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#1389362 - 04/10/2016 18:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Malcolm Turmoil's Fraudband is so awesome.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business...004-grudgk.html
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#1389367 - 04/10/2016 18:52 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Looks like the plebiscite probably won't go ahead...sanity prevails.

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#1389373 - 04/10/2016 19:30 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Sanity would have been to go through with it instead of putting marriage eqality on hold again for political purposes. It clearly shows labour are little better than the Libs on this issue. So what if it wasn't going to happen in the way some wanted it to. It was still goimg to happen. Now we wait again. For who knows how long.


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#1389386 - 04/10/2016 20:13 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega
Looks like the plebiscite probably won't go ahead...sanity prevails.


Sanity was forced on the conservative clowns.
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#1389391 - 04/10/2016 20:30 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
Sanity would have been to go through with it instead of putting marriage eqality on hold again for political purposes. It clearly shows labour are little better than the Libs on this issue. So what if it wasn't going to happen in the way some wanted it to. It was still goimg to happen. Now we wait again. For who knows how long.


$160 million on a plebiscite? No thanks, what a complete waste of money. We should just allow same sex marriage without the need for a stupid plebiscite, we don't live in the friggin dark ages anymore. But oh, that's right, Turnbull can't, because his own party of dinosaurs will eat him for breakfast. Ain't it funny how all we ever hear from the Liberal party is how Labor spends spends spends yet here we are with the Libs wanting to blow $160 million on a pointless plebiscite.

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#1389392 - 04/10/2016 20:40 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Thankfully sanity reigns then in the Libs, 2/3rds of people I talk to see no valid reason to legalise gay Marriage(?)

It's called a Democracy gents, foreign concept to some left wing galahs / wanna be socialists.
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#1389393 - 04/10/2016 20:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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Originally Posted By: samboz
Thankfully sanity reigns then in the Libs, 2/3rds of people I talk to see no valid reason to legalise gay Marriage(?)

It's called a Democracy gents, foreign concept to some left wing galahs / wanna be socialists.


2/3 of the RWNJ's you talk to that is. Only 2/3 of the Liberal party's own ranks supported a very expensive plebiscite with several saying they'd cross the floor.

Democracy would have prevented this disgraceful excuse for a government hiding its bungled NBN blowout.
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#1389395 - 04/10/2016 20:51 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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..and most people I talk don't care either way on gay marriage. What they didn't want was a Coalition farcical excuse for a government spending ridiculous amounts of money on a non binding plebiscite whilst telling the nation they need to rein in spending.
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#1389397 - 04/10/2016 21:04 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega
Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
Sanity would have been to go through with it instead of putting marriage eqality on hold again for political purposes. It clearly shows labour are little better than the Libs on this issue. So what if it wasn't going to happen in the way some wanted it to. It was still goimg to happen. Now we wait again. For who knows how long.


$160 million on a plebiscite? No thanks, what a complete waste of money. We should just allow same sex marriage without the need for a stupid plebiscite, we don't live in the friggin dark ages anymore. But oh, that's right, Turnbull can't, because his own party of dinosaurs will eat him for breakfast. Ain't it funny how all we ever hear from the Liberal party is how Labor spends spends spends yet here we are with the Libs wanting to blow $160 million on a pointless plebiscite.


I agree entirely but guess what. If we don't have the plebisite it won't happen. I think 160million is a small price to pay to get this done. labour lost the election. So they should swallow their effing pride and get something done be it in a way they don't like.
It seems that many people would rather marriage equality does not happen despite claiming oterwise. Apparently the political mileage is just to good.


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#1389398 - 04/10/2016 21:05 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Democracy is about ladies and gents + all other genders... don't really care whether it is acknowledged on here or not smile .
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#1389400 - 04/10/2016 21:18 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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Originally Posted By: samboz
Thankfully sanity reigns then in the Libs


....and I meant to thank you for the laugh but was still too busy laughing.
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#1389435 - 05/10/2016 08:29 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1389446 - 05/10/2016 09:19 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Within my adult lifetime Sodomy was a felony at Vic legislation and an offender could be shot if escaping arrest and was better equipped to avoid an arresting officer - ahhh, the good old days.

Yes CF, you are quite right lol.

Personally speaking, have given up caring what gays do, it mostly doesn't affect anyone else, just draw the line at "marriage" being available to them, my tip is a lot would marry just because they can and promiscuous as they are, will very quickly regret that action.

The regret will be that gay married couples will then have a formal procedure to disentangle from.

Your cue......re long term gay relationships, divorce rate re hetero. couples etc.

ps..not burning my flannelette shirts or blue singlets for anyone grin


Edited by samboz (05/10/2016 09:20)
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#1389453 - 05/10/2016 09:34 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1389455 - 05/10/2016 09:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I don't really think promiscuity or divorce rated have much to do with it. If idiot hetero couples are allowed to marry then idiot gay couples should not be stopped from making the same mistakes. I do understand your comment regarding the fact that many(in the initial stages at least) may marry 'just because they can' but if that is the case then so be it. And i would also think that would be the minority. Most would marry because they love each other.


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#1389525 - 05/10/2016 19:07 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I had a chuckle. I doubt the RWNJ's will smile

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...-save-australia
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#1389535 - 06/10/2016 00:09 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
No need for an enquiry. The towers came down in extreme winds. It's been all over the news. Turmoil is just being a dick to appease the party donators in the fossil fuel industry and the far right and trying to politicise a severe weather event.


Instead of believing everything we read and see online, lets look at what the PM really said, transcipt as follows -

"Now, turning to the issue of renewables, there is no doubt that a heavy reliance on intermittent renewals by which in South Australia we're mostly talking about wind, there's also solar but intermittent renewables does place very different strains and pressures on a grid, than reliance on traditional base load power, whether it is fossil fuel or of course hydro, which of course as long as the water is in the dam is very reliable as well. So these intermittent renewables do pose real challenges.

Now I want to make this point - energy security should always be the key priority. If you are stuck in an elevator, if the lights won't go on, if your fridge is thawing out, everything in the fridge is thawing out because the power has gone, you are not going to be concerned about the particular source of that power - whether it is hydro, wind, solar, coal or gas. You want to know that the energy is secure. Now, that has to be the key priority.

Now, I regret to say that a number of the State Labor governments have over the years set priorities and renewable targets that are extremely aggressive, extremely unrealistic, and have paid little or no attention to energy security. This is not just focused on South Australia but the same observation can be made about Queensland or indeed Victoria. So I've asked the Energy Minister, my Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg, to bring the State energy ministers together in what will be a precursor to my discussion with the Premiers to ensure that we move towards a national renewables target. The state-based targets, some of which are completely unrealistic I mean Queensland, for example, has 50 per cent renewable target currently, renewables are about 4.5 per cent of their mix. So what's the pathway to achieve that? It is very hard to see it. It's a political or ideological statement.
"

So what did he say that was 'so terrible'? does the general public have a right to secure energy? did SA have a reliable back up? do other states? a few years ago Townsville and Cairns suffered a major black out due to a fault further south which took out all of north qld, and this was base load power. So yes the government should be talking about energy security, whether it is renewable and/or base load from coal.

Originally Posted By: Steve777
What electrical engineering qualifications do Barnaby Joyce and Malcolm Turnbull have? Or, for that matter, Chris Uhlmann?

This is how windfarms caused the blackout: http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/e5c3667fca1716786fff4c2b7e4fb6ec


One would assume that the Prime Ministers Office and the Minister for the Environment and Energy does have experts who are knowledgeable on such things as energy. So it was interesting to read todays interim report into last weeks black out, and i again quote from the report -

"Event
The predicted weather front moved through SA on the afternoon of Wednesday 28 September 2016, including high winds, thunderstorms, lightning strikes, hail, and heavy rainfall.

The weather resulted in multiple transmission system faults. In the short time between 16:16 and 16:18, system faults included the loss of three major 275 kV transmission lines north of Adelaide. Generation initially rode through the faults, but at 16:18, following an extensive number of faults in a short period, 315 MW of wind generation disconnected (one group at 16:18:09, a second group at 16:18:15), also affecting the region north of Adelaide.

The uncontrolled reduction in generation resulted in increased flow on the main Victorian interconnector (Heywood) to make up the deficit. This resulted in the Heywood Interconnector overloading.

To avoid damage to the interconnector, the automatic-protection mechanism activated, tripping the interconnector. In this event, this resulted in the remaining customer load and electricity generation in SA being lost (referred to as a Black System). This automatic-protection operated in less than half a second at 16:18. The event resulted in the SA regional electricity market being suspended.
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Obviously there is much more to come from this investigation, but early reporting does point towards the sudden reduction in wind energy as being a major contributing factor to the blackout.
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#1389537 - 06/10/2016 00:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Ummm your transcript is his correction which was made AFTER he learnt that the towers had blown over. Nice try though. I watched the original comments in a live feed on tv. It contained alot of that transcript which is no surprise given how he likes to repeat the same crap over and over (jobs and growth anyone?) but he also pointed the finger directly at renewables.

It wasn't the media that said it. Malcolm Turmoil did. Soon afterwards Josh Fraudberg made a statement that renewables weren't to blame and Turnbull then made the comments you have posted up at a press conference. As for the energy targets ,if it was left to the Liberals there wouldn't be any at all as we saw under Abbott when he tried sending the solar industry into retirement so aiming high and getting a compromise is a good outcome because like it or not, fossil fuels are on the decline globally as an energy source.

Your mate cares more about protecting his fossil fool donators than whether or not the lights come on and used a severe weather event to slam renewables as did Beetroot and Nick Xenaphobia.

You can try and hose down his remarks all you like but Mr Poll Slump acted like a complete toss as did his political allies with their "heads will roll" comments when the grid failed . Mother nature must be shaking in her boots right now as she was named as the culprit today so will no doubt be made a scapegoat laugh .
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#1389539 - 06/10/2016 00:58 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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....and I wonder why Turnbull won't attack THIS this guy over his commitment to renewables? Oh that's right, despite being an independent his campaign was aided by the LNP's blue army. So I guess he gets a pass.

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#1389545 - 06/10/2016 07:19 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Transcript is from Thursday morning while in Tasmania. very rare for any leader to give two press conferences in one day, this is the only one posted and the quotes matched what i read at the time. Possible he said different comments in morning radio that morning but you said it was tv.

Either way, seems he was right. hard to swallow lol.

Re your second post, nice defelection, but not sure why the PM is meant to attack every renewable energy source that pops up around the country. Not sure what your point is. We have a similar sized solar farm given approval in Townsville, PM meant to make a comment on than to?

Finally if you Latika Bourkes story yesterday about Abbott then good to you. The fairfax media again coming up with trash; quoting once again a 'close source', and when abbott refuses to comment on the ttrashing, staying out of the media (as he should) it fuels the so called claims - cant win. I have trouble believing a close liberal source would give an exclusive to fairfax media to start with.
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