they returned their postal votes. An overwhelming 75 per cent of voters in his electorate voted Yes.
They sent a message to their MP, who had promised to communicate that to the parliament.

Yes he did say he would abstain if admendments were not met, knowing they had buckleys chances anyway (cop out time), so when it came time to vote why couldn`t he vote NO after all he was the central vocal voice of the No`s, Abbott couldn`t stand up for his own belief, let alone for his electorate with or with out admendments No is No to his whole No to SSM

any way the SSM issue is finalised, so good night from me and everybody keep pedalling your political mouse wheels sooner or later the axels must break laugh


Edited by Gad (09/12/2017 00:31)

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#1444385 - 09/12/2017 08:41 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
While I'm here and the weather's not doing anything much, I thought I might just throw in a comment about the passing of Marriage Equality by the Australian Parliament, before it all disappears over the horizon of "what was all the fuss about?"

(Begin rant)

I see that the Prime Minister has been claiming credit for the result. Sorry, I'm not buying. The result was achieved in spite of Malcolm, in spite of the "Liberals", not because of them. While economically, Malcolm is fully on board with his party's hard right IPA economic program, most Australians thought, when he became Prime Minister 27 months ago that socially, unlike his predecessor and unlike the major part of his party, he was a 'liberal'. As we have seen since then, to the extent that this was ever true, it hasn't informed his Prime Ministership.

Malcolm facilitated his party's Right Wing in delaying and obstructing yesterday's result for 27 months. He foisted a ridiculous and totally unnecessary fake plebiscite / survey on the LGBTI community, their families and the rest of us. Yesterday he voted with the Right to support totally unnecessary and demeaning "protections" that would have delayed yesterday's result until February / March at earliest, giving the Right a chance to regather for another round.

I think Malcolm's game plan yesterday was as follows: support some amendments to keep in the Right’s good books, possibly while secretly hoping they’d fail. Claim credit if Marriage Equality were passed this year. Blame Labor / Shorten if delayed. Win-win for Malcolm, which is all he cared about.

No credit to Malcolm, nor to the three quarters of the "Liberal" Parliamentary party who voted for further obstruction and delay.

(End rant)


Malcom ensured it would pass before xmas actually. In two ways. First he postponed the lower house sitting until after the bill was passed by senate. That was incase the senate took longer to pass it and ate into the lower house time which may have meant not enough time to go through the process. And second he voted AGAINST amendments. Not for them as you said. Again to make sure it passed. As for delaying tactics. Ask Bill Shorten. When he saw an opportunity to prevent SSM during this term of govt by preventing the plebiscite he didn't hesitate. Why? Not because he wanted to avoid an ugly debate as he and others claim. But because he wanted it as a platform to contest the next election. Now I am not saying that the other side would not do the same thing(they most certainly would because our pollies are in general really scummy). Luckily, Turnbull found a way around the efforts of the 'progrssives' and got the postal survey up and running which achieved the same result the plebiscite would have. It made the position of those against SSM and even those on the fence untenable. It meant an overwhelming victory for the yes vote instead of a mediocre victory which would have given those on the no side far more power in the aftermath. And finally, by ensuring the survey went ahead and the SSM vote in parliament was so successful he should have managed to reduce the influence of the far right of his own party a bit. That gives his govt an opportunity to improve. So because giving him some credit for this would improve his position I don't expect the left to do it as it will improve Turnbulls chance in the next election. No way they will allow that to happen. Politics says it is better to let the country suffer than to give your opposition credit. No, Turnbull has not been a great prime minister but he deserves plenty of credit for this one.

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#1444391 - 09/12/2017 09:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Nothing this government is doing makes sense politically.


Yet, the SSM bill passed.
Yet, there have been 180 other pieces of legislation passed since the last election.
Yet, national unemployment is lower than it was when Labor left government.
Yet, the 172,000 jobs currently being advertised are at the highest level under the ANZ survey in 6 years.
Yet, 296,000 jobs were created in the first ten months of this year, the strongest job creation performance in 40 years, the strongest on record for the entire labour force survey history.
Yet, 4/5 of these jobs are full time.
Yet, wage growth is (finally) starting to see some gains again with 13/17 employment sectors seeing increases averaging 2.5% (which is still biggest issue around IMO).
Yet, businesses conditions are the best in 20 years.
Yet, we have the longest run of monthly trade surpluses of positive trade in 40 years.

But hey dont we just love to be negative Nancy's?


Is that you Matthias?
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#1444394 - 09/12/2017 10:21 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Nothing this government is doing makes sense politically.


Yet, the SSM bill passed.
Yet, there have been 180 other pieces of legislation passed since the last election.
Yet, national unemployment is lower than it was when Labor left government.
Yet, the 172,000 jobs currently being advertised are at the highest level under the ANZ survey in 6 years.
Yet, 296,000 jobs were created in the first ten months of this year, the strongest job creation performance in 40 years, the strongest on record for the entire labour force survey history.
Yet, 4/5 of these jobs are full time.
Yet, wage growth is (finally) starting to see some gains again with 13/17 employment sectors seeing increases averaging 2.5% (which is still biggest issue around IMO).
Yet, businesses conditions are the best in 20 years.
Yet, we have the longest run of monthly trade surpluses of positive trade in 40 years.

But hey dont we just love to be negative Nancy's?


Don’t confuse them with facts Mick, the left don’t like facts they love confected nostalgia to cover their shocking records - supposedly the “tolerant” side of politics but in essence the biggest charlatans - both Labor and Greens have strict vote along party lines or be disendorsed and thrown under the bus.... rank hypocrites.

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#1444404 - 09/12/2017 11:20 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront

Is that you Matthias?


Originally Posted By: Kino

Don’t confuse them with facts Mick


Using CF's own words Kino - "look over there"
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#1444405 - 09/12/2017 11:36 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
Malcom ensured it would pass before xmas actually. In two ways. First he postponed the lower house sitting until after the bill was passed by senate. That was incase the senate took longer to pass it and ate into the lower house time which may have meant not enough time to go through the process. And second he voted AGAINST amendments. Not for them as you said. Again to make sure it passed. As for delaying tactics. Ask Bill Shorten. When he saw an opportunity to prevent SSM during this term of govt by preventing the plebiscite he didn't hesitate. Why? Not because he wanted to avoid an ugly debate as he and others claim. But because he wanted it as a platform to contest the next election. Now I am not saying that the other side would not do the same thing(they most certainly would because our pollies are in general really scummy). Luckily, Turnbull found a way around the efforts of the 'progrssives' and got the postal survey up and running which achieved the same result the plebiscite would have. It made the position of those against SSM and even those on the fence untenable. It meant an overwhelming victory for the yes vote instead of a mediocre victory which would have given those on the no side far more power in the aftermath. And finally, by ensuring the survey went ahead and the SSM vote in parliament was so successful he should have managed to reduce the influence of the far right of his own party a bit. That gives his govt an opportunity to improve. So because giving him some credit for this would improve his position I don't expect the left to do it as it will improve Turnbulls chance in the next election. No way they will allow that to happen. Politics says it is better to let the country suffer than to give your opposition credit. No, Turnbull has not been a great prime minister but he deserves plenty of credit for this one.


This!

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#1444406 - 09/12/2017 11:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
While I'm here and the weather's not doing anything much, I thought I might just throw in a comment about the passing of Marriage Equality by the Australian Parliament, before it all disappears over the horizon of "what was all the fuss about?"

(Begin rant)

I see that the Prime Minister has been claiming credit for the result. Sorry, I'm not buying. The result was achieved in spite of Malcolm, in spite of the "Liberals", not because of them. While economically, Malcolm is fully on board with his party's hard right IPA economic program, most Australians thought, when he became Prime Minister 27 months ago that socially, unlike his predecessor and unlike the major part of his party, he was a 'liberal'. As we have seen since then, to the extent that this was ever true, it hasn't informed his Prime Ministership.

Malcolm facilitated his party's Right Wing in delaying and obstructing yesterday's result for 27 months. He foisted a ridiculous and totally unnecessary fake plebiscite / survey on the LGBTI community, their families and the rest of us. Yesterday he voted with the Right to support totally unnecessary and demeaning "protections" that would have delayed yesterday's result until February / March at earliest, giving the Right a chance to regather for another round.

I think Malcolm's game plan yesterday was as follows: support some amendments to keep in the Right’s good books, possibly while secretly hoping they’d fail. Claim credit if Marriage Equality were passed this year. Blame Labor / Shorten if delayed. Win-win for Malcolm, which is all he cared about.

No credit to Malcolm, nor to the three quarters of the "Liberal" Parliamentary party who voted for further obstruction and delay.

(End rant)


Good rant - sadly devoid of facts.

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