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#1409270 - 23/02/2017 19:34 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
rainthisway Offline
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Registered: 09/11/2015
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Loc: Mutarnee.....70km north of Tow...
22.8mm up here in short sharp shower.
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#1409299 - 24/02/2017 05:44 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
Dawgggg Offline
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RIP 'wet' season

Cant wait for winter. Id rather be comfortable than put up with 34C and 25C dew points and get no rain anyway.
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#1409300 - 24/02/2017 05:44 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
Dawgggg Offline
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RIP next wet season too.
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#1409313 - 24/02/2017 09:23 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
rainthisway Offline
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Loc: Mutarnee.....70km north of Tow...
See ya in 2019 huh trav.
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Mutarnee, Southern Wet Tropics - 70km North of Townsville and 40km south of Ingham.

MTD (Mar 2017]: 227.4mm (Ave 330.1mm)
Feb 2017: 224.5mm (avg 468.4mm)
YTD 2017 663.8mm (Avg 1964.9mm)

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#1409644 - 26/02/2017 17:53 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
tsunami Offline
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Registered: 06/12/2010
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Loc: Wynnum SE Brisbane
Hey guys just a quick note
With the new staduim thats going to be built in the ville instead of new water storage. At least the league games wont last long and the players wont need to be fit. As without water to water the field the cracks will be that big that the balls will disappear down them..game over smile
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#1409658 - 26/02/2017 19:29 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
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#1409668 - 26/02/2017 20:29 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Dawgggg]
Vinnie Offline
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Registered: 17/05/2006
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Loc: Central Qld.
Originally Posted By: Dawgggg
RIP 'wet' season

Cant wait for winter. Id rather be comfortable than put up with 34C and 25C dew points and get no rain anyway.


We have 30 deg with 20deg dew points and i can hear the neighbours split system from the outside almost everyday from the street every time i go walking, even though it's windy across from the beach they have the house sealed up with air con going.
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#1409702 - 26/02/2017 23:27 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: tsunami]
Red Watch Offline
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Registered: 14/03/2010
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Loc: Townsville
Originally Posted By: tsunami
Hey guys just a quick note
With the new staduim thats going to be built in the ville instead of new water storage. At least the league games wont last long and the players wont need to be fit. As without water to water the field the cracks will be that big that the balls will disappear down them..game over smile

Who says it is being built instead of new water storage, hells gate dam is for agriculture purposes and not just for Townsville. It is up to Sunwater to ascertain whether they can make money off a 2 to 3 billion dollar dam.


Edited by Red Watch (26/02/2017 23:29)

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#1409705 - 27/02/2017 00:22 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
tsunami Offline
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Registered: 06/12/2010
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Sorry red watch
Just gotta look at the news to see where the gov wants to spend the $$$. Aparently townsville doesnt have a water problem....ROLMFAO X5
WOULD LIKE SBT tO IMPUT ON THIS ONE
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#1409722 - 27/02/2017 07:49 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
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Registered: 25/03/2007
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Loc: Townsville
We are going to be pumping from the Burdekin all year, will probably start in 2 weeks again.
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#1409748 - 27/02/2017 10:36 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: tsunami]
Red Watch Offline
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Registered: 14/03/2010
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Loc: Townsville
Originally Posted By: tsunami
Sorry red watch
Just gotta look at the news to see where the gov wants to spend the $$$. Aparently townsville doesnt have a water problem....ROLMFAO X5
WOULD LIKE SBT tO IMPUT ON THIS ONE

The government will be spending money on the stadium and the feasibility study for the hells gate dam with the support from the Townsville City council, do some research.

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#1409754 - 27/02/2017 10:48 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
slipperyfish Offline
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Hells Gate has had numerous feasibility studies done over the decades, and now another one. Feasibility studies are another way of saying it is not going to happen. Kind of like when your parents said maybe when you were a kid. Maybe means NO in parent speak, so they don't have to deal with the fallout.

Another feasibility study is going to find exactly what they already know, and that is that the South do not want to spend that kind of money in the North where the votes are scarce in comparison.

Remember they get they get their meat and vegetables from Woolies and Coles. They magically appear on the shelves.

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#1409761 - 27/02/2017 11:41 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: slipperyfish]
Red Watch Offline
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Registered: 14/03/2010
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Originally Posted By: slipperyfish
Hells Gate has had numerous feasibility studies done over the decades, and now another one. Feasibility studies are another way of saying it is not going to happen. Kind of like when your parents said maybe when you were a kid. Maybe means NO in parent speak, so they don't have to deal with the fallout.

Another feasibility study is going to find exactly what they already know, and that is that the South do not want to spend that kind of money in the North where the votes are scarce in comparison.

Remember they get they get their meat and vegetables from Woolies and Coles. They magically appear on the shelves.

As for as I know all dams have feasibility studies (including the burdekin dam) before they are built, but because they have been doing the studies on hells gate since the 1930's maybe just maybe it has not been feasible so far for Sunwater to invest 2 to 3 billion on this dam. Why don't you ring up Sunwater and ask them when they are going to build it because the are the only company with the capacity to build it not Townsville City Council that's for sure. The solution is very simple - build and pay for a duplicate 35 km pipeline from Giru to Townsville. It could be completed within 12 months - a cheaper and better option than waiting 10 or 20 years for Hell Gate to be built - if at all.


Edited by Red Watch (27/02/2017 11:48)

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#1409774 - 27/02/2017 12:31 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Red Watch]
slipperyfish Offline
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
Originally Posted By: slipperyfish
Hells Gate has had numerous feasibility studies done over the decades, and now another one. Feasibility studies are another way of saying it is not going to happen. Kind of like when your parents said maybe when you were a kid. Maybe means NO in parent speak, so they don't have to deal with the fallout.

Another feasibility study is going to find exactly what they already know, and that is that the South do not want to spend that kind of money in the North where the votes are scarce in comparison.

Remember they get they get their meat and vegetables from Woolies and Coles. They magically appear on the shelves.

As for as I know all dams have feasibility studies (including the burdekin dam) before they are built, but because they have been doing the studies on hells gate since the 1930's maybe just maybe it has not been feasible so far for Sunwater to invest 2 to 3 billion on this dam. Why don't you ring up Sunwater and ask them when they are going to build it because the are the only company with the capacity to build it not Townsville City Council that's for sure. The solution is very simple - build and pay for a duplicate 35 km pipeline from Giru to Townsville. It could be completed within 12 months - a cheaper and better option than waiting 10 or 20 years for Hell Gate to be built - if at all.


Exactly.

That is why I have made the comment that it is like a parent saying maybe. They are wasting money and time on something they are not really entertaining. I think they call it, playing politics.

The problem has become urgent as Townsville will only keep growing, so a long term project like Hells Gates will not really alleviate the issues Townsville are facing right now. Your idea of upgrading the pipeline has immediate merit, but nobody has the guts to come out and commit to it.

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#1409775 - 27/02/2017 12:51 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: slipperyfish]
Red Watch Offline
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Registered: 14/03/2010
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Loc: Townsville
What people don't understand is the Hells Gate Dam study is about agriculture and power generation, not just water for Townsville. This is an extract from this report into the study about power transmission.
http://www.copperstring.com.au/assets/fi...nk-%20final.pdf
The Pentland scheme would be capable of providing 400 MW of base load power and an
estimated 1,000 megalitres a year of ethanol. It would require the construction of a dam on the
upper Burdekin River at Hellís Gate which will also be used to generate a further 100 MW of
hydro electricity.
Water released from the dam will then be diverted some 150 km to flat arable
land south east of Pentland to irrigate 120,000 ha of sugar cane. Two large scale ethanol plants
will then turn the cane into 1,000 mega litres of ethanol and the left over sugar cane fibre will
fuel steam electricity generators producing 400 megawatts of electricity for 16 hours a day. A
400 megawatt solar concentrator will be installed to produce steam to run the generators for
another 8 hours a day.
The timing of the project as it stands would depend on the construction of the dam at Hellís
Gate. This major water project has been under consideration for a number of years as one of a
number of options looking to develop agriculture in North Queensland through increasing the
area of land under irrigation.
The project would be in competition for funds with a proposed
upgrade to the Burdekin Falls dam and other major water programs in Queensland. A feasibility
study into a 30 MW hydro power station at the Burdekin Falls dam is also underway. The
earliest date at which construction of a dam at Hellís Gate would realistically proceed would be
early next decade.


Edited by Red Watch (27/02/2017 12:59)

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#1409804 - 27/02/2017 17:27 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
tsunami Offline
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Registered: 06/12/2010
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Loc: Wynnum SE Brisbane
Gee wizz redwatch you must work for jenny hill
Next you will be saying they planned to use the staduim money to build a dam before the stadium
Do your research lmao smile
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#1409828 - 27/02/2017 18:47 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: tsunami]
Red Watch Offline
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Registered: 14/03/2010
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Loc: Townsville
Originally Posted By: tsunami
Gee wizz redwatch you must work for jenny hill
Next you will be saying they planned to use the staduim money to build a dam before the stadium
Do your research lmao smile

What are you smoking, the stadium costs approximately 250 million and the hell's gate dam will cost between 2 to 3 billion. Townsville has got nothing to do with the building of dam, so I cannot make it any clearer that it is not about THE DAM OR THE STADIUM, funding for the dam is not impacted by whether Townsville gets a stadium or not. If this issue is going to be a political football instead of a discussion of common sense than I will not be responding to any further politicizing of this topic.


Edited by Red Watch (27/02/2017 18:53)

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#1409836 - 27/02/2017 19:27 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
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Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
Yes the funding stream between the stadium and dam are two separate issues despite many locals complaining there is funding for a stadium and not for a dam. the feds and state have signed a city deal which links the two as a document but that is far as it gets. the federal contribution to the stadium is $100m of which the fine print also links to inner city development along side the stadium, eg boardwalks, bridges etc

the federal government has a different funding stream available in way of concessional loans to state governments, city councils or the private sector to use towards water infrastructure. what the feasibility studies into the raising of the burdekin FD and Hells gate is anyones guess. either way any approvals are years away pending funding, land acquisition and environmental procedures, just for a start. back in the 70's it took 10 years to get burdekin FD funding and work started, imagine the red tape these days.
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#1409838 - 27/02/2017 19:32 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Raindammit]
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Edited by mad mick (27/02/2017 19:33)

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#1409839 - 27/02/2017 19:39 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - February 2017 [Re: Mick10]
Red Watch Offline
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Thanks for clarifying that Mick10 and hopefully all projects concerning us will be completed in a timely manner....not holding my breath.


Edited by Red Watch (27/02/2017 19:51)

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