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#1387556 - 16/09/2016 20:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1387557 - 16/09/2016 20:46 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1387560 - 16/09/2016 21:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The irony of people constantly banging on about how the media always support the side of politics they don't agree with and then pulling up media articles that attack the side of politics they don't agree with.

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#1387561 - 16/09/2016 21:26 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Here you go Mick. Howard claimed a $37 Billion surplus, Hockey says it was $20 Billion. One of them must be right yeah?

This from an international financial site. Not fairfax, not Murdoch.

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/imf-review-how...nments-past-200

Waste is waste no matter who is responsible and suggesting we could afford it is plain nonsense. We couldn't.
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#1387790 - 19/09/2016 23:22 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
The irony of people constantly banging on about how the media always support the side of politics they don't agree with and then pulling up media articles that attack the side of politics they don't agree with.

The federal election has come and gone. Side or sides could probably be put in inverted commas because the idea that one person or group with a certain instance is "against" another is like red and blue, or any one of a number of analogies. Although that's my opinion, granted; but I would not go out of my way to attack others smile . It's probably little wonder I spend less time in threads like this if I have to spend so much more time negotiating whether it is worth posting...I don't have all the answers to all the issues on this forum, but then I'm not going to take on issues that are not my own.

Good luck!


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#1387824 - 20/09/2016 11:39 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
The irony of people constantly banging on about how the media always support the side of politics they don't agree with and then pulling up media articles that attack the side of politics they don't agree with.


The media to an extent loves to run a 'good' story no matter the sides of politics it reflects on.

The limit to an extent rests with Murdoch. He is a megalomaniac and completely self righteous in his ideology on how the economy and politics of Australia should be run. Usually that involves making money for him (interference in NBN to protect Foxtel and Telstra), or simply his firm adherence to neo capitalism.

He has the money and the means to sway opinions.
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#1387830 - 20/09/2016 12:18 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
The irony of people constantly banging on about how the media always support the side of politics they don't agree with and then pulling up media articles that attack the side of politics they don't agree with.


The media to an extent loves to run a 'good' story no matter the sides of politics it reflects on.

The limit to an extent rests with Murdoch. He is a megalomaniac and completely self righteous in his ideology on how the economy and politics of Australia should be run. Usually that involves making money for him (interference in NBN to protect Foxtel and Telstra), or simply his firm adherence to neo capitalism.

He has the money and the means to sway opinions.


Totally agree re Murdoch. Phsycopath. But the one sided reporting he perpetrates is equally offset by the majority of completely one sided reporting we tend to see on the small screen. Many will deny that is the case but only because they don't want to accept it. Both sides are equally represented in the biased media and constantly complaining about one or the other is ludicrous in the extreme.


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#1388840 - 30/09/2016 08:08 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Ahaha

...and they say Labor is wasteful.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...928-grquam.html
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#1388841 - 30/09/2016 08:20 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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What electrical engineering qualifications do Barnaby Joyce and Malcolm Turnbull have? Or, for that matter, Chris Uhlmann?

This is how windfarms caused the blackout: http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e5c3667fca1716786fff4c2b7e4fb6ec

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#1388846 - 30/09/2016 08:38 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
What electrical engineering qualifications do Barnaby Joyce and Malcolm Turnbull have? Or, for that matter, Chris Uhlmann?

This is how windfarms caused the blackout: http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e5c3667fca1716786fff4c2b7e4fb6ec


Makes you wonder doesn't it. Then again the chances are the other side will do something similar and blame a different reason without any proof when in reality it was just a corker system with a few tornadoes hitting the wrong places.

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#1388924 - 30/09/2016 14:41 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The whole SA power debate will go on for months, with no clear outcome as there is factual support for either side of the argument.

- Tornadoes rip through transmission line all the time in the USA. Wind turbine use is very high in US mid west, yet whole states do not black out.

- Wind turbines do not provide steady 50 MHz of power as they run at variable speed. Fossil fuel turbines run at a constant 3000rpm. Too much (a)synchronise power leads to an unstable power situation. Europe and USA somehow has solved this problem?

- Wind turbines shut down during high wind.

- Recent closure of Port Augusta coal fired power station.

- Dubious fail safes in system? Circuit breakers should have slammed shut the minute the transmission lines went.

- SA power network is privately owned by a Hong Kog billionaire.

- There have been articles suggesting that along with NSW, SA pays the most expensive electricity in the world. Should also have a world class system?

- Another article I read about 3 months suggested that SA network company had purposely "almost" isolated it self from a National grid, with just 1 line connecting to another state (which tripped). This was done to monopolise the power supply.

Finally to prove I am not completely left, nuclear power should be used for base load.
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#1388925 - 30/09/2016 14:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
The whole SA power debate will go on for months, with no clear outcome as there is factual support for either side of the argument.

- Tornadoes rip through transmission line all the time in the USA. Wind turbine use is very high in US mid west, yet whole states do not black out.

- Wind turbines do not provide steady 50 MHz of power as they run at variable speed. Fossil fuel turbines run at a constant 3000rpm. Too much (a)synchronise power leads to an unstable power situation. Europe and USA somehow has solved this problem?

- Wind turbines shut down during high wind.

- Recent closure of Port Augusta coal fired power station.

- Dubious fail safes in system? Circuit breakers should have slammed shut the minute the transmission lines went.

- SA power network is privately owned by a Hong Kog billionaire.

- There have been articles suggesting that along with NSW, SA pays the most expensive electricity in the world. Should also have a world class system?

- Another article I read about 3 months suggested that SA network company had purposely "almost" isolated it self from a National grid, with just 1 line connecting to another state (which tripped). This was done to monopolise the power supply.

Finally to prove I am not completely left, nuclear power should be used for base load.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2016/09...t-of-rain-today

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#1388938 - 30/09/2016 15:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
What electrical engineering qualifications do Barnaby Joyce and Malcolm Turnbull have? Or, for that matter, Chris Uhlmann?

This is how windfarms caused the blackout: http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e5c3667fca1716786fff4c2b7e4fb6ec


Turmoil knows his days are numbered and so is trying to push the far right view on alternative energy to save his own arse. His days are numbered and this is one of his lowest moments, if not his lowest.
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#1388942 - 30/09/2016 16:36 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
The whole SA power debate will go on for months, with no clear outcome as there is factual support for either side of the argument.

- Tornadoes rip through transmission line all the time in the USA. Wind turbine use is very high in US mid west, yet whole states do not black out.

- Wind turbines do not provide steady 50 MHz of power as they run at variable speed. Fossil fuel turbines run at a constant 3000rpm. Too much (a)synchronise power leads to an unstable power situation. Europe and USA somehow has solved this problem?

- Wind turbines shut down during high wind.

- Recent closure of Port Augusta coal fired power station.

- Dubious fail safes in system? Circuit breakers should have slammed shut the minute the transmission lines went.

- SA power network is privately owned by a Hong Kog billionaire.

- There have been articles suggesting that along with NSW, SA pays the most expensive electricity in the world. Should also have a world class system?

- Another article I read about 3 months suggested that SA network company had purposely "almost" isolated it self from a National grid, with just 1 line connecting to another state (which tripped). This was done to monopolise the power supply.

Finally to prove I am not completely left, nuclear power should be used for base load.


Good response right there. Almost the perfect combination of factors causing a big problem. Too many people( and pollies) choose to jump on one factor out of many and ignore anything else.

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#1388953 - 30/09/2016 17:29 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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No doubt in due course there will be an enquiry that will closely examine: what happened; identify any shortcomings in the SA power grid that contributed the the failures; and make recommendations that would reduce the possibility of something like this happening in future.

On what is known now, a number of towers collapsed in the storm, cutting the network in critical places. Apparently no alternative route was available to go around the gaps, at least not for several hours. Failsafe mechanisms kicked in to prevent further damage to the network that could have resulted in more widespread problems and slower recovery.

There may have been deficiencies in the network or in the response to failures. These will hopefully be revealed and addressed in due course. But critical parts of the network were out. The current couldn't jump across the gaps. It's hard to see whether it would have made any difference whether the power had been generated by wind, by burning the dirtiest, brownest coal they could dig up or by legions of guinea pigs on running wheels:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctf9UIhVMAAJxoQ?format=jpg&name=large

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, which is not available now. Unless and until Barnaby, Malcolm et al can back up their claims with evidence, supported by experts, they're playing politics.

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#1388960 - 30/09/2016 18:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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No need for an enquiry. The towers came down in extreme winds. It's been all over the news. Turmoil is just being a dick to appease the party donators in the fossil fuel industry and the far right and trying to politicise a severe weather event.
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#1389075 - 02/10/2016 09:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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David Pope on the post-blackout investigations:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtoHn0NUMAQu2Ju.jpg

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#1389077 - 02/10/2016 09:06 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Ahaha.
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#1389080 - 02/10/2016 10:06 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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'Heads must roll!" ... said Nick Xenophon.

Mother Nature has now gone into hiding ... being totally terrified of Xenophon's rage.

Warren.
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#1389081 - 02/10/2016 10:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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That's about it.Amazing how some clowns commented without knowing that towers blew over. Funny stuff.
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