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#1332835 - 28/06/2015 11:52 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: roves]
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Originally Posted By: roves
Originally Posted By: -Cosmic- (naz)
Apparently farming communities are making the most of recent Federal Budget announcements smile .

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-23/budget-tax-breaks-boon-for-farmers-rural-communities/6564968


Myself being 1 of them, smile

Hopefully the enthusiasm [for communities] spreads beyond the initial incentives smile .

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#1332864 - 28/06/2015 19:17 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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friends in Victoria have gone from 5 sometimes 6 even 7 spray applications back to 3 even 2 in perfect conditions on gm canola.

Its just another tool in farmers management most gm croppers use it on 1/3 of there land and rotate things around.

The big one is frost tolerance at flowering in wheat there planning to cross it with a arctic wheat grass were wheat originted from but due to hold with protocol and due diligence it may not happen. Apparently they can do it by traditional breeding methods but would take 20 plus years, gm is so much more than chemical resistance but seems to get lost in the debate.

The intellectual property for the above is held in Australia which is good, frost tolerance and to a lesser degree heat tolerance post flowering are the main issues when it comes to gm.

Funny year weather wise for farmers seems either very dry or perfect nothing in between.
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#1332873 - 28/06/2015 20:11 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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That sounds great FW, I think the key to this may be the location. Just like everything else, what works in some places, states or countries may not work well in others. So seeing some results from Aussie farmers is far more interesting to what is happening in say the USA. (I also have a slight bias away from US farming practices but that's purely a personal thing)

I daresay many modifications could be possible 'traditionally' but as you say, it takes decades.
Crop & plant protection using methods other than chemical application was a fascination at Uni for me so these kinds of steps forward are intriguing.

I think my comment on the tax break the farmers can take advantage of is that I hope some think outside the box a bit & look at trying to buy equipment to help with their future water needs. Now that could mean many different things in different situations but certainly something worth considering. Their other choice could be looking at diversifying, something that may have been on their mind but couldn't because of the cost of equipment needed to set up. Maybe now is their chance to break a bad cycle they are in?
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#1332874 - 28/06/2015 21:13 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Now here's a good story of farmers diversifying by going back to what worked years ago.
There's been a lot of smart thinking in that family.

Brothers unite to shear family's first fleece in 20 years
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#1332893 - 29/06/2015 09:02 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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The gm debate gets so clouded my misinformation and chem chem chem which reality is its far more than that.

The baxter vrs marsh in WA some much misinformation on both sides have a mate over there that knows both of them and says there good blokes its just got out of hand when media got hold of it and snowballed.



A lot of the keyboard warriors while I respect there opinion have never been on a dryland ag farm in Australia.
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#1332906 - 29/06/2015 12:29 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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If you google Jimmy Kimmel GMO video you will find a very funny video of people being asked why they don't like GMO ......supports your view Farm Weather very well and it's a real good laugh.

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#1332966 - 29/06/2015 19:58 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Luckily there is much more to farming than decisions on GM crops. With that thought in mind, for the main part I'll be focussing away from that debate - it serves little purpose here.

The coming rain for the outback of Qld should be a boost after last week's falls. Whilst we may not be seeing drenching, flooding rains, I think the timing of recent falls is heartening for many.
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#1333019 - 30/06/2015 09:21 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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yeah kazz qld graziers need a break from the dry
mentally and physically must be a shocking drain and financially
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#1333333 - 03/07/2015 09:43 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Farm Weather]
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Pesticide residue report not cause for health safety concern: department of health

A report on the management of pesticides in Western Australia has found residue on fruit and vegetables grown locally is more than ten times the national average.

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#1333449 - 04/07/2015 13:49 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Farm Weather]
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Originally Posted By: Farm Weather
The gm debate gets so clouded my misinformation and chem chem chem which reality is its far more than that.
The baxter vrs marsh in WA some much misinformation on both sides have a mate over there that knows both of them and says there good blokes its just got out of hand when media got hold of it and snowballed.


Yes it is more than that.....
Who was the one who lost out in all of this? Baxter was the one who lost his organic certification and with it a large portion of income that comes from growing Organic crops.

Why was this? because he was minding his on business when his crops were contaminated with GM canola.
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#1333467 - 04/07/2015 20:52 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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trouble with that one yassie my dear it cuts both ways have freinds in vic that have the nice clean gm canola crops later in year had organic canola from neighbours come in they all laugh about it and have a beer.weeds along fence lines soil blowing but as I said they all get on.

was good we actually spoke about farming on this forum for a while rather than cut and paste
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#1333564 - 06/07/2015 09:43 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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I'm amazed Methyl Bromide is still allowed to be used..it used to be used in nurseries I worked in to sterilize potting mix and sometimes soil...I didnt know it was so poisonous at that time..

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/con...fa701cdadd8ed1e http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/con...fa701cdadd8ed1e

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#1333609 - 06/07/2015 14:57 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: pogonantha]
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Originally Posted By: Farm Weather
trouble with that one yassie my dear it cuts both ways have freinds in vic that have the nice clean gm canola crops later in year had organic canola from neighbours come in they all laugh about it and have a beer.weeds along fence lines soil blowing but as I said they all get on.

was good we actually spoke about farming on this forum for a while rather than cut and paste


With this type of technology, the onus should be on the planter to control their crops, if they cannot control them, then they should not be allowed to be planted.Otherwise you could have the scenario where an organic farm (or even a conventional farm) becomes contaminated with GM pollen from a neighbouring farm and a company like Monsanto will come along and sue the contaminated farmer for damages, because the contaminated farmer is "stealing Monsanto's intellectual property"
And yes, it has happened before.


Originally Posted By: pogonantha
I'm amazed Methyl Bromide is still allowed to be used..it used to be used in nurseries I worked in to sterilize potting mix and sometimes soil...I didnt know it was so poisonous at that time..

http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/con...fa701cdadd8ed1e


Yeah Pogo,Methyl Bromide is still widely used for soil fumigation,especially in crops like Strawberries prior to planting.

Same as if you bought the cheap crap garlic that comes from China, it has more than likely been covered with Methyl bromide, same goes for a lot of Produce that comes from Over seas, it is fumigated before it is allowed into the country.
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#1333952 - 09/07/2015 13:09 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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Another study, similar results.

New Study: GMO Corn Makes Rats Infertile

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#1334098 - 10/07/2015 11:27 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: @_Yasified_shak]
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When will people realize that you can't eat coal?

Liverpool Plains: Environment Minister Greg Hunt Approves Chinese Mining Project on Farmlands

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/giant-...708-gi7j65.html
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#1334191 - 10/07/2015 18:29 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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On this I can agree with you wink
Very disappointing. Having grown up in this area it saddens me that they would approve this. Some of if not the most fertile country in Australia......the mind boggles.

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#1335460 - 16/07/2015 14:18 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Still has to have final approval from NSW State before it is given the go ahead.
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#1335461 - 16/07/2015 14:36 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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Sorry that should have Federal Government - still a bloody silly idea to have an open cut mine here. see http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-16/hu...-review/6624816
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#1335876 - 18/07/2015 09:31 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: SBT]
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Originally Posted By: SBT
Still has to have final approval from NSW State before it is given the go ahead.


Do you think that this lame duck Guvment will stop it? If it is anything to do with destroying anything green, it is a done deal.
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#1336012 - 19/07/2015 18:29 Re: Farming, food production and consumers [Re: Greg Sorenson]
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history....first time we all agree
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