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#246078 - 27/11/2003 22:34 sharks
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Gday to all; :wave:

Could anyone please tell me exactly what a "BULLSHARK" is and any info on them if you know please..

I was fishing here about 2 weeks ago in the local river{Shoalhaven River}here in Nowra and i seen a shark,everyone says to me it could be a "Bullshark",ive never heard of a bullshark before..

Any info be very much appreciated..

Thanx everyone..

Craig :wave:
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#246079 - 27/11/2003 22:51 Re: sharks
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Hi Craig,
I don't know what a bull shark is but when I went diving around Bega about 2 years ago I saw a lot of Bull Rays around the jetty. Is that what they mean?? ( A bull ray looks like a standard sting ray but are around the same size as a manta, about 2-4 metres across the fins depending on age)
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#246080 - 28/11/2003 03:00 Re: sharks
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Hi Craig & Seaweed, i've just looked up my fish book, which tells me theres about 250 species of sharks in the world, of which about half are in Australian waters - there are families of sharks mentioned, but did not name all 250 names & no sign of a bullshark - my fishing mate has a better book than me, so i'll get him to look it up - i rang him tonite, but he has also got sick of this weather with his farming & headed off to his beach shack for a few days fishing - lucky devil, its getting a bit too close to school hols for me to take a few days off unfortunately!
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#246081 - 28/11/2003 11:02 Re: sharks
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Bullsharks are common in the Gold Coast canals - they've been responsible for a couple of fatalaties up here in recent years.

To quote the QLD DPI :
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It is believed that this shark has made more attacks on humans than the white pointer or the tiger shark eek . Due to its ability to tolerate low-salinity waters, the bull whaler can be found far up rivers, and has been recorded hundreds, sometimes thousands, of kilometres up rivers in other parts of the world
More info here , with a story from Catalyst here too.

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#246082 - 28/11/2003 11:57 Re: sharks
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Very interesting.A few years ago,I read a book about shark attacks in Australia.I noticed that many of the attacks were from Bullsharks,with some being fatal as Ben said.I think there may have been a fatal attack in the Georges River(Sydney)a long time ago.
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#246083 - 28/11/2003 22:55 Re: sharks
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Gday to all;

I very much appreciate your posts..

I was telling a few friends in which are water -skiers and water ski on the Shoalhaven River,they said they will be taking extreme care and they also will find this info very interesting too..

So many thanx to all,i appreciate it very much.. :wave:
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#246084 - 15/05/2004 00:27 Re: sharks
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Hello there, thought I would take it upon myself to educate you slightly on the Carcharhinus Leucas or Bull Shark as it is commonly known.
The Bull Shark has also been called the River Shark, Freshwater Whaler, Estuary Whaler and Swan River Whaler. It can be found from WA and around the northern coastline down the east coast to NSW.
It is the only species of shark that is known to spend extended periods of time in fresh water also.
A combination of different things make it easily recognisable such as the greyish heavy body, second dorsal fin, small eyes, short blunt snout and triangular serrated teeth. laugh
Bull sharks are considered dangerous to humans -even more so than the Great White and are often found in water less than 30 feet deep!
They are estimated to live to 24 yrs and can grow up to 3.4m - 11 ft... eek
Bull shark flesh is consumed by humans and the skin is often used as leather.
There you go, a brief run down on the little blighters, any other sharks you need to know about... Im your informant wink

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#246085 - 15/05/2004 01:07 Re: sharks
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I was about to say similar. A 70 year old died last year from an attack in Gold Coast canal. More people die around the world from bull sharks than from any other shark. It has been found up to 2800 km up the Mississippi River in the USA and 4000 km up the Amazon River in Peru. It has been found in Lake Nicaragua (Central America) and the Zambezi River (Africa).

Without doubt it is the deadliest shark in the world as far as humans are concerned and loves rivers and estuaries and breeds in river mouths. I suspect it was one of these suckers I saw while surfing in the Maroochy river mouth about 3 years ago. Anyway it was a big shark about 6-8 ft long and looked a lot like the pics I've seen of bulls. Didn't hang in the water too long to find out for sure though.

It is a bloody versatile shark and "Until very recently, researchers thought the sharks in Lake Nicaragua were a separate species because there was no way for the sharks to move in or out. It was discovered that they were jumping along the rapids just like Salmon. Bull Sharks tagged inside the lake were later caught in the open ocean." Buggers......

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#246086 - 15/05/2004 01:22 Re: sharks
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On July 6, as 8-year-old Jessie Arbogast waded in about 2 feet of water along Florida's Gulf Islands National Seashore, a 7-foot-long bull shark ambushed him, tearing off his right arm and a chunk of his right leg. The attack came so near to shore that Jessie's uncle and another beachgoer were able to grab the shark and drag it onto land where park rangers shot it, pried its mouth open, and retrieved the severed arm. The boy almost bled to death and lapsed into a coma. Surgeons reattached the limb, and though Jessie is showing signs of coming to, doctors say it's too soon to know if he'll make a full recovery.

Earlier that day, just a few miles away, I was standing on the dock of my family's house contemplating a swim. I can't claim a premonition, but something made me hesitate. Call it a flash of anxiety. A thought of how the once benign waters of the Florida Panhandle have seemed a little less inviting this past year. Last summer, not far from the scene of the Arbogast attack, a bull shark ripped the swimming platform off a 22-foot speed boat. The same week, bull sharks mauled a group of triathletes as they trained 15 miles down the coast. Chuck Anderson, a 44-year-old school assistant principal, lost his right hand and much of his arm and barely made it to shore as the sharks trailed him. Less than two months later Thadeus Kubinski, a retired businessman living near Tampa Bay, was attacked by a bull shark when he jumped off his backyard dock into five feet of water. His stunned wife ran to call 911. Kubinski died before help arrived. As I finished this story, the Associated Press reports that a man surfing just down the beach from the scene of the Arbogast attack was bitten while sitting on his board. He was taken to the same hospital, but his condition did not appear serious. The culprit wasn't identified, but the attack fit the bull shark's MO.


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#246087 - 22/05/2004 19:28 Re: sharks
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i recently had a shark experience, with a WHITE POINTER

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#246088 - 23/05/2004 00:11 Re: sharks
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Hi All, ah Sic now you have saved me from thinking my memory was gone !!! yes i know about Freshwater & Swan River Whalers (i didn't know it as a Bullshark)- yes a few have been caught in the Swan River over the years, 1 in particular figured in a Crime war in Perth years ago when a mob threw a victim in the river thinking the body would not be found, but then the fishermen pulled in a Swan River Whalers with quite a few human bits still intact in it!!!
Now Percy you can't possibly post up a one liner saying you had an "experience" with a White Pointer - this is a fishing thread for heaven sake !!!!! - you HAVE to tell us about it????
For a while we had the world record for a White Pointer caught by a World Champion Game fisherman named Green hook a big one off Albany back when the Whaling Station was working in the 1970's The big whites used to follow the Whales up as they were towed up from the Southern Ocean. I saw it when it was landed, it was huge around the middle and from memory was about 15ft long - i'll keep my eye out in my office & might find the photo i took. i've caught a few sharks over the year, the biggest was unintentional when a 9ft 6in bronze whaler got tangled in my fishing net one night. When we lifted him up he had rolled 60 meters of net around him - i thought he was dead until his nose came out of the water and he was very much alive and with one swish of his tail took all the front windscreen off my mates new boat and got his teeth stuck in an oar - great excitement for a few minutes!!! Today when i catch sharks i mostly release then - poor things are getting hammered by shark fisherman & that rotten mob who catch them & cut their fins off mad gets me really upset.
Anyway no fishing for me for last few weeks as its been too rough, but got one of my best ever catches of King George whiting just over a month ago.
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#246089 - 24/05/2004 16:23 Re: sharks
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ok, ok. it was exactly this weekend last year and my dad went for a dive and i sat on the shore and watched. I saw my dad surface to get his bearings then he submerged again, but anout 30 seconds later i saw this huge white pointer on the surface in the same spot i last saw my dad, i nearly S#@t myself, but lukily five minutes later i saw a seal and i thought he was safe again, which he was.

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#246090 - 05/07/2004 17:45 Re: sharks
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Hey Guys,

I haven't been fishing for ages, must get down to the coast again soon with a rod and reel.
Anyway. My uncle, a bit of a renogade hippy lives up the NSW N coast, near Casino I think, and he's a pretty avid surfer. One day as he was sitting on his board waiting for a set, he noticed his shadow below him but didn't take much notice, until it started moving while he wasn't lol.
He leant down to block out the glare, and sh@t himself as he made out the pec fins of a grey nurse he thinks it was. He bolted, understandably and made it back it into shore without any contact with the shark.
When he was telling us this story, he said that at first he thought he was dreaming, but had been off week for years and couldn't understand why he was having these halucinations lol.

:cheers: Will

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#246091 - 07/07/2004 10:42 Re: sharks
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grey nurse = harmless. Seen them plenty of times on the mid north coast of NSW.

Also, the georges river has seen 10 recorded attacks of the 12 total for the sydney regions eastuaries. Plenty of sharks there.

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#246092 - 08/08/2004 22:44 Re: sharks
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The Grey Nurse isn't a threat. Went diving with them at Julian Rocks off Byron in May. wink

I did have a bad experience last December surfing at Phillip Island. Two of us were out at Magiclands (near Woolami) sitting out the back when a 6-8ft Bronze Whaler surfaced about 10m directly behind me heading in our direction. My mate said "get your feet up" because it slowly submerged as it got closer. I think I kicked my legs in a mad panic to get moving and it was startled or something and it just went under us and didn't attack. eek
I can tell you that you go from thinking you're in the best place on earth to suddenly thinking it is going to be your last moment on earth. We paddled our guts out (typically there was a lull) for what seemed forever until the shorey picked us up. That's when we noticed the Westpac plane doing circles & dives right where we were.
It hasn't put me off, that's my first encounter surfing like that in over 25 years and you take more of a risk evey time you climb into the car..... cool

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#942136 - 29/01/2011 23:09 Re: sharks [Re: Deeman]
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Wobbeygongs arnt a risk either grin

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#942296 - 30/01/2011 00:11 Re: sharks [Re: Mudfreak]
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Im a shark fanatic, i can name just about every species of shark there is

A. Because they are facinating
B. Because they scare the absolute bejesus out of me.

The grey nurse, wobbeygong lol, and whale shark are 3 of the most placid sharks there are, the grey nurse is often mistaken as a fierce predator because of its size and teeth, in actual fact they do not attack unless provoked or scared, theres a school of them at Hyams Beach at Jervis Bay, they swim around along with pods of dolphins, they dont worry me and it was one of my favourite swimming areas.

The Bullshark is responsible for more deaths than any other shark, its a pack shark and has a tendency to play an "alpha" type role due to having too much testosterone making it more aggressive, the bullshark will attack unprevoked, for the thrill, the kill and to eat. They are often found in fresh water and inlets more so than any other waters and go up river to have their young, they have been found as far inland up to 120kms. The movie jaws was based on the Jersey shark attacks which is believed to have been from a bullshark as the inlet was fresh water, but theres nothing scarier than a great white to knock your socks off. Alot of deaths go unreported in India as their cannals are full of these monsters who prey on their human supply, to the bullshark we are a food source.

The most deadliest sharks in the world are

Bullshark
Tiger shark
Mako Shark (the cheetah of the shark world being able to launch itself at 50mph and jump over 9 meters in the air)
Great White Shark
Reef Shark
White tip Shark
Hammer head shark
Lemon Shark
Blue Shark

Below is a picture up close and personal with a bullshark
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#944939 - 30/01/2011 23:28 Re: sharks [Re: Krissyistormy]
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Originally Posted By: Krissyistormy

the grey nurse is often mistaken as a fierce predator because of its size and teeth, in actual fact they do not attack unless provoked or scared, theres a school of them at Hyams Beach at Jervis Bay, they swim around along with pods of dolphins, they dont worry me and it was one of my favourite swimming areas.
The most deadliest sharks in the world are
Bullshark
Tiger shark
Mako Shark (the cheetah of the shark world being able to launch itself at 50mph and jump over 9 meters in the air)
Great White Shark
Reef Shark
White tip Shark
Hammer head shark
Lemon Shark
Blue Shark


Hi Krissy,

Have you personally seen those sharks you refer to as grey nurses at hyams beach? in my several sightings of grey nurse sharks while spear fishing i have never seen them in water less than 10m deep or more than about 2 metres of the bottom, meaning they are extremely unlikely to be seen from a beach or by a swimmer in general(sharks seen from a southern nsw beach are generally bronze whalers or hammerheads). also grey nurse sharks are quite uncommon so there are only a few places in nsw to see a "school" of them - magic point at cronulla and fish rock/julian rocks in northern nsw are the well known ones.

you have some good points there though it does sound as though you have been misinformed on some of the sharks listed. i agree with bull sharks and tigers as the two most frequent attackers however i would place great whites at no. 3. While makos and blue sharks are fast and have large teeth, they primarily live in the open ocean so present little danger to swimmers. Lemon sharks are completely harmless, while the only danger reef sharks pose is a bite on the hand if feeding them. Large hammerhead sharks are certainly dangerous, they have been known to be very persistent in aggressive behaviour towards spear fishermen. The only hammerhead shark i have seen in the water was about 1.5 metres long and was scared of me so was clearly not a threat at that size.

the only time i have ever been in a dangerous situation with a shark was one night when i was fishing with a friend out of a 16 foot boat. Hoping to catch either snapper or smaller sharks we had suspended some kingfish frames off the back of the boat, and were also pouring tuna oil into the water. Eventually what looked like a submarine swam just under the boat, it was an enormous tiger shark about the same size as the boat - luckily it did not ram or bite the boat or we would have been in real trouble!

if you get the chance to do some snorkelling or scuba diving it will greatly increase your knowledge of shark species and their habits, and you will come to realise that 99% of the sharks just want a feed of fish and are really not interested in removing your leg wink


Edited by lightning chaser (30/01/2011 23:34)
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#945234 - 31/01/2011 08:47 Re: sharks [Re: lightning chaser]
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Hi hun

Yes indeed i have seen them in that area, im not your regular beach goer, I like to know whats below me and have been known to use a snorkel on many occassions, they also used to take tourists there as well. The last time i went in at Hyams was back in 2003 so perhaps the school has moved on I wouldnt know at this point in time. Seen some amazing creatures in the bay, especially on the rocks at the bottom of the cliff face below the old lighthouse.

I should have pointed out that the list i made was just a general list and not a given of which species is the most likely to eat you haha.

Ive heard the stories about the trollers/fishing boats being circled by monsters, i would crap myself if that ever happened to me. My great grandfather had trollers my nan always used to tell me about the time they harpooned a great white that was bigger than the "25 foot" boat, pops that saying out of jaws into my head "we need a bigger boat" They used to launch from Tassie in the colder waters and I guess back then before everyone went on a Kill all Great Whites crusade they did get to grow old
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#945317 - 31/01/2011 09:30 Re: sharks [Re: Krissyistormy]
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yes there's some great diving around point perpindicular, i've seen lots of kingfish there and one of my dive buddies saw a marlin there once. you certainly don't have to swim far from the cliffs before it drops into some very deep water (20 metres plus about 50 metres out from the cliff). The 2 places i have seen grey nurse sharks were near currarong just to the north of jervis bay, the largest one i have seen was around 3 metres long and for a brief moment i thought it could have been a great white (similar profile when viewed from above) until i noticed the second large dorsal fin and the brown spots on it's skin. I would certainly rate that as one of the best experiences of my 15 years of diving but wish i had a camera with me.

and yes after that run in with the tiger shark it felt like we were fishing off a bodyboard lol eek
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