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#1426435 - 21/06/2017 17:21 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
Weary Offline
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No comments on the cardwell north thread so I'll try here

Just looking at the Cairns radar and it has a extra set observations about halfway along the road between Kuranda and Mareeba. When you mouse over it it says "observations for portable QFRH"

Anyone got any ideas what is going on?
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#1426436 - 21/06/2017 17:23 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Weary]
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Obviously there are yearly variations (we had a very cold winter a couple of years ago with multiple snow falls in Stanthorpe), but generally our winters seem to be quite mild compared to the winter averages.

Looks like we'll hit 25 on Monday with every day in the next week 22 or higher.

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#1426437 - 21/06/2017 17:25 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Weary]
Ken Kato Offline
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Originally Posted By: Weary
No comments on the cardwell north thread so I'll try here

Just looking at the Cairns radar and it has a extra set observations about halfway along the road between Kuranda and Mareeba. When you mouse over it it says "observations for portable QFRH"

Anyone got any ideas what is going on?


The firies have portable AWS's (PAWS) that they can deploy and provide data to the Bureau.

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#1426443 - 21/06/2017 18:40 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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Thanks Ken. But why would they display it on the radar image??
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#1426445 - 21/06/2017 18:43 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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Because it's part of the obs network that anyone can view (it's also displayed on the QLD near-realtime obs tables).

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#1426450 - 21/06/2017 19:43 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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It seems the seasons seem to be pushed back a bit winter takes a bit longer to kick in and summers seem to be around forever. When it does get cold it surely does remember the last one about 10 years ago out this way with a minus 4 black frost, also remember November 2010 when the temp never got above 30 degrees for the month I think it was a record if not bring it back anyway lol. Weather always comes in cycles?

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#1426455 - 21/06/2017 21:05 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: jessie]
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Originally Posted By: jessie
It seems the seasons seem to be pushed back a bit winter takes a bit longer to kick in and summers seem to be around forever. When it does get cold it surely does remember the last one about 10 years ago out this way with a minus 4 black frost, also remember November 2010 when the temp never got above 30 degrees for the month I think it was a record if not bring it back anyway lol. Weather always comes in cycles?


Wasn't just November. The first day to reach 30 that spring or summer was in the second week of December. We were in the middle of an enormous La Nina though and the sea was like a sauna around Aus.

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#1426456 - 21/06/2017 21:25 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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There was no rain in the 24hrs to 9am here, so the run of consecutive raindays ends at 14 days.
Originally Posted By: Seabreeze
The longest winter wet spells since 1939 here (including wet spells that started in autumn/spring but finished/started in winter):
20 consecutive raindays - 1972, May 20th to June 8th (bringing 180.3mm)
18 consecutive raindays - 1950, July 14th to 31st (459.8mm)
16 consecutive raindays - 1998, August 15th to 30th (139.0mm)
14 consecutive raindays - 1950, June 14th to 27th (507.8mm)
**14 consecutive raindays - 2017, June 6th to 19th (216.0mm)**
13 consecutive raindays - 1961, May 26th to June 7th (242.2mm)
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South West Rocks, NSW Mid North Coast:
September 2017 Rainfall: 2.6mm (Sep Avg. 56.6mm) // September 2017 Raindays: 1 (Sep Avg. 8.4 raindays)
Year-to-date Rainfall: 1248.2mm (Jan-Sep Avg. 1153.5mm) // Year-to-date Raindays: 106 (Jan-Sep Avg. 102.0 raindays)

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#1426476 - 22/06/2017 08:57 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Nature's Fury]
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While on this subject of past winters June was typically wet on the eastern seaboard and as it progressed into July August and September it got drier and drier particularly September.The howling westerlies used to strike in August in Sydney, a well remembered phenomenon " The August Westerlies " which give you an idea of the positioning of the highs ,so I presume it would have been sunny and stable with west/souwest winds up here. I'm goin back 30 plus years though

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#1426477 - 22/06/2017 08:58 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Nature's Fury]
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While on this subject of past winters June was typically wet on the eastern seaboard and as it progressed into July August and September it got drier and drier particularly September.The howling westerlies used to strike in August in Sydney, a well remembered phenomenon " The August Westerlies " which give you an idea of the positioning of the highs ,so I presume it would have been sunny and stable with west/souwest winds up here. I'm goin back 30 plus years though

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#1426479 - 22/06/2017 09:21 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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I lived in Sydney back in those days, and yes I can relate to those winds in August.
I curious to know is there a database of what the sea temps were back in those days?
With the SAM index and position of highs and lows, if the sea temps are warmer normal , does that attract more lows and troughs to form in our region which keeps the highs further south?
In the winter months, normally highs are centred over the mainland, however there only weak highs.
I don't think I have seen a high over the mainland with 1040 pressure? Where as in the bight, it can be a common thing.

I'm no weather guru, but highs see to be attracted where cooler sea temps are postioned. Having said that, over in the USA, the highs seem to plant themselves in the east Altantic, pushing up warm SW winds which can give the Eastern part of America Warm weather, however the SST are boiling point in that region in there summer months, it dosen't scare the highs away, so my theory could be wrong there.

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#1426523 - 22/06/2017 20:12 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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Generally speaking, positive phases of the SAM and warmer than normal waters off the east coast = highs staying further south than usual and encouraging troughing and lows near eastern Australia. But this also tied in with other influences so it's far from a golden rule.

One of the main factors to why the east coast of the US is a lot warmer than it otherwise would be is the famous warm Gulf Stream that runs up the eastern seaboard.

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#1426526 - 22/06/2017 20:23 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Nature's Fury]
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Originally Posted By: Nature's Fury
Originally Posted By: jessie
It seems the seasons seem to be pushed back a bit winter takes a bit longer to kick in and summers seem to be around forever. When it does get cold it surely does remember the last one about 10 years ago out this way with a minus 4 black frost, also remember November 2010 when the temp never got above 30 degrees for the month I think it was a record if not bring it back anyway lol. Weather always comes in cycles?


Wasn't just November. The first day to reach 30 that spring or summer was in the second week of December. We were in the middle of an enormous La Nina though and the sea was like a sauna around Aus.


We were also happening to enter into a well-defined La Nina at the time of the other occasion that jessie mentioned (the winter of 2007).

There'll always be the odd season or even multiple seasons which buck the overall trend.

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#1426527 - 22/06/2017 20:44 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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And yep Hopefull, "howling westerlies" was a great way to describe it and is how I remember it as well. They were so damn regular.

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#1426541 - 23/06/2017 08:48 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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There is still plenty of time for the westerlies to arrive.

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#1426543 - 23/06/2017 08:59 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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But if those areas that need rain do not get any it will be a cruel harsh winter.

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#1426550 - 23/06/2017 12:01 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Hopefull]
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Originally Posted By: Hopefull
There is still plenty of time for the westerlies to arrive.
i always associate the Westerlies occurring more around the time of the EKKA being in town or just before it, so late July early August...no idea if there's records saying when they normally occur, but it's when I expect them each year.

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#1426553 - 23/06/2017 13:24 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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I think part of that is simply because more people can mentally associate those winds to a particular well-known annual event that a lot of people go to (and get exposed to the winds) and therefore remember it better.

Traditionally, various locations in this region have shown winds with a westerly component have been by far the dominant directions for June, July and August.

Examples for observed 9am winds at Archerfield Airport (wind directions here are less affected by tall buildings compared to the CBD) for those months is below. The longer the bar, the greater the percentage of observations that the wind direction has occurred:







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#1426557 - 23/06/2017 14:50 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
Mike Hauber Offline
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Thats surprising Ken, I was a believer in the Ekka westerlies.

What period is that for?

Do you have any for say the last 10 years?

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#1426558 - 23/06/2017 15:04 Re: SEQLD / NENSW Day to Day Weather - 2017 [Re: Seabreeze]
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Just somthing a little different
Looking at the 4 day map. Would i be correct in saying looks to be a cold sotherly comming latter next week...
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