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#1391797 - 30/10/2016 20:54 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
Dawgggg Offline
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Did I mention crap?

Yup by Crap I mean this joint.
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#1391802 - 30/10/2016 21:10 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: rainthisway]
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Originally Posted By: rainthisway
I honestly think maybe a Desal plant maybe in order up here. I am not one for these ocean ruining processes but the truth is, this place is getting failed wet season one year after another. It may be the best option. Anyone know if it would be a cheaper option, pump water from a desal plant to Ross Dam?


Perth has only 30 something percent capacity in the dams drops to about 22 percent in summer.

47 percent of their water now comes from 2 desal plants.
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#1391803 - 30/10/2016 21:10 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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could pack up the brisbane one and move it up here!
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#1391806 - 30/10/2016 21:13 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Weatherzone says

TOWNSVILLE AP YEAR TO DATE
Average Rainfall To Oct 954.9mm 73.9 Day(s)
Total For 2016 909.8mm

We have had about 100mm more rain and we aren't looking like dry and dusty. Though no water restrictions.

What are water restrictions like at the moment?
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#1391811 - 30/10/2016 22:10 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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For my place its an hour in the morning and evening handheld only on Wednesdays and Sundays.

So 4 hours of hand watering a week, which does FEK all, theres no point doing it.
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#1391812 - 30/10/2016 22:12 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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In a month will be buckets only for 4 hours a week.

How the hell do you bucket wash a car. You use like 50 buckets which is less economical then a Gurney or hose.
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#1391813 - 30/10/2016 22:13 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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we have had back to back failed wet seasons Vinnie, majority of our rain falls in a short bursts over a short few months. with a population of 190,000 our dam runs out of water quickly. it is also shallow and is prone to high evaporation.

we are on level 3 restrictions at the moment, means each household is allowed to only water by hand held hoses only for a total of 4 hours per week - 1 hour early morning, 1 hour evening twice per week.
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#1391814 - 30/10/2016 22:13 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Airport and most eastern suburbs have nearly average rain Vinnie, anywhere more than 2km inland you can half that.

I reckon im at 500mm YTD
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#1391845 - 31/10/2016 14:21 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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How many years in a row of failed wet seasons ? Was the last good year back in 2010 ?
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#1391851 - 31/10/2016 15:15 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Vinnie]
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Originally Posted By: Vinnie
How many years in a row of failed wet seasons ? Was the last good year back in 2010 ?


2012 was the last year we had slightly above average rainfall (1314.6mm), the following years were as follows:

2013 - 715.2mm
2014 - 1037.2mm (just below average)
2015 - 397.6mm (our driest year since records at the AP began in 1940)

Townsville's YTD total for 2016 is a respectable 909.8mm, thanks mainly to a very wet March (558mm).

Sounds good on paper, but as we all know the dam levels speak for themselves.


Looking at the historical records, it seems that since the late 80's Townsville has about 5 years of below average rainfall, followed by 3-5 years of above average rainfall.

The 80's were particularly bad for rainfall - only 1981 and 1989 were above average, with 7 consecutive years of below average rainfall in a row. The 70's were the total opposite, with 9 years of above average rainfall, and 1 below (1970).

Another fun fact - from 1941 to 1978 (37 years), 28 of those years were above the 1000mm mark. For the next 36 years (1979-2015) only 16 of those years were above 1000mm, with 2016 possibly not extending on that either.
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#1391855 - 31/10/2016 15:47 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Intetesting statistics RD, esp the 37 year breakdown.
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#1391918 - 01/11/2016 09:32 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Only watering veges and herbs now. The rest of the gardens can go to pot. I have mothballed my mower and weed eater for the foreseeable future.

Desal plants are huge white elephants. If you think pumping from the Burdekin is expensive (power, maintenance costs etc) wait till you see the daily costs of running a desal plant. If you pumped the water harvested by the desal plants back into the dam you will loose a huge percentage of it to evaporation which makes about as much sense as burning $100.00 notes to heat a bbq.

Yes it may have to come to this but desal isn't a magic bullet. I would like to see the dam deepened by 10 to 20 meters, but that won't happen so the only other viable option is Hells Gate as a backup to the Burdekin. Lots of studies have shown that this option would be viable.
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#1391924 - 01/11/2016 10:04 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Also the fact that Hells Gate can directly deliver to Ross Dam using mostly gravity, with only a few spots requiring pump assistance, is surely the most viable option.

SBT I could be wrong, but I remember reading something a long time ago in regards to Ross Dam. Apparently it is at its most cost effective height, and as it is an earth wall construction any increase in its capacity would require an exponential widening of the base to cope with the increase in pressure. I can't remeber the ratio off hand, but say for example for every one meter in height may require twenty meters in breadth. This is not the ratio, I think it was a hell of a lot more than that, but you can get the gist.

The only thing stopping Townsville from surging ahead right now is infrastructure, and water security being the most important. This is also inhibiting Qld as a whole. Unfortunately, as corrupt as he apparently was, Old Joe seems to of been the last Premier with any vision towards the future for the entire state, not just a few hectares full of cement in the bottom corner.

Anyway, bloody hot out here! Still coolish nights and rather breezy. Good storms in a couple of weeks, get your chase ready boys.


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#1391964 - 01/11/2016 17:00 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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At the beginning of the year it sounded like the Hells Gate Dam was almost green lighted...What happened....?

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/new...b7e8000452ae926

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#1391987 - 01/11/2016 21:08 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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funding for a new feasibility study was granted. this has to happen to ensure government funding, if allocated is actually worth its while, eg the government actually gets what it pays for.
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#1391991 - 01/11/2016 21:56 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Where is the feasibility study at now Mick...?...

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#1392000 - 01/11/2016 23:28 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: scott12]
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Originally Posted By: scott12 (pogo)
Where is the feasibility study at now Mick...?...


In the hands of Townsville Enterprise....so nothing will get done haha.

In a way I really wanna see this drought get really bad for the Ross Dam. It's the onlyway anything will ever get done. You know it to be true people!

The rains are not comin lol

Hopefully I will catch a storm around the Towers tomorrow afternoon.


Edited by Dawgggg (01/11/2016 23:30)
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#1392014 - 02/11/2016 09:23 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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Cool breeze up here this morning Trav. Might need to get out around Pentland to see some action. Very humid this morning so that is a good sign, but need some of this light cloud to dissipate so the heat can ramp up.

The first feasibility study on Hells Gate was done during the Jo years, and since then there has been countless others. So unless the river has changed course in those years, or some catastrophic geological disaster has occurred, I am not sure what a new feasibility study will find. other than economics.

Eventually feasibility studies have to stop and then the realisation that this dam should of been put in place in the early nineties to accommodate Townsville's growing populace will hit home. If this dam does not go ahead then you can kiss goodbye any real growth in NQ. It has to happen, and the longer they put it off the more it will cost. A feasibility study every five or so years in a faux attempt at concern is stupid. They have already been done, and by doing more you may as well burn a million dollars worth of hundred dollar notes, what a waste.

Get on with it!

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#1392024 - 02/11/2016 10:36 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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From what I read yesterday its costing 2 Million to do this stupid study.

Apparently its the only way to get Government funding.

Steering is good today, Charters is a chance, but there is alot of dry air that has to be overcome in the lower levels ( hence the cool morning you mentioned slippery ).

Lower level moisture will be brought in with the seabreeze after 4pm. Most of the weak storms should stay on the ranges, but with better steering today +5 knots over yesterday theres always the chance something will get off the white mountain ranges.
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#1392029 - 02/11/2016 11:03 Re: North Queensland Build Up - Cardwell to Bowen October 2016 [Re: Mick10]
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I have to say this hot and dry is doing my head in. Last months amount was less then last years oct, Quoting someone's user name....RAIN dammit.
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