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#1289127 - 07/12/2014 13:49 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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LOL. You crack me up. Why would labor support the budget when the coalition won't acknowledge the GFC? You have the blinkers on just like Mr Wabbott. It is where the government is targeting cuts that is the issue. I was aware they cut the PPL to $50k at the beginning of the year but guess what? That level is still current ,as in NOW.

Labor had said last year that cuts wee necessary however our debt to GDP is amongst the lowest in the world.

...and the anti-government news articles are also being published in Murdoch's rags .You'll only see what you want to see.

Look over there >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>

Last time I looked the Australian was a Murdoch rag and it appears he wants change. John Howard, Jeff Kennett ,Malcolm Fraser , Ray Hadley and Alan Jones are unhappy with this government. I suppose you are going to tell me they are all working for the Guardian and Fairfax too next.

...and labor don't control the senate where the legislation is being blocked. But best we all blame Bill Shorten anyway just in case no-one notices.
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#1289132 - 07/12/2014 13:56 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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it was announced back at the start of the year it was to be at a max of $50k. bit slow with that news CF.

obviously CF you are like most labor supporters who when asked where the money is just stares like a cow does at an on coming train.

have a real look, instead of using the guardian or Fairfax at where the education funding for gonski and the defence budget really went to. have a real look at what situation this country is facing when it comes to dwindling tax in the decades to come.

its sad most people don't like what is happening budget wise right now. but if something isn't done, and isn't done soon, this country is screwed even more than it is now.

and obviously you don't believe that at the moment we are paying interest on money owned to international banks of which that money could very well be used to put back into education, or defence. no instead you complain the government does too much for big business but don't care that we spend billions on debt into international banks. oh the hypocrisy!


Funny thing is both govt's have been partially correct in what they have done. Rudd lead labour did a fantastic job keeping this country out of recession but Gillard lead labour should have pulled back on the spending sooner. The current Liberal gov't are doing that but typically will take it too far. It is how the parties operate.

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#1289156 - 07/12/2014 14:36 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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CF I don't give a damn what Murdoch writes, or the guardian, or Fairfax.

I believe what I read myself, in facts and figures not someone elses opinion so stop telling other people they are seeing what they want to see when you are doing exactly the same thing but from the other direction. it doesn't matter what the rate of debt to GDP is now. its what its going to be in 10 and 20 years time. CF, is the emergency now when the breaks are failing and cliff is up ahead, or is the emergency after you are already over the cliff?

Brett Guy, I totally agree with your comments. I had respect for Rudd early in his days. the work done to get the through the GFC was great but it was also a massive opportunity lost. Labor in Qld wasted the boom that followed as well.
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#1289159 - 07/12/2014 14:39 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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...and I don't give a damn what you write Mick. You have an opinion that this budget is somehow good and yet some of Abbott's most staunch supporters don't . Even his own backbench are arguing over it. Odd that it's some how ok for you to tell others what they should see. To quote yourself "Oh the hypocrisy".

To quote a liberal centre on election night "We inherited a good economy". Speaks volumes. Most agree that we need to make cuts, even labor but this government is making them so they only affect those who can afford them least. As is typical with a liberal government.

If we are so broke there should not be a PPL. We are either broke or we are not. We either have to cut spending or we don't. This mob have lied and lied and lied. Broken promise after promise after promise. Slashed the ABC's budget but still pushing head with their PPL. They cannot be taken seriously.

If you don't want to read what is written that's fine but to dismiss former liberal PM's who are also saying it is wrong is something else entirely.
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#1289161 - 07/12/2014 14:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Take a deep breath guys. Its not a fight.
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#1289162 - 07/12/2014 14:51 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Who's fighting OD?

Even big business is now saying Abbott's continued negativity over the past 5 years has destroyed consumer confidence. If he hadn't run a wrecking ball through EVERYTHING the budget may look a little more rosy right now. That has NOTHING to do with labor.

Gillard tried to get an MRRT through that both the coalition and the greens demanded massive changes on until it was barely recognisable. It was designed to offset the two tiered economy created by the mining sector and assist the manufacturing sector through a high Aussie dollar. Now we are paying for that legislative block by the Noalition.

Must be humorous for Abbott to watch as uni fees are sent through the roof when his daughter gets a free ride. Ask yourself how many of the cuts affect him?
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#1289170 - 07/12/2014 15:07 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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In short, it is not making cuts that the Australian public are taking issue with. It's where the cuts are being made and the endless lies about it.
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#1289285 - 07/12/2014 18:21 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Why don't people fight for a better future smile , rather than fight each other on a values basis?


Edited by -Cosmic- (naz) (07/12/2014 18:22)
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#1289321 - 07/12/2014 20:16 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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eh, this isn't fighting, its healthy political debate!

cosmic, it depends on where your better future comes from and how you want to go about it that is the issue.

the only reason the Australian public are angry at the cuts its because they only like it when its take, take, take. they don't like being told they now have to give some back. take the ABC cuts for example, sure I have no problem admitting it was a broken promise and wish the government would have come clean on it. but why does a company like the ABC with over a $1B budget spend 45% of its budget on wages? and why is it the only media organisation in the last 10 years to actually increase its labour force? and the 400 lost jobs in one hit a few weeks out before xmas? another poor management decision. the ABC will loose 1% of its budget every year for 5 years. so why the big cull straight away? to get back at the government. nothing to do with its budget at all, it was sacrificing its workers before xmas in a revenge and sympathy campaign. Over a 5 year period those workforce cuts could have gone through natural attrition.
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#1289335 - 07/12/2014 20:53 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Yeah that's the only reason the public are angry .It has nothing to do with the endless lies or the way the coalition have conducted themselves, telling everyone to tighten their belts whilst smoking cigars and rorting their expenses.

Slipper getting charged over a cab fare whilst Abbott simply paid back over $10,000 when he was caught along with several of his ministers. Most honest people acknowledge that the Slipper scandal was an attempt to bring down the last government.

An NBN already looking to cost more than labor's version without even considering the cost of ongoing maintenance of the copper network ,all so Uncle Rupert can retain his foxtel duopoly with Telstra whilst holding back the nation's advancement.

Then there is his total refusal to back any form of renewables when the coal price is diving and the rest of the developed world is moving away from coal towards alternatives. There are jobs to be had in renewables but this mob are totally addicted to fossil fuels. Fossil fuels that receive MASSIVE government subsidies.

Threatening to block funding to states who want to invest in rail and take cars off the road. How did that turn out for him in Victoria? Yeah Mick the public descent is all about the cuts. You talk about future debt but Abbott wants to make uni unaffordable for those who would one day have the skills to contribute towards paying it down. Insane.

They promised not to touch pensioners then lifted the retirement age and made changes to super. This is the party that did nothing for pensioners in 11 years under Howard but demanded Labor increase the pension the moment they went into opposition. Hypocrites.


The public are not pissed at this government because of the need for cuts. It's the way they've gone about it. How many coalition voters do you know that gave back their $900 cheque before they attacked labor's spending? Seriously, how many do you know?
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#1289358 - 07/12/2014 22:19 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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don't worry about liberal votes paying back the $900 cheques. because we are all paying them back now.

NBN - you can still have your super fast broadband. but you can pay for it. why should the tax payer pay for something that most Australians aren't going to use (as in the fastest speed). ensure businesses have the best set up sure. the costs are to save money and speed up the installation rate. Labors plan would have the NBN installed across Australia in another decade by which time the technology would already be out dated. but keep thinking its because of Murdoch. what ever makes you sleep at night.

Coal - while we have it, why not export it. China and India need it. is it not better we sell, because if its not going to be us, will be someone else.

States - It was Labor that said they would rip up the deal. Even after the state election federal Libs are still wanting to give the $3b to Victoria but they are rejecting it. That's Victoria's loss. Melbourne is out growing Sydney. Cash has to spent on both road and rail for that states futures. if Labor say no to $3b then I know of plenty of places in Nqld that need flood proofing.

Rorts - every g'ment at every level has it issues with people rorting the system. anyone would be stupid to say it isn't an issue. you would be stupid to say it doesn't happen from all sides either.

Pension. Cant remember back to Howard. will take your word for it. But Labor already had increased the pension age to 67 when Libs came in. The move to make it 70 is one of the better moves they made early. The pension came in for 64yo in 1909. Then the average life expectancy was 65. So most people would never get it. Now the life expectancy is around 80 odd years for woman. Slightly different scenario nowadays isn't it? By the time the age pension changes come in during 2030's (my era) we will be first generation that will be on lifetime compulsory super. Keating brought the compulsory super in, it was known 20years ago that the age of the pension would rise or the pension would disappear as whole due to compulsory super. Keating knew back then that government wouldn't able to support an ageing population living longer.
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#1289368 - 07/12/2014 23:17 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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So you read right over the part where the libs NBN is already going to cot the same as labor's despite being 10 times slower and IT companies the world over deny optic fibre will be outdated.

Rorts. agreed all sides of government are guilty but only one side is asking everyone else to tighten their belts whilst they continue to live in luxury. A point clearly lost on you.

Coal. I have no issue with continuing to use coal whilst looking for better alternatives . Point me to where I said we should stop using it/exporting it now. I said we should be looking at other options also but have a government hell bent on only using fossil fuels .But you twist it how you like if it helps you sleep at night.

Pension. Maybe you can employ all the 69 year old workers because no-one else will. Most Koreans use their super high speed broadband (same as labor's version) despte their opposition making he same BS claims about downloading porn etc. They have one of the world's fastest growing economies and fastest growing auto manufacturer who stated that had the government not invested in high speed broadband they wouldn't have been able to achieve what they did.

So no you didn't pay the cheque back? Most modern cities have a fantastic rail network. You can only put so many cars in a city. $18 billion for 18 km's? You're having a lend if you can't see that is an obscene waste of money. It could build 6 replacement west gate bridges, the VFT a third of the way up the eastern seaboard or half labor's NBN. The LNP in Victoria knew they were gone and looked after their mates on the way out.
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#1289372 - 07/12/2014 23:49 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Here's our future with China regarding coal.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/freight/single-view/view/china-mongolia-coal-link-agreed.html

Bring it in on rail from across the border when the line is completed or ship it half way around the world? Hmmm tough decision. Abbott is telling porkies. There is no 60 year future for coal.

Have a read of this article and see where China thinks its eventual energy sources are.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jackperkowski/2014/06/17/china-leads-in-renewable-investment-again/

...and India.

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/07/16/indi...acity-mix-2050/

So why not invest in jobs in that sector? It is so stupid not to. Especially when the CSIRO are making major inroads in the field.

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/printable-solar-cells-close-to-commercialisation-csiro-15941

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#1289378 - 08/12/2014 00:03 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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...and here is why Murdoch wanted Abbott voted in to shut down the NBN FTTH.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-09/co...-choice/5729928

Funny how suddenly all those ripped off customers get to watch as he sells the service for $25 now because he knows competition is inevitable and is trying to hold it out.
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#1289441 - 08/12/2014 10:53 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Rail network in Roma we have a rail line A station no trains lol.You guys both have valid points .


Edited by ozone doug (08/12/2014 10:55)
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#1289471 - 08/12/2014 12:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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This what Australians have had enough of Mick.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-...207-12247a.html
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#1289480 - 08/12/2014 12:28 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Australians haven't had enough of it CF. They simply don't accept it from the party they don't support but when it comes from the party they do support they will make all kinds of excuses as to why it was ok.

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#1289492 - 08/12/2014 12:51 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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CF you play me a fairfax, i play you a news ltd. lol

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opini...v-1227147788128
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#1289493 - 08/12/2014 12:53 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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...and Ill play you a Guardian wink

Notice how it is still about everyone else with Abbott. Nothing is ever his fault.

Look over there >>> >>> >>>

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/08/poll-tony-abbott-approval-rating-drops

Thanks for sharing Mick. I always enjoy reading the reader comments in there. Biggest laugh of the day.
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#1289520 - 08/12/2014 13:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Notice how it is still about everyone else with Abbott. Nothing is ever his fault.


It's all Labor's fault CF. The current government is flawless. Even leading into the next election it will still be Labor's fault tired (and that's not a shot at you Mick, only Mr Abbott.)

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