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#1307231 - 12/02/2015 21:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
Brett Guy Offline
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Well. That was a very idiotic read. And that is the problem with most politicians, commentators and voters. They are one eyed. They only have the ability to see things from one restricted angle. They sit on the left or the right and do not have the intelligence to look beyond their own restricted world view. There are always two sides to a story. And often those two sides are equally valid albeit diametrically opposed. We need leaders that are not so small and pathetic and that can consider all options. Until then we remain screwed.

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#1307258 - 13/02/2015 00:33 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Well Night rain no guessing which is your preferred party .Seems like your done your homework on all those pollies but you know what, all that doesn't amount to one ounce of dog crap as far their ability to run this country....

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#1307270 - 13/02/2015 07:29 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Night Rain]
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Thanks for putting that up nr, a sensible factual look at some of the people that make up our Fed. Govt. I have quoted the message in entirety on this page in case some miss it. Quite a depth of education, life experience and sincerity to work for Australia.

Originally Posted By: Night Rain
Someone sent this through this evening which I thought you may like to read.
Our Government - Miranda Devine - The Telegraph
This government has talent. Give them time to fix Australia!!
ONE year ago yesterday, Kevin Rudd was prime minister, talking to a stuffed toy in his last video message.
That final act of eccentric narcissism summed up the farcical Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years. It was never about the country.
It was all about them. From the home insulation scheme that killed four young men to the jettisoned border protection that delivered 50,000 illegal boat arrivals, no institution was unscathed. And yet Rudd was hailed a great success in his first year, as he set in train the calamities which would saddle the nation with a $250 billion deficit.
He was the most popular prime minister in our history, so successful his party gave him two turns in the Lodge, despite his personality defects.
By contrast, Abbott in his first year is slandered daily and trounced in opinion polls by Bill Shorten.
Friend and foe denounce the Budget and declare their dissatisfaction with the government’s progress, as if he can magically fix in 12 months what Labor took six years to wreck.
The elite consensus is that our system of government is broken. But the Prime Minister disagrees.
“It’s not the system which is the problem; it is the people who, from time to time, inhabit it,”
Mr Abbott said last week.
Of course it’s the people. Governments and the market are not just machines that operate themselves.
They need people of good character and competence to run them.
So before we dig into the bucket of complaints about the first year of the Abbott government,
consider the quality of the people on its benches.
For starters, there are three Rhodes Scholars: Abbott, Malcolm Turnbull, and Angus Taylor.
Two more ministers have degrees from Oxford University : George Brandis QC, and Josh Frydenberg,
who has the added distinction of a master’s degree from Harvard. Two other MPs also have master’s degrees from Harvard, among the seven MBAs, two MPAs and four PhDs on the government benches. Two more have masters of philosophy from Cambridge.
Fulbright scholar Greg Hunt has an MA from Yale. Former WA treasurer Christian Porter has an impressive four degrees. And he’s a backbencher.
Three government MPs are medical doctors, including Dr David Gillespie, a gastroenterologist who won independent Rob Oakeshott’s old seat of Lyne.
He is also a farmer, one of 16 in government.
There are also teachers, bankers, journalists, engineers, research scientists, economists, small business owners, a shearer, a carpenter, a wool classer, an air traffic controller and even a crocodile catcher. That real world diversity is a stark contrast to Labor benches, dominated by union officials, party administrators and political consultants.
Also on the government side are at least 30 lawyers, and five former police officers, including Jason Wood, once a detective senior sergeant in Victoria’s organised crime squad and counter-terrorism unit.
Governments and the market are not just machines that operate themselves.
They need people of good character and competence to run them. So before we dig into the bucket of complaints about the first year of the Abbott government, consider the quality of the people on its benches.
Luke Simpkins was also an officer with the Australian Federal Police and an army officer for 14 years.
Senator David Fawcett had 22 years as an army officer and experimental test pilot, along with a science degree and an MBA.
Another backbencher is Brigadier Andrew Nikolic, possessor of three master’s degrees, with wartime roles in Afghanistan and Iraq as chief of staff and deputy commander. Among numerous awards is the Conspicuous Service Cross.
These are just some of the high achievers representing us on the government benches.
They could be earning a lot more money with a lot less scrutiny and scorn than they get in parliament.
Like all politicians, they do it for reasons both altruistic and self aggrandising, but most express the desire to serve.
Take Angus Taylor, 47, one of 2013’s record influx of MPs. The father of four is a farmer’s son from Nimmitabel, a Rhodes Scholar who travelled the world as a management consultant and started a business of his own.
His role model is his grandfather, William Hudson, commissioner and chief engineer of the Snowy Mountains Scheme who, “abhorred snobbery and judged people on character and conduct, not rank. He worked prodigiously and was extra¬ordinarily humble. The Snowy was never about him.”
In his maiden speech last December, Taylor said: “Some people say politics is about power. I do not agree. It should be about leadership, service and making an enduring difference to the lives of others. I hope the work I do ... makes a real difference and will one day make my children proud.”
This is the quiet truth, away from the headlines about Clive Palmer or Jacqui Lambie.
Galvanised by the political farce of Labor years, the Abbott government is full of people driven to revive the nation. They are serious people who will make the machinery of government work again.
So before we bag a one-year-old administration full of new MPs, let’s give them a chance, as the Prime Minister says, to be their “best selves”. Judging by their CVs, their best is as good as it gets.

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#1307326 - 13/02/2015 11:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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No doubt there are some good people in the Coalition ranks, especially on the backbench, but if that is the case then in my opinion the Abbott Government is much less than the sum of its parts.

A couple of articles:
  • A leading United States think tank has published a piece posing the question, "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?" and answering, quite comprehensively, in the affirmative.

    Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/federal-...211-13cda6.html

  • Laura Tingle, in the Australian Financial Review, looks at how Tony Abbott got to the situation where he came close to losing office this week:

    “The events of the past week have revealed a government of spectacular dysfunction. Even as it has enjoyed strong tailwinds from a slathering media, supportive business community and lobby groups, as well as an unprecedented period of leadership stability, revelations that have emerged in the wake of the spill about the way the government's internal policy processes don't work – from submarines policy to health policy – are truly alarming”.

    Read more: http://www.afr.com/p/national/politics/how_tony_abbott_came_within_votes_MTSEjO87zZXm6orETrHfDO

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#1307339 - 13/02/2015 12:18 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
A leading United States think tank has published a piece posing the question, "Is Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott the most incompetent leader of any industrialised democracy?"


The wheels are starting to fall off the Abbott wagon. Some Rhodes Scholar huh !

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-...213-13cvvn.html
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#1307363 - 13/02/2015 12:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Abbott is a turkey, someone in the libs should cut his tongue out.

Not looking so good for Labors version of solving the debt crisis either with Price Waterhouse and Cooper's report revealing that in as little as 10 to 15 years we may face a debt ratio to GDP of 50%. To put that into comparison, this is where Greece is sitting.

The problem when debt ratio gets above 30% of GDP you need mass population to increase productivity. Population is something that this country lacks, and will always lack.

They have basically endorsed the austerity style budget of the Coalition government as not just important but critical in ensuring a future for generations to come.

Costello came out earlier this week with similar views, as you would expect as he was partly the architect of these measures, but when an independent and well respected source like PWC endorses the view you have to sit and listen.

The problem is the governments of today find the need to rush change in at a rapid speed. This is both parties. It is our fault that they do this as we demand instant differentiation between the two. We want instant results on aspects of society that take time. Rudd and the batts. This could of all been averted had he had time to implement a sound policy strategy in respect to this. History shows that time was not available. So here we sit and watch as a coalition government try to push through large quantity legislation, that would normally take two to three terms to come to fruition, in less than one term. WHY ??
because we the voting public, fuelled by a media devoid of ethical responsibility, demand it.

To solve the political breakdown we have in front of us we must identify the source of the breakdown. The source is actually us, the voters. We really do get the governments we deserve. We treat politics like a game of football. We put on our red or blue jersey and start slanging off at each other, twisting and hiding truths. All the while common sense is the victim.

We get the government we deserve !

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#1307377 - 13/02/2015 13:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: slipperyfish]
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Originally Posted By: slipperyfish
Abbott is a turkey, someone in the libs should cut his tongue out.


Don't tease me.

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Oh dear...

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-...213-13du7s.html
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#1307451 - 13/02/2015 17:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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How on earth did the LNP go from holding 74 of 89 seats to opposition in just one term in Queensland?

Let me guess. It's labor's fault.
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#1307503 - 13/02/2015 18:46 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Not at all CF, the LNP gave the keys to Parliament House to the Labor party this election, Labor didn't win, it was the LNP who lost it.

Numbers of seats these days don't mean a thing, for the LNP to get such a devastating swing in 2012 means that of course the pendulum can swing the other way. Of course it's the reality of the result that's really brought that message home, too bad they didn't figure it out before hand.

Looking forward... well here comes another set of jitters that the economy here didn't need. We've already got Larissa Waters wanting to shutdown new mining approvals as well as shelving port projects. The Labor party don't have a jobs policy at the moment because they never expected to win, they've had this responsibility land in their laps. I hope like hell they can hit the ground running and I really hope they don't seek to undo too much of the very worthwhile projects the LNP got going.

The big test will be their economic credentials. They campaigned during the election that they would:

> Not need to sell assets to deliver promises.
> Pay down debt with the revenue from those government owned corporations.
> Not reduce spending on infrastructure or services.

I think the LNP government was also predicting a return to surplus either this year or the next? If the ALP play their cards right, then they should be able to keep this on track.

The LNP did not expect to lose this election, therefore there are no ticking time bombs for the ALP to discover unlike what happened to the Coalition at the federal level.

What is also concerning is that the ALP didn't even receive departmental briefings in the lead up to this election as well. Boy I hope these guys are good on their feet because otherwise, the voters will have gotten this election terribly wrong.

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#1307508 - 13/02/2015 18:53 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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it does not help the cause when one sacks 15,000+ who with a partner, 2 parents each a few siblings and inlaws, who may have voted for a change in 2012,and wont vote LNP again in the fore seeable future... then again may be it was the unions fault

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#1307515 - 13/02/2015 19:17 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Gad]
Andy Double U Offline
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Originally Posted By: Gad
it does not help the cause when one sacks 15,000+ who with a partner, 2 parents each a few siblings and inlaws, who may have voted for a change in 2012,and wont vote LNP again in the fore seeable future... then again may be it was the unions fault


Why should the job of a public sector employee be guaranteed when the entity they work for is losing money hand over fist yet individuals in the private sector not get the same perk? Also keep in mind that it is those same enterprises and individuals in the private sector that pay the wages of those in the public service.

Those individuals that chose to vote for someone else other than the LNP as retribution for the job losses have done this state a disservice. The government is not like some company, it is an entity created by the people to service the will of the people. Now some may argue that sacking people isn't the will of the people, to which yes, I may agree. But I also wouldn't mind betting that the will of the people is not to bankrupt the state as well.

Without a strong economy, people suffer. Without a strong economy we can't invest in increasingly efficient forms of technology that reduce the strain on the environment. Without a strong economy, our present levels of healthcare will diminish, they will not get better. The fact is that government services were delivering with better efficiency than they were before and they will need to keep doing this to cope with ever increasing expectations.

So given that the standard of public healthcare in this state were vastly improved over the past three years and given that it was done with fewer people operating more efficiently, should we really be that cranky with the LNP or should a fair portion of the blame be sheeted home to the ALP who were absolutely inept during their last term in office? As a private sector individual, I want to see the best return on investment that we can get. Tax revenue is not a bottomless pit and it's high time that the Labor party and the Greens stopped treating it as such.

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#1307519 - 13/02/2015 19:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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People didn't just vote against the government for sackings. There were literally dozens of reasons .No government loses such a massive majority and government after just one term for just one reason. However when they lie about it prior to an election and then do the opposite it certainly doesn't help.

Debt skyrocketed under the LNP in this state with NOTHING to show for it. You'd reckon the "blame labor" lesson would have been learnt by now. Apparently not. Good governments don't lose elections.

......and the LNP's "return to surplus" in 2015 which by the way labor predicted 3 years ago was based entirely on a boom in CSG exports from labor's CSG investment.

For the record I am not particularly fond of either of the majors anymore. Hopefully this government takes the people along for the journey .That is one area the LNP have failed massively.

.....and I reckon the political donations concealed by the LNP will be a ticking time bomb .
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#1307522 - 13/02/2015 19:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Thats right. Its just far to easy for the one eyed to not remember how many LNP ministers had to resign or were sacked in this Newman Gov't in the first few years. It is just as corrupt and dishonest as any other party / Gov't.

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#1307523 - 13/02/2015 19:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Andy Double U]
Gad Offline
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Originally Posted By: Andy Double U
Originally Posted By: Gad
it does not help the cause when one sacks 15,000+ who with a partner, 2 parents each a few siblings and inlaws, who may have voted for a change in 2012,and wont vote LNP again in the fore seeable future... then again may be it was the unions fault


Why should the job of a public sector employee be guaranteed when the entity they work for is losing money hand over fist...

Those individuals that chose to vote for someone else other than the LNP as retribution for the job losses have done this state a disservice.


where did I imply the job of any public sector employee should be guaranteed

that`s a democracy for you,if you pee of enough voters, no matter who is the government, they get to pee you off.


Edited by Gad (13/02/2015 19:45)

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#1307525 - 13/02/2015 19:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Good gov'ts lose elections all the time and bad oppositions can win them regularly as well. QLD Libs lost for a whole pile of reasons and deservedly so but it doesn't mean Labour will be any better or even deserve a turn. They simply get it by default and that is one of the biggest problems we face.

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#1307646 - 14/02/2015 09:03 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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So true Brett.

We've had too many recent governements win by default and take that as a "mandate" to go out and do whatever the hell they want because surely the public won't be silly enough to vote the other guys back in.

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#1307647 - 14/02/2015 09:04 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Gad]
Andy Double U Offline
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Originally Posted By: Gad
Originally Posted By: Andy Double U
Originally Posted By: Gad
it does not help the cause when one sacks 15,000+ who with a partner, 2 parents each a few siblings and inlaws, who may have voted for a change in 2012,and wont vote LNP again in the fore seeable future... then again may be it was the unions fault


Why should the job of a public sector employee be guaranteed when the entity they work for is losing money hand over fist...

Those individuals that chose to vote for someone else other than the LNP as retribution for the job losses have done this state a disservice.


where did I imply the job of any public sector employee should be guaranteed

that`s a democracy for you,if you pee of enough voters, no matter who is the government, they get to pee you off.


I never meant to imply that you felt that way, please accept my apologies.

In just the same way you brought up the subject of public sector job losses in a general sense, I was posing an alternate point of view in a general sense.

We can all look at the decisions that the LNP made during their term in government and point the finger of blame at the unpopular decisions undertaken as the reason for the election loss. What I also believe, however, is that there needs to be a broader community discussion around some of those more contentious topics and that's what I was trying to do.

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#1307651 - 14/02/2015 09:15 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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the serious issue surrounding the job cuts in Qld was the position of Newman before hand saying the public service didn't have to fear him. was a different issue at the federal election where both sides said they would look a job cuts in the public service in the order of around 16,000 people. of course that ended up including the ABC & SBS which Abbott said he wouldn't touch.

the being said governments cant take every decision to an election otherwise nothing would ever get down, but it shows the importance of being careful what you say before you get in.

In qld. glad we finally have a government, not the right one in my opinion, but I am only one vote!! lol. But congrats to Labor for getting the numbers.
Labor have an interesting time ahead. they made very few promises in the campaign and show a lack of a plan. this from my view showed they weren't ready to govern, but that also follows on from my above comment that they made very promises that they have to fulfil now in government. the exception being asset sales.
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#1307654 - 14/02/2015 09:23 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Locke]
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Originally Posted By: Locke
So true Brett.

We've had too many recent governements win by default and take that as a "mandate" to go out and do whatever the hell they want because surely the public won't be silly enough to vote the other guys back in.


I would have thought that if you take a set of policies to a campaign and you end up with the majority of the vote, what other conclusion can you draw?

The people of Queensland in the 2012 election voted out a government that was reckless in its operations to the point of incompetence. It doesn't matter whether you looked at it from a financial, managerial or a delivery of services point of view, they completely sucked at every single level. The worst bit, we were paying more and more and more for this mess. The LNP is voted in, sees the inefficiencies, cuts staff that were surplus to the needs, targets money into areas where it's sorely required and finally takes a policy to the election that had the potential to knock a huge chunk out of our state debt level and gets voted out. Why? Well as people so readily point out, cutting public sector staff was unpopular. The opposition did not run a superior campaign from a policy point of view, they ran a scare campaign... 'if electricity assets are leased, than more jobs are going to go'. In short, they said to the tax payers of this state that efficiency, value and productivity should be a lower priority than a person in a job. When these same principles are applied in the private sector, companies go broke and eventually everyone loses their jobs. These types of philosophies are not economically sustainable.

Right now, collectively, as a society and as a government, we are blinded to a future beyond three years. We vote for the comfort of having a job for tomorrow at pretty much any cost. It's a fool's paradise. If we lose a job, no matter what the merits are of the situation, we just want to extract revenge. What's the saying? An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind?

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#1307661 - 14/02/2015 10:03 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
Mick10 Offline
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one of the few promises made by Labor in Qld was the promise to merge the 3 state electricity suppliers, what I found most interesting is that no one took Labor to task over the job losses that would occur from the merging of the companies. the focus was on job losses in privatising the sector but none about the job losses merging the sector.
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