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#1428491 - 20/07/2017 09:02 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Blue blood Bluey, surely you are related to royalty and have a couple of lazy castles laying round somewhere over there !

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Edited by samboz (20/07/2017 09:03)
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#1428496 - 20/07/2017 11:16 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega
Government won’t explain why it gave $30m to Rupert Murdoch and Fox Sports

http://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/tv/2017/07/19/foxtel-funding-documents/

**** this. This makes me so mad. Murdoch doesn't need any more money or power.


The reason why we have a crap 2nd class internet system is almost directly due to Murdoch influence over the coalition. The man has interests at near every level. Partly it was an attempt to prop up Poxtel, knowing that high speed internet would make other providers like Netflics more of an option. Then there was his interest in Telstra, who would be left with a useless copper network, but instead was paid $11B for it.
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#1428503 - 20/07/2017 13:24 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
Originally Posted By: Mega
Government won’t explain why it gave $30m to Rupert Murdoch and Fox Sports

http://thenewdaily.com.au/entertainment/tv/2017/07/19/foxtel-funding-documents/

**** this. This makes me so mad. Murdoch doesn't need any more money or power.


The reason why we have a crap 2nd class internet system is almost directly due to Murdoch influence over the coalition. The man has interests at near every level. Partly it was an attempt to prop up Poxtel, knowing that high speed internet would make other providers like Netflics more of an option. Then there was his interest in Telstra, who would be left with a useless copper network, but instead was paid $11B for it.


Yes absolutely. I am amazed that some of the people that post here and vote Liberal/National were not aware of this. I have seen two interviews in the past couple of years where they interviewed john Howard and he was wearing a telstra sponsored tracksuit on his morning walk. An entire nation sold a dud to protect Liberal party interests.

Remember too that Telstra had a broadband plan of its own but it was also built on the back of the copper network that it had told labor needed to be fully overhauled due to degraded copper. Suddenly when the Liberal party announced that they would do the FTTN roll out Telstra announced that the copper was "up to the job". How very convenient .Suddenly it was worth $11 Billion.

Now the NBN Co is trying to put the entire blame for slow speeds on the 4 main providers yet there are numerous business in Bundaberg that cannot even connect or have line drop out continuously. This is such a major embarrassment for the country and it's all the Liberal party's doing.
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#1428536 - 20/07/2017 18:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The reason you have a second class internet is because Australia is a fractured country. Not many give a [censored] about others any more.

I argued in another forum when Labor were still in power how the NBN was giving the satellite users a raw deal. The people getting fibre at the time told me to suck it up and be lucky I was getting that.

So I laugh at them when they bitch and complain now. They had a chance to fight for fairness, but they chose their own thirty pieces of silver.

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#1428545 - 20/07/2017 19:34 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Two of our neighbours are on the satellite set up ahd it's crap too. Constant drop outs and wildly fluctuating speeds.

Awesome attempt at distraction from the fact your beloved party have completely stuffed a critical piece of national infrastructure. It's nothing to do with Labor.

I'll keep my faster adsl 2 which has been fault free until this incompetent government is wiped out either at the nest election or by its own infighting. Probably the latter with Abbott refusing Nick Greiner's advice.😆
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#1428546 - 20/07/2017 19:49 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1428550 - 20/07/2017 20:25 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Has anyone seen the expected employment benefits of the NDIS?

Your extra tax you are paying is just like the childcare system, the super system. Designed to create employment all under the guise of benefiting the population or part thereof.

The employment opportunities will benefit the public service, both state and federal, real estate agents, service providers, tourism, training providers, retail, hospitality, financial services, electrical services, building, allied health services.

Yep, it was always an extra tax designed to help the needy. Had nothing at all to do with directing tax straight into a spending spree. (Read sarcasm thank you)

Bit like the aged care scheme, which I can see another 'levy; coming for. Majority of the money not ending up where it is needed.

A warning for anyone who may have a parent getting an 'Aged care package'. Providers charge their account between 75c and 90c per kilometre travelled to get there. They may also charge an extra amount just for the carer to leave their house. So if they live 100k from where the provider is based they may be paying more for travel than the service they get.

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#1428551 - 20/07/2017 20:27 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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out of hibernation to clear up some of the crud that is spewed out in this thread on an almost daily occurance.....

Originally Posted By: ColdFront

I have seen two interviews in the past couple of years where they interviewed john Howard and he was wearing a telstra sponsored tracksuit on his morning walk. An entire nation sold a dud to protect Liberal party interests.

Yeah John Howard in his Australian Dolphins Swim Team Tracksuit really helped Telstra in their marketing campaigns didnt it?

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7e933edb82b122f11aceeb24f71874c5?width=1024

Originally Posted By: ColdFront

Suddenly when the Liberal party announced that they would do the FTTN roll out Telstra announced that the copper was "up to the job". How very convenient .Suddenly it was worth $11 Billion.


Of course when Labor signed an $11b dollar deal with Telstra, everyone was fine with it, only when its the Libs doing it is a problem for these so called 'one eyed political' fanatics you always refer to
http://www.news.com.au/finance/telstra-s...cdd36c6051adc39

Back into hibernation..........
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#1428555 - 20/07/2017 21:19 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
Of course when Labor signed an $11b dollar deal with Telstra, everyone was fine with it, only when its the Libs doing it is a problem for these so called 'one eyed political' fanatics you always refer to
http://www.news.com.au/finance/telstra-s...cdd36c6051adc39


Look what that deal actually included, straight from the Telstra / NBN agreement PDF back in 2011:

•Lead-in conduits through which the NBN fibre will be connected to each premise;
• Underground ducts and pits through which the NBN fibre will run;
• Dark fibre; and
• Rack spaces in Telstra exchanges


Quote:
"(With these agreements) we will be able to see the close down of the old copper network and its replacement with fibre-to-the-home and that will deliver super-fast broadband to Australian families and businesses."

Telstra, the federal government and the builder of the $35.9 billion national broadband network, NBN Co, have signed definitive agreements for the rollout of the scheme across Australia.

Telstra will receive $11 billion to decommission its copper network, shift customers to the NBN and allow access to its cable ducts."


Compare that with the second rate crap that they're rolling out now. It's a no contest. The Libs [censored] the NBN, there is no two ways about it.

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#1428564 - 21/07/2017 01:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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My post has nothing to do with the current NBN policy of the government, and frankly i dont care what was in the deal nor whether you think its [censored] or not. My post was about one party being perfectly ok with making deals with private companies and another isnt, and that both were for the same amount of money despite the same old rhetoric being spewed out on this thread every time the damn NBN or Telstra is mentioned.
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#1428569 - 21/07/2017 08:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The fact remains Mick that this government has intentionally trashed the NBN for favour from Murdoch. Howard privatised telstra in multiple installments and his party is trying to inflate its value with shonky deals. Mega has already pointed out the difference in investment between the parties. Telstra itself said its copper was rats**t when wanting Labor to pay for its upgrade several years back only to back pedal on its claim when the Coalition stumped up $11 Billion to buy it.

The big winner was foxtel and Abbott even had the gall to invite Murdoch to his post election victory dinner.
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#1428586 - 21/07/2017 16:03 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
My post has nothing to do with the current NBN policy of the government, and frankly i dont care what was in the deal nor whether you think its [censored] or not.


Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Who cares if our internet speeds lag behind the rest of the world? Who cares about the ongoing costs of maintenance on degradation of dated infrastructure? Who cares that we'll need to spend billions more when we finally do move to FTTP in however many years time? Something that all could have been avoided.

It's just mind blowing how anyone can think this is a viable solution.


Edited by Mega (21/07/2017 16:12)

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#1428591 - 21/07/2017 17:19 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It already needs upgrading Mega.
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#1428615 - 21/07/2017 21:18 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Again for those who cant read, or plainly refuse to see the facts in front of their eyes, my post was not about government policy on NBN.

We have all read your thoughts on nbn over and over and over again. Dont need to read it again.
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#1428616 - 21/07/2017 21:32 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1428619 - 21/07/2017 23:24 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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out of hibernation to clear up some of the crud that is spewed out in this thread on an almost daily occurance.....

Originally Posted By: ColdFront

I have seen two interviews in the past couple of years where they interviewed john Howard and he was wearing a telstra sponsored tracksuit on his morning walk. An entire nation sold a dud to protect Liberal party interests.

Yeah John Howard in his Australian Dolphins Swim Team Tracksuit really helped Telstra in their marketing campaigns didnt it?

http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/7e933edb82b122f11aceeb24f71874c5?width=1024

Originally Posted By: ColdFront

Suddenly when the Liberal party announced that they would do the FTTN roll out Telstra announced that the copper was "up to the job". How very convenient .Suddenly it was worth $11 Billion.


Of course when Labor signed an $11b dollar deal with Telstra, everyone was fine with it, only when its the Libs doing it is a problem for these so called 'one eyed political' fanatics you always refer to
http://www.news.com.au/finance/telstra-s...cdd36c6051adc39
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#1428624 - 22/07/2017 07:15 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I see what you did there 😆
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#1428651 - 22/07/2017 13:44 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Why don't people discuss something that actually has a significant and maybe measureable impact on the well-being of the community, like homelessness or suicide rates.

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#1428658 - 22/07/2017 16:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10
Of course when Labor signed an $11b dollar deal with Telstra, everyone was fine with it, only when its the Libs doing it is a problem for these so called 'one eyed political' fanatics you always refer to
http://www.news.com.au/finance/telstra-s...cdd36c6051adc39


Because there was nothing wrong with Labor's $11b deal with Telstra, all of which was included in the agreement which I already posted but of course was dismissed. If you read the article it says Telstra were even onboard with shutting down the old copper network to replace it with FTTH. Why on earth would anyone complain about that? It was only when the current government got their grubby hands on it and offered Telstra a better deal for them (not for us) that people started to complain. There was no need to fix what was never broken in the first place.

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#1428660 - 22/07/2017 18:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Was FTTH ever going to get out of suburbia ?

Long way between houses out of town.
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