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#1267735 - 27/06/2014 18:04 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
ColdFront Offline
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Try this one. Virus scan it before opening. My AV didn't pick anything up but that doesn't mean it's clean.

http://picmarkr.com/
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#1270267 - 18/07/2014 08:35 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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It appears Russia may have inadvertently shot down a Malaysian Airlines flight over Ukraine.

Some extraordinary transcripts on the news .A total of 298 people dead including 27 Australians.
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#1270292 - 18/07/2014 10:29 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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One of australias worst aviation disasters in terms of aussies lost.

these people are scum. Absolute scum of the earth.

Rebels have the black box. The crime scenes been interferred. Its all crap.
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#1270293 - 18/07/2014 10:31 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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The gov can't do anything to bring the perpetrators to justice. No one can.
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#1270337 - 18/07/2014 15:12 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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It's a war. Bad stuff happens in war. It's pretty obvious they didn't target it knowing it was a civilian aircraft so I think it is pretty disgusting to be labelling it a terrorist act. If that is the case then every civilian death ever in war is just that. Are we going to crucify our brave Aussie soldiers who have inadvertently killed civilian in war? Same thing.

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#1270357 - 18/07/2014 16:40 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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How the [censored] is it disgusting labelling it a terrorist attack?

Did it enforce terror on those who burnt to death?
I hope you knew no one on board brett. Its murder.
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#1270360 - 18/07/2014 17:00 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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It will be interesting to see how both sides play it against each other in a he said she said match. Both countries blame each other.
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#1270361 - 18/07/2014 17:01 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
KevD Offline
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Flew that exact same route only a few days previous. Looked down over the war zone...did not know at the time that they had missiles that could reach 10km up....would have been a lot more nervous if I had known. Looks like it was a known threat for some time - some carriers avoiding the area, looks like Malaysia and Singapore that I flew with decided to risk lives to save some fuel $. Hope they get strung up for it as well.
Murder? Yep, with you on that one Trav. Perhaps the idiots on the ground should have learnt how to identify aircraft before shooting several hundred people out of the air.

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#1270367 - 18/07/2014 17:20 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: Dawgggg]
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Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
How the [censored] is it disgusting labelling it a terrorist attack?

Did it enforce terror on those who burnt to death?
I hope you knew no one on board brett. Its murder.


Because a terrorist attack is intentionally targeting a particular group of civilians in order to cause terror within that group. Plain and simple. As horrible as this was I highly doubt the Ukrainian rebels intentionally targeted a Civilian passenger aircraft. What it is is a bunch of Fwits in control of weapons they are not capable of using properly. You cant however just turn around and label it terrorism because it suits your political agenda. It is these sorts of lies and distortions of truth/fact that lead to conflicts like this in the first place. I am simply saying that it is better to be brutally honest rather than go off half cocked because you are upset by events.

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#1270369 - 18/07/2014 17:45 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Im sure as hell that they blew that plane out of the sky on purpose. Its a popular route thats used every single damn day by countless other commercial airlines.

that is just an excuse for an act of terrorism.

RIP to all on board.
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#1270370 - 18/07/2014 17:48 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Does that mean 911 wasnt an act of terror? I dont see much difference between flying a plane into a building, opposed to blowing it out of the sky?

Americans were not the only ones killed in 911.

Thats scary bello. Stuff that.
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#1270371 - 18/07/2014 18:01 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: Dawgggg]
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Originally Posted By: Trav dawwggg
Does that mean 911 wasnt an act of terror? I dont see much difference between flying a plane into a building, opposed to blowing it out of the sky?

Americans were not the only ones killed in 911.

Thats scary bello. Stuff that.


No In 9 11 they INTENTIONALLY targeted civilians. If you count unintentionally killing civilians as terrorism then you are accusing all soldiers including our own of terrorism. If on the other hand they knew they were targeting civilans then yes it is terrorism but from the recordings I heard it is blatantly obvious that is not the caase


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#1270373 - 18/07/2014 18:03 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: Brett Guy]
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Quote { Are we going to crucify our brave Aussie soldiers who have inadvertently killed civilian in war? Same thing.}

I think you insult our defence force people, past and present

Collateral damage (as in non-combatant deaths) = unintentional killing of non-combatants during attacks on legitimate enemy targets.

The flaw with your ‘same thing’ is: the terrorists did NOT identify a ‘legitimate enemy target’ they blew a civilian aircraft out of the sky on the ‘assumption’ that it was a Ukrainian military plane.

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#1270375 - 18/07/2014 18:15 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Actually I am defending our defence force people. Mistakes can be made and are made by all. Yes they made an 'assumption' which was ridiculous at best but the fact remains there goal was to attack Ukranian military targets and they thought it was a legitimate target. If you change the definition of terrorism to suit yourself whenever something happens you don't like then terrorism no longer has any meaning. Have you noticed that every fight nowadays has someone(often everyone) labelled as a terrorist. The key word is INTENTIONALLY. And this attack while horrible and tragic and committed by people who are very questionable, was not intentionally an attack on civilians.

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#1270376 - 18/07/2014 18:19 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Loc: Townsville
Like I said, the people who burned to death and fell 10,000 metres probably felt pretty terrified.

Id like you to explain to me evidence that the voilent crime wasnt intentional.

Cus to be honest, in the audio recordings, they didnt seem too concerned.



Edited by Trav dawwggg (18/07/2014 18:22)
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#1270377 - 18/07/2014 18:23 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
Brett Guy Offline
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Just going by the recorded phone calls everyone has heard Trav. That is the only evidence we have at the moment and from that alone it is clearly a case of mistaken identity. If that changes I will be more than happy to jump on the terrorism bandwagon but until then I will remain objective. It's what I do.

Maybe they didn't sound concerned to you Trav but they sounded a bit taken aback to me. Emotional no but worried yes.


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#1270380 - 18/07/2014 18:36 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
teckert Offline
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guys the whole term of terrorists in relation to this is because Ukrainian officials often use the term “terrorist” to describe pro-Russian separatists. They were the ones that initially used the term to describe this and since then media have also used the term.
Got nothing to do with the actual incident...

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#1270383 - 18/07/2014 19:09 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
Brett Guy Offline
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I have heard the incident described as an act of terrorism. That is my gripe. It isn't. And it alters the definition of the term. This is a horrible incident and the idiots that perpertrated it should be held to account but you can't just go around changing the definition of words as you see fit. They then have no meaning.

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#1270385 - 18/07/2014 19:12 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: teckert]
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Registered: 27/12/2010
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Loc: Silkstone
Yes Brett, I should have used a term like ‘insurgent militia’ ‘armed rebels’ etc etc instead of ‘terrorists’ , but to compare our defence force people to their insurrection cause is insulting.

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#1270404 - 18/07/2014 22:42 Re: Aviation, Flying, and your flying / travel experiences & photos / movies... [Re: tornadochaser_76]
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Registered: 17/12/2009
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Loc: Port Hedland WA / Darwin NT
I wonder was it termed "terrorism" when the US had their whoopsy back in 1988?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/3/newsid_4678000/4678707.stm
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