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#1408651 - 19/02/2017 18:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Petros]
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Originally Posted By: Petros
IMO the majority do not post their voting intent on the internet like most of us do here.


Some do some don't. What I will say though is that many of those who know they will be attacked and maligned for their stance will tend to keep their opinions to themselves. The US election is proof of that.


Edited by Brett Guy (19/02/2017 18:48)

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#1408661 - 19/02/2017 19:13 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
If you have a look at voter satisfaction and the growing popularity of fringe parties you would see that Australian voters are starting to really cotton on to the fact that the major parties do not have their interests at hand. It is all about gaining or retaining power and the major(and probably minor as well ironically) parties will pander to whoever they think can aid that happening. But the voters themselves are starting to see something.


The International Monitory Fund has come up with a figure that fossil fuel subsidies provided by the nation's of the World's taxpayers, is to the tune of $10M US a minute. That is $5.3 trillion US per year world wide. Australia is about 1.5% of the World's trade(?), do you wonder what out contribution to global fossil fuel welfare is?

It is more than what we spend on health.

Brett, do you honestly think voters rejecting major parties for minor and fringe parties will have any impact on improving the welfare of Australians. On wages or on interest rates or on social issues?

The voters are going the wrong way, they are going more right wing. Who will benefit from Cory Bernardi's Australian Conservatives Party, just those who support the politics of fear and anger and the top 1%? Australians are going toward people and parties that are working against them. Shifting to divisive parties not cohesive parties.

Politicians are just the PR arms of Australian corporations, banks, particularly the hyper globalization banks like Goldman Sachs, the giant hedge funds and the mega international corporations. Who do you think we borrow the dollars to buy military hardware from? From the 1000 most profitable businesses and people in Australia, who the Commissioner for the Australian Taxation Office stated, paid not one cent of tax in the previous financial year?

No matter which minor and fringe parties disillusioned Australian voters are gravitating to, the Party's influences are totally insignificant. It might look like the balances of power could shift, but what shifts just doesn't matter. The policies that affect worker's wages, home mortgages, health, education and military spending, have nothing to do with our politicians. No Australian politician is in control of what is happening. We are just kidding ourselves if we think that they are.

Warren.


Edited by Wild Wassa (19/02/2017 19:22)
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#1408669 - 19/02/2017 19:32 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I wasn't suggesting the fringe parties are the right option. Not by a long shot. I was referring to the fact people are realising Labor and the libs are collectively useless and uninterested in the average joe. They only care about themselves and those who can elp them achieve power.

And yes. People are going right. That is inevitable at the moment as the left(more socially as opposed to politically) have pushed too hard in their impatience. The swing to the right is a reaction. A bad one it may be but a reaction nevertheless.


Edited by Brett Guy (19/02/2017 19:35)

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#1408864 - 20/02/2017 12:54 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
I wasn't suggesting the fringe parties are the right option. Not by a long shot. I was referring to the fact people are realising Labor and the libs are collectively useless and uninterested in the average joe. They only care about themselves and those who can elp them achieve power.

And yes. People are going right. That is inevitable at the moment as the left(more socially as opposed to politically) have pushed too hard in their impatience. The swing to the right is a reaction. A bad one it may be but a reaction nevertheless.

We alternate left and right because neither side will look after the needs of the whole population, trickle down vs trickle up effect. And any minor party(One Nation for example) that gets into power will obviously be a major party afterwards and its a bit hard in our system to have more than 2 major parties because you need more than 50 percent of the seats to win.

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#1408923 - 20/02/2017 20:31 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Transparency is alive and well at LNP HQ.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-...220-gugyzu.html
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#1408924 - 20/02/2017 20:36 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1408927 - 20/02/2017 20:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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After clean coal, we have dry water, cold fire and fat-free lard.

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#1408931 - 20/02/2017 21:22 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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But seriously, how do you make clean coal? Do we suck all the carbon out it before we burn it?

Coal is mostly carbon. When you burn it (i.e. combine it with oxygen under heat) you get carbon dioxide plus various gunk from impurities. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a very stable compound, it's a low energy state. It requires more energy to break up (chemically recombine) than to make. If you don't want it in the atmosphere you have to somehow capture it and bury it somewhere where you can guarantee it will never leak out. Not only sounds expensive but really, it's the energy policy equivalent of bulimia.

The truth is, Big Coal, like Big Tobacco, wants to keep their game going for as long as they can. We can't stop using coal tomorrow, no one says we could even if it was a good idea, but we have to phase it out over the next few decades.

The Federal Government has determined that it will boost and generally run interference for Big Coal. I won't speculate why. It is happy to throw a couple of billion to pretend to take action on reducing CO2 emissions, first with Direct Inaction, now cultivating moral panic over "energy security". Next cab off the rank looks like dry water (no, clean coal).

It's all BS.


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#1408943 - 20/02/2017 21:58 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Steve777]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
now cultivating moral panic over "energy security".


Not a peep from them over the power blackouts in Sydney the past week. Oh that's right, they couldn't blame renewables.
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#1408946 - 20/02/2017 22:25 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Brett Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
I love a good conspiracy theory

It still needs evidence to be called a theory wink .


Edited by -Cosmic- (naz) (20/02/2017 22:34)

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#1408965 - 21/02/2017 08:21 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: Steve777
now cultivating moral panic over "energy security".


Not a peep from them over the power blackouts in Sydney the past week. Oh that's right, they couldn't blame renewables.


...and it's a liberal state.
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#1408967 - 21/02/2017 08:32 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1409019 - 21/02/2017 16:03 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Seira]
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Originally Posted By: -Cosmic- (naz)
Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
I love a good conspiracy theory

It still needs evidence to be called a theory wink .

At least so you're aware, it was all in good fun smile .

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#1409052 - 21/02/2017 19:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Seira]
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Originally Posted By: -Cosmic- (naz)
Originally Posted By: -Cosmic- (naz)
Originally Posted By: Brett Guy
I love a good conspiracy theory

It still needs evidence to be called a theory wink .

At least so you're aware, it was all in good fun smile .


All good mate.I thought it was good natured. From what I can see there is certainly plenty of evidence being provided( selective of course but evidence nevertheless wink )

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#1409120 - 22/02/2017 11:23 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Malcolm Turnbull takes aim at United Nations for 'one-sided resolutions' to Israeli-Palestinian conflict

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-22/malcolm-turnbull-united-nations-benjamin-netanyahu/8291898

We now have a PM making diplomacy decisions on the behalf of all Australians, where there is no clear consensus from the public on the issue.

I deplore what organisations like PLO do with suicide bombers , etc. However Israel is like that school bully who just happens to popular with the right teachers..

This is an issue in my mind that does have two sides to the conflict.
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#1409128 - 22/02/2017 13:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
I deplore what organisations like PLO do with suicide bombers , etc. However Israel is like that school bully who just happens to popular with the right teachers.

This is an issue in my mind that does have two sides to the conflict.


You pretty well much hit the nail on the head there.

The Jews were kicked out of the their home back in 70CE by the Romans, which they destroyed the city for the rebelling, and the Jewish Revolt was finally ended with the final siege of Masada in 74CE. Since then, only a remnant were allow to stay, but generally they were stayed around the northern area around the Sea of Galilee. And at times they were kicked around by other kingdoms, empires from time to time around Europe as footballs. Not nice for them as a nation or anyone for that matter.

It was only until the turn of the 20th century, the Jews were pestering Great Britain to get them access to Jerusalem, but due to the war with the Ottoman Empire in WW1 things were thrown into disarray as Thomas Lawrence put into the minds of the Arabs that they can have Jerusalem if they kick the Ottoman regime out. Only then after WW2, the Jews were able to gain access fully to Jerusalem with the GB and then the US, as compensation for the things that happened to them as a people by the Nazi's. The rest then is history.

But looking at some parts of their history, there was peace and mutual assistance between the Jews and the Muslims who had control of the Levant during the middle ages, kicking out the Crusaders fighting side by side at times. So why can't they be friends now?

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#1409130 - 22/02/2017 14:08 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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ColdFront:
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Not a peep from them over the power blackouts in Sydney the past week. Oh that's right, they couldn't blame renewables.


The blackouts were due to strong winds during thunderstorms causing trees to bring down powerlines. Unlike SA where power is unreliable because of reliance on wind. There is nothing wrong with NSW generation capacity. If there ever is, it will be because of population growth from too many immigrants and asylum seekers settling here, consuming energy infrastructure that they’ve never contributed a cent to.

ColdFront:
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Oh, looky there. Evidence

You seem an avid reader of The Guardian. I would be careful quoting ‘evidence’ from a leftist rag that only promotes the left wing agenda of its journalists.

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#1409134 - 22/02/2017 14:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I thinks there's a few around here being sucked into Poorleen Hanson's dribble.


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#1409135 - 22/02/2017 15:00 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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"Medicinal marijuana sale approved by Federal Government"
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#1409136 - 22/02/2017 15:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Great news
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