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#1287060 - 01/12/2014 16:46 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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... it's their policies that matter ...


For some. For others not so much. Tribalism at its best. But that is what Australia is devolving to. A 60 bio deficit is considered too austere by the rentseekers.

See de Tocqueville and bread and circuses in general.

If you look at the last Vic election press realeases - It’s page after page boasting of handouts. “Free” stuff by the cartload to all and sundry. And that was the Libs! A pretty bloody sad way to run a state!
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#1287064 - 01/12/2014 17:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
My apologies Arnost. I honestly believed you were being sarcastic shocked


Thank you. Appreciate that.

I know I'm sarcastic a lot - but in this case I'm deadly serious. Unless Abbott starts to actually do what he needs to do for the welfare of Australia, he doesn't deserve to be where he is. He may have talked the talk and walked the walk as opposition leader but he started to show his colours near the end. In his desperation to be seen as a nice guy, he set himself up for failure. LOL the best description was he: Turned a landslide into a comfortable win.

And his continued flip flopping since is just a manifestation of him continuing on that path. It has gone on for too long and is a massive character flaw.

A PM's role is not to be nice but to do the best that can be done for Australia - you do that there is no fear of being turfed. Instead we have 90% of pollies effort spent on machiavellian machinations on how to get elected or spring a gotcha on the opposition. And nothing gets done!

At best we get a brainfade of an idea costed on the back of a coaster at the pub one night - and there goes another couple of bill that our kids will have to pay off.

Sorry for rant ... Back to lurking!

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Edited by Rorschach (01/12/2014 17:03)
Edit Reason: A copy cut error!
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#1287206 - 02/12/2014 15:13 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Tony Abbott has finally admitted he broke his promise not to make funding cuts to the ABC. Broken promise

How could anybody have faith in a leader that makes idle promises at election time just to get voted in, then one by one breaks every one. All too common I'm afraid.
I know hes not the only one .. wink

What a great role model for our children ......not !!


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#1287243 - 02/12/2014 18:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Every lasteone of them. It is what pollies do. And the voting public are to blame.

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#1287281 - 02/12/2014 20:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Arnost]
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Originally Posted By: Rorschach
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... it's their policies that matter ...


For some. For others not so much. Tribalism at its best.

The difference between a personality and a policy is that the latter has implications which can either makes a difference, or make it harder for people!
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#1288332 - 06/12/2014 00:41 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Highly recommended reading. Pretty much reflects what some of us were saying prior to the last election .Nice to see the media are finally bringing this clown to account. He is not fit to be PM. Anyone that governs for only part of the population has missed the point of government entirely.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/comment/tony-abbott-our-foxtel-prime-minister-20141205-120mkq.html
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#1288427 - 06/12/2014 09:41 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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i think that is a poorly written piece of Fairfax media. i usually love a read of both side of the media spectrum but this one is pretty bad.
every party will back the sides they represents. labor - unions. liberal - business, greens - well what they feel this week.
the issue i see with abbott government is they are being too nice. if you want to put it into tv perspective. then shortens message are the annoying ads and abbotts is the tv program. but at the moment people are listening to ads and not the program right now.
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#1288457 - 06/12/2014 10:14 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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meanwhile in Victoria, one week in, the unions strangle hold begins once again -
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victori...c58e88d1e1140f7
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#1288466 - 06/12/2014 10:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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LOL Mick. Abbott has no program, no ads, no policy, no idea. Too nice? My sides are hurting. Abbott is looking after big business at the expense of everyone else. He went after the little guy first. That is why his budget is in a mess. The conservatives NEVER inflict any pain on their mates. If corporations paid the tax they are supposed to be we wouldn't have any issues at all.

Herald Sun Murdoch rag making something out of nothing again in Victoria. They've been battling Aldi for years. Murdoch is campaigning to get Newman re-elected so no surprises there. The headline as usual doesn't tell the real story of why. Only after digging a little deeper do we find out why they shut it down.

Unions cannot shut down sites for no reason anymore. They get sued.
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#1288475 - 06/12/2014 11:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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exactly. they cant shut down sites yet they don't have authorisation to do so on this site.
the cops should remove the car blocking the site and charge the mongrel for stopping workers doing their jobs.

and in regards to abbott policy. I am pretty sure they have succeeded in implementing many of their policies. much to labors angst. hence why shorten is only ever on the news trying to rubbish the government instead of coming up with his own ideas. did you watch 730 report Wednesday night. shorten was well.... just way short, he had nothing.
75% of the budget measures have passed the senate. sure some of the big ticket issues remain.
I find it funny how people say the libs look after themselves while imposing a 2% extra tax on those above $150k. they want to place an extra tax on big business to pay for the PPL scheme. they initiated the closing of foreign tax loop holes at the g20 and now focussed on cutting credit card fees being implied by business on the public. sure the government has also given a lot of room to move for business and mining, but didn't previous governments do the same for the car industry? $5000 from every single car made in Australia was from government handouts to the industry at tax payer expense.
at a time when businesses are struggling, do you penalise business more to ensure they don't employ people or do you give them a break to help remain alive and employee people? one of the things you don't hear about on the news is all the extra benefits put into franchises and small business in the past 12months to help get business moving again. because its business that employ and keep this country running.

I cant understand why people don't like an unemployment rate of 6% and national youth unemployment rate of 13%, yet they get angry when the government gives incentives to business to try and employ people.
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#1288485 - 06/12/2014 11:22 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I thought you worked for channel 7? That lot reads straight from News.com. But then even they are starting to turn on Abbott.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but every single major car manufacturer on earth is subsidised by its government and the fastest growing of all of them is Hyundai which pays more than Holden or Ford do and is heavily unionised. They recognised that it is better to subsidise a manufacturing centre and retain skills than have them all unemployed for the same price.

I'm not sure where you've been all week but it wasn't good for the government. Shorten doesn't need to put forward ideas 18 months out from an election. He is an "OPPOSITION" leader. The coalition had nothing either other than negativity and as Karl Stefonovic said this week when Abbott attacked Shorten for being negative "Well it worked for you didn't it?"

...and if the country is broke like Abbott and his trough dwellers have obviously convinced you then we can't afford a PPL.
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#1288487 - 06/12/2014 11:29 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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A raging success story that budget...So much of what has passed has had to be redrawn, so no Mick, 75% of the coalition's budget measures have not been passed.. LOL

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-...205-12191j.html

From the article

"A "command and control" style by Mr Abbott's chief of staff Peta Credlin has alienated key players with ministers complaining that the Prime Minister's Office, known as the PMO, is internally partisan, dividing government MPs and ministers into two camps: those it regards as loyal and, those who question the PMO's judgment or authority.

Pressure is mounting for radical internal changes either to the make-up of the ministry, or to Mr Abbott's own staff.

Senior Liberals are now desperately looking for a circuit breaker, with a reshuffle and a change in Mr Abbott's advisory personnel being advocated.

"Tony likes to describe Peta as the fiercest political warrior he's ever known, but that's the problem," said one backbencher.

Another said Ms Credlin was being unfairly blamed for the below-average performance of key ministers.

But an experienced frontbencher described the mood in the government as "like nothing I've seen before".

"I think it's heading to a crescendo," the minister said.

"Senior voices are not being heard – it is not what is being said in the partyroom that matters, but what was left unsaid … people know that if they speak up they'll face recrimination."

Some Liberals have argued that Mr Hockey should be shifted from the key economic post in any reshuffle.

They say there is a growing "appetite" for replacing him with Mr Turnbull.

The moderate Mr Turnbull is widely regarded as the Coalition's most popular and articulate politician but opponents of the idea say it is fanciful, because treasurers cannot be moved without admitting the government's entire economic policy is flawed."


(my bold)


Originally Posted By: ColdFront
...and if they removed government subsidies to our biggest polluters and miners they'd shut shop too wink Or would they?
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#1288925 - 06/12/2014 22:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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no one, not even this government has said the country is broke. don't get confused between the economy and the budget like the poor old media do.
the economy, while not booming is still going ok. it just the whole 'we are spending too much' that remains the issue.

so going by the previous post you are believing a bunch of lines from 'liberal sources' at Fairfax? this reeks of the Murdoch press and continued 'so called' backbench attacks during the rudd and Gillard era's. the media were relentless on Gillard until they got what they wanted - a change of leadership. it doesn't start in the party, it starts at the editors desk these days.
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#1288946 - 06/12/2014 23:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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You may be right. Given Abbott's treatment of Gillard it would be immensely amusing if he fell at the hands of the media too.
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#1289086 - 07/12/2014 12:13 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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More bad news for the Abbott government. The lib's candidate was the clear favourite to win the SA bi-election. Australians are punishing state liberal parties because of this woeful federal government. He may get home but it's an 8% swing regardless.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-new...omment-44647721

Now there are suggestions Abbott is about to do an about face on his PPL and Pyne has completely redrawn his Uni legislation. Shambles.

Meanwhile even News Ltd are running articles suggesting Abbott's days may be numbered with major discontent from voters and his own backbenches. You'd be hard pressed to find a rag with more right wing bias than the Un-Australian.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/galaxy-...c714f2adb86626c
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#1289094 - 07/12/2014 12:49 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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up until now the labor primary vote was neck with liberals such a shame the people of Australia have such short memories. yesterday I said Shorten didn't have a plan was useless on 730 report. now its pretty obvious, sit there, rubbish everything, don't back anything, speak what to what the electorate wants to hear and continue to screw the nation over.
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#1289097 - 07/12/2014 12:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Haha. Yep people really do have short memories. He's doing exactly what Abbott did in opposition. Hilarious.

That's one of the people who supported Abbott in the lead up to the last election tearing strips off him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxK4m9_-0r8

Fastest plunge for an incoming government in Australian political history .You are one of only a handful of people trying to defend this rabble and have mastered the art of blaming labor for the coalition's woes.

Look over there >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's their fault. wink Standard liberal rhetoric.

Hocket promised a budget surplus. Watch this space. Plunging consumer confidence this year is ALL Abbott's government's doing.

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#1289098 - 07/12/2014 12:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Goes to show that if you vote for any of them you are an idiot

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#1289107 - 07/12/2014 13:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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$75,000 ,now $50,000 and likely to go down further. Another coalition policy disaster.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-new...al-leave-scheme


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#1289120 - 07/12/2014 13:38 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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it was announced back at the start of the year it was to be at a max of $50k. bit slow with that news CF.

obviously CF you are like most labor supporters who when asked where the money is just stares like a cow does at an on coming train.

have a real look, instead of using the guardian or Fairfax at where the education funding for gonski and the defence budget really went to. have a real look at what situation this country is facing when it comes to dwindling tax in the decades to come.

its sad most people don't like what is happening budget wise right now. but if something isn't done, and isn't done soon, this country is screwed even more than it is now.

and obviously you don't believe that at the moment we are paying interest on money owned to international banks of which that money could very well be used to put back into education, or defence. no instead you complain the government does too much for big business but don't care that we spend billions on debt into international banks. oh the hypocrisy!
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