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#1429500 - 01/08/2017 18:16 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
Jimi Offline
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I wouldn't be surprised if the equipment did require calibration. Goulburn is cold at night, no doubt, but it seemed to become a focal point for the statewide minimums more than I would have expected, and it broke the monthly record a few times apparently.

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#1429506 - 01/08/2017 19:08 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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I laughed so hard I cry when I read that bom has no agenda. Has anyone here read one word of alternative explanations for climate variance in any bom publication, on their website or in a public release. The science is settled viewpoint predominates. Actually predominates is the wrong word as it assumes a variance of opinion. And there is no variance of opinion. Can't buck the system. Mortgages and careers to protect.
It is hardly a scientific approach to a question. Real science proposes a question. Then a hypothesis is proposed and tested by way of experimentation and observation to see if it adequately answers the question. If the hypothesis is faulty or inadequate a new hypothesis is proposed and so on and so forth. Did Galileo accept the settled science of his day. Nay. What of Copernicus. Nay. The bom now has a quasi ecclesiastical kind of role. And like the pre reformation church it seeks to maintain control of the information. They recognise the danger of data being scrutinised and democratised. It leads to discovery. Of cover ups. Which leads to questionng authority which invariably leads to the crumbling of monolithic institutional power.


Edited by Knot (01/08/2017 19:11)
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#1429510 - 01/08/2017 20:03 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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There is no way the Charlotte Pass record will ever be broken, that is for sure.
Oh hang on, they closed the station in 2015, problem solved.

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#1429513 - 01/08/2017 20:21 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
Has anyone here read one word of alternative explanations for climate variance in any bom publication, on their website or in a public release. .
I'm interested. Can you provide a link to one?

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#1429514 - 01/08/2017 20:22 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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But the science kind of IS settled. Are you seriously suggesting that the BOM is involved in some sort of climate conspiracy?

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#1429517 - 01/08/2017 21:29 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
I laughed so hard I cry when I read that bom has no agenda. Has anyone here read one word of alternative explanations for climate variance in any bom publication, on their website or in a public release. The science is settled viewpoint predominates.

The science is never settled, and the idea that it is...is a point of view smile .

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#1429520 - 01/08/2017 21:53 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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oh for pete's sake, what are you even saying?

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#1429524 - 01/08/2017 22:11 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: sou]
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Originally Posted By: sou
But the science kind of IS settled. Are you seriously suggesting that the BOM is involved in some sort of climate conspiracy?


They are part of the climatocracy. Unconsciously or consciously they wl act in accordance with the edicts, precepts, dictates that uphold and sustain the structure of belief. Did you ever see the Mel Gibson film Apocalypto. There is a classic scene it where the King and his conniving high priest are marking an eclipse. They know the sun will re appear but the ignorant subjects think the sun is gone for good and can only return if human sacrifice is carried out. So the king and the high priest get the grizzly sacrifices underway. The sun miraculously returns. The peoples faith in the king and religious heirarchy is reaffirmed. The lucrative sacrificial system continues.
Climate stuff is big bucks these days. Grants etc. The threat of being in the dole cue keeps anyone thinking about not toeing the line in check. Loss of income. Status. Most people don't go out of there way to go down the ladder. So they go along with stuff. They migt come across stuff that they don't think is kosher. But they'll shut up about it. They remember what happened to the last whistleblower. They saw him on the way to the office sitting on a railway platform with the @ss hanging out of his pants.
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#1429526 - 01/08/2017 22:16 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: sou]
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Originally Posted By: sou
oh for pete's sake, what are you even saying?

Would you like me to quote Dr Johnson about ACORN-SAT instead, as it is about Goulburn smile ?

Edit: Actually, skip that, leave you to it.


Edited by Seira (01/08/2017 22:23)

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#1429527 - 01/08/2017 22:17 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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Plenty of spelling mistakes in my last post. Just thought I would point that out before a spelling nazi pounces he he he
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#1429529 - 01/08/2017 23:44 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
Plenty of spelling mistakes in my last post. Just thought I would point that out before a spelling nazi pounces he he he


You are right, but not like it's an English class.

I am a spelling nazi and have always been but I try to hold back lol.

PS: I also was a little confused by Seira's post, until I read it a few times. Might just be the way he/she writes, which is okay but sometimes the point that is trying to be put across might be missed.


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#1429550 - 02/08/2017 09:47 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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The BOM is part of the "climatocrocy"?! Not the hugely powerful industry giants that make trillions of dollars from fossil fuels and who must maintain climate change skepticism to continue to do so? Oh sweet baby jesus.

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#1429553 - 02/08/2017 11:17 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: sou]
Knot Offline
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Originally Posted By: sou
The BOM is part of the "climatocrocy"?! Not the hugely powerful industry giants that make trillions of dollars from fossil fuels and who must maintain climate change skepticism to continue to do so? Oh sweet baby jesus.


Skepticism is driven by science itself. Not the fossil fuel industry. Skepticism is, or should be a defining feature of science. Copernicus was a skeptic. He was skeptical of the prevailing consensus that the sun revolved around the earth. You wouldn't suggest his skepticism was wrong would you?




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#1429556 - 02/08/2017 12:11 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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97% of scientists agree that climate change is real and humans are making it worse.

This guy named Bob on facebook with a Gun in one hand and road kill in another thinks climate change is B/S..


It's really hard to pick a side.
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#1429558 - 02/08/2017 12:24 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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Since when hasn't the climate changed. A climate not changing would be the odd man out in earth's geological history. There never has been perpetual climate stasis and there never will be. There has been rapid change. Slow change and in between change. With without us. No need for gloom and doom about it.
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#1429563 - 02/08/2017 12:51 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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Hey Knot, I feel like there's no point going over the obvious differences between human induced climate change and historical changes in the climate of the earth as you are surely familiar with these arguments, but i'm puzzled by your position, being as we're on a weather forum rather than the comments page of the daily telegraph. I don't know what to say, and I feel like all this stuff has been covered exhaustively already so my comments will just be frustrating for you, me and anyone unfortunate enough to be reading this thread. Best to you though smile

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#1429565 - 02/08/2017 13:22 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Knot]
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Originally Posted By: Knot
Originally Posted By: sou
The BOM is part of the "climatocrocy"?! Not the hugely powerful industry giants that make trillions of dollars from fossil fuels and who must maintain climate change skepticism to continue to do so? Oh sweet baby jesus.


Skepticism is driven by science itself. Not the fossil fuel industry. Skepticism is, or should be a defining feature of science. Copernicus was a skeptic. He was skeptical of the prevailing consensus that the sun revolved around the earth. You wouldn't suggest his skepticism was wrong would you?





I suspect the fossil fuel industry have way more to lose than the scientists...

There is irony in citing Copernicus, a man whose science was correct, but at the time he was condemned, proclaimed a heretic and ultimately 'recanted' his views to satisfy those who believed in something other than the science presented. Galileo didn't fare much better.

I suggest you find scientists who were accused of being wrong and where the pre-existing dogma and faith ultimately prevailed.

I guess history will be the judge in this instance, the scientists vs those who prefer alternative views/theories, refute the scientific evidence for $$ gain or believe its a conspiracy.




Edited by Snowies (02/08/2017 13:31)

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#1429570 - 02/08/2017 14:27 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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@snowies. Might I remind you that Copernicus and Galileo were in the minority. The majority scientific opinion of the day was earth centric. They went against the tide of consensus. Just as some scientists do today who postulate alternative hypotheses for climate variance.
The fixation on one of many possible causations affecting a chaotic system is not science. It is dogma

@Sou I guess this whole convo is steering into the unmentionable topic a bit. Lol. Who kicked this off. Anyways we just have to agree to disagree. Best to you too


Edited by Knot (02/08/2017 14:32)
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#1429580 - 02/08/2017 16:00 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Teddy]
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With government funding cuts we will continue to see errors. There's no agenda. If anyone has an agenda it's the religious coal advocates. God ain't here to save us.

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#1429591 - 02/08/2017 17:22 Re: Minimum temperatures at Goulburn [Re: Funkyseefunkydo]
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Originally Posted By: Funkyseefunkydo
With government funding cuts we will continue to see errors. There's no agenda. If anyone has an agenda it's the religious coal advocates. God ain't here to save us.


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