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#1228500 - 02/01/2014 14:58 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
Locke Offline
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Blair, do you know if any of the inland stations have records that cover the whole of the 1930's or earlier?
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#1228503 - 02/01/2014 15:10 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Loc: Under the Meso (or Springfield...
48.7 at Moomba...come on!
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#1228504 - 02/01/2014 15:16 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Prior to 1939, the only real outback SA sites were Tarcoola, Cook (no longer reporting) and Farina (south of Marree). As I've mentioned elsewhere, in those days the Bureau wasn't interested in getting temperature observations from outback sites unless they could communicate their observations in time to be used in weather forecasting (in practice this meant being on a telegraph line).

In Queensland, Boulia goes back to the late 1880s but its reporting in the recent event has been erratic. In NSW Tibooburra goes back to 1910. A bit further east, the likes of Longreach, Charleville, Bourke and Cobar all go back to 1910 or earlier. NT had Alice Springs and Tennant Creek (as well as Charlotte Waters/Finke, but none of the daily data from those sites are digitised before 1957).

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#1228506 - 02/01/2014 15:28 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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COME ON SO Close Scared it will stop at 49.8c some one put a hair dryer on it

Widespread high 40s in SA ad QLd Birdsville 48c as well huge area of high heat

Got another 2 hours till heating drops off

GO SON GO
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#1228508 - 02/01/2014 15:35 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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The extreme heat has spread into NW NSW with Bourke maxing at 46.4 so far, with Tiboburra and White Cliffs getting to 47.2, Walgett on 45.4.

Cloud in the Southern and Central parts of the State is limiting temps there to the mid to high 30s.

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#1228509 - 02/01/2014 15:39 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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49.3c

COME ON GO YOU GOOD THING whats 0.7c
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#1228511 - 02/01/2014 15:50 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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I think that may be it. The temps are flucuating but they're now back in the mid 48s. I don't know where we're going to find that extra 1.6c from

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#1228512 - 02/01/2014 15:51 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Quite a bit of cloud moving in on Moomba now so will fall just short as usual I think.

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#1228513 - 02/01/2014 15:53 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Only need 0.7c but with cloud to its Sw think we may stall at 49.7 or 49.8c which would suck.

Dont care about the 50.7 agree that is looking out of reach, just want 50.0c or 50.1c even better, but thinking once again might fall just .4 to .2 short.
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#1228515 - 02/01/2014 16:08 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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49.3C was my tip but I reckon it's got one more blast in it before it drops with cloud slowly.

TS cool

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#1228516 - 02/01/2014 16:08 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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well they are down to 47.4C so it's going to be a struggle!

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#1228518 - 02/01/2014 16:11 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Yep, going in the wrong direction now.
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#1228519 - 02/01/2014 16:18 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Very close but no cigar, again! Obviously the airmass above needed to be just that little bit warmer than the 30-31c @ 850hpa on the 00z GFS.

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#1228522 - 02/01/2014 16:31 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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All over DAM IT so close once again well till next year.
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#1228523 - 02/01/2014 16:32 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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come on Birdsville give us a surprise and hit 50 grin

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#1228524 - 02/01/2014 16:40 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Yep Bedourie and Windorah on 48.0 Saw max higher before on WZ . Any chance we know the max today?

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#1228528 - 02/01/2014 16:59 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Blair Trewin]
Locke Offline
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Originally Posted By: Blair Trewin
Prior to 1939, the only real outback SA sites were Tarcoola, Cook (no longer reporting) and Farina (south of Marree). As I've mentioned elsewhere, in those days the Bureau wasn't interested in getting temperature observations from outback sites unless they could communicate their observations in time to be used in weather forecasting (in practice this meant being on a telegraph line).

In Queensland, Boulia goes back to the late 1880s but its reporting in the recent event has been erratic. In NSW Tibooburra goes back to 1910. A bit further east, the likes of Longreach, Charleville, Bourke and Cobar all go back to 1910 or earlier. NT had Alice Springs and Tennant Creek (as well as Charlotte Waters/Finke, but none of the daily data from those sites are digitised before 1957).


Thanks Blair. Always nice to have someone with your knowlege and experience to respond to questions.

How reliable does BOM consider some of those really old temperature readings in places such as Bourke, Cobar, Charleville and Longreach. There seem to be some fairly long standing records at those locations.
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#1228534 - 02/01/2014 17:55 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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In general the records are reliable since Stevenson screens were installed, which had occurred across most of the network by 1910 (mostly around 1908-09 in NSW, and early-mid 1890s in Queensland). Prior to Stevenson screen installation they can't be considered comparable, especially in NSW where a lot were hung under tin verandahs and the like (and it doesn't need much imagination to work out what happens to a tin verandah in an outback summer). In general, for climate change work and for reports on extremes we don't consider pre-1910 data unless we have evidence that it was measured in a Stevenson screen or something equivalent.

Someone at the University of Melbourne has recently completed a study of early Australian temperature data, including estimating the corrections required to make them comparable to modern exposures. In many cases these are substantial (e.g. 3-4 degrees for maximum temperatures at Bourke in summer).

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#1228535 - 02/01/2014 17:58 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Looks like a lot of near-misses on records today - numerous locations getting within a degree of records (e.g. 0.3 at Moomba, 0.3 at Alice Springs, 0.9 at Birdsville) but not many actually setting them.

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#1228551 - 02/01/2014 20:33 Re: Inland Aus major heatwave event - Jan 2014 [Re: Ken Kato]
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Legendre Island NW WA. Max 47.7C
Would that be right ? Karratha was only 37C

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