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#1430558 - 13/08/2017 22:15 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: Kino
Originally Posted By: Seira
Maybe a bit of truth once in a while doesn't hurt, because stuff certainly ain't gonna change if the same thing is done again and again in the same way...expecting a different outcome.


Agree. But alas it's human kind.

It's called a reality check!


Edited by Seira (13/08/2017 22:17)
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#1430573 - 14/08/2017 10:09 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1430575 - 14/08/2017 10:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront


Agree, and I blame both sides for making what should be essential infrastructure and accessibility into a political football.

However I will never buy the "xyzzy Country has better speeds" argument when that Country is hundreds of thousands, if not millions of km2 smaller than us. We have to realise that our vast remote areas will always be difficult to service. But there is NO excuse for why Capital and major pop areas have poor speeds and/or mobile reception. Absolutely none IMO.

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#1430576 - 14/08/2017 11:09 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: Kino
Originally Posted By: ColdFront


Agree, and I blame both sides for making what should be essential infrastructure and accessibility into a political football.


May I ask why you blame both sides for this? The rollout of FTTP had already well and truely commenced by Labor, so what was the purpose of changing it?

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#1430577 - 14/08/2017 11:16 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega
Originally Posted By: Kino
Originally Posted By: ColdFront


Agree, and I blame both sides for making what should be essential infrastructure and accessibility into a political football.


May I ask why you blame both sides for this? The rollout of FTTP had already well and truely commenced by Labor, so what was the purpose of changing it?


Labor's solution was poorly modelled and would have ended up significantly over budget (read taxpayer having to bail out hundreds of millions if not billions). This allowed the poorer option of FTTN by the Coalition. As I said, both are equally to blame.

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#1430579 - 14/08/2017 11:20 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Not sure how it was poorly modeled? I see that term used a bit but have yet to see any real proof of it. New infrastructure was always going to be wonky to begin with, but it was the best forward to the future for sure. A lot easier than using nodes that consume power, batteries that need replacing in each node every so often, and an old copper network. I don't buy the Libs excuse wanting to save money one bit either...they've already increased the deficit since coming into power.

There are other things that have been used by both parties as political football but the one that I will never accept is the NBN.

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#1430582 - 14/08/2017 11:29 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega
Not sure how it was poorly modeled? I see that term used a bit but have yet to see any real proof of it. New infrastructure was always going to be wonky to begin with, but it was the best forward to the future for sure. A lot easier than using nodes that consume power, batteries that need replacing in each node every so often, and an old copper network. I don't buy the Libs excuse wanting to save money one bit either...they've already increased the deficit since coming into power.

There are other things that have been used by both parties as political football but the one that I will never accept is the NBN.


Look, you have your opinion and I have mine. It was poorly modelled on the basis that cost went from $20b to $40b to $56b to what, now nearly $80b? That money has to be recouped somehow. It's either from pay-per-use or the good ol' taxpayer. I'd rather have seen it pumped into the energy sector. With that sort of $$$ every single Aussie house could have had solar installed and taken a huge load of the grid, as well as clean coal generators and other desperately needed infrastructure.

Poor net speeds are nothing against having no power, or having it disconnected because one can't afford it. Sorry, net speeds are not that critical.

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#1430584 - 14/08/2017 11:33 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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And yet, here we are, government giving a millionaire $30m, and wasting $120m on a postal vote for SSM. So why should I honestly believe that they wanted to save money on inferior network infrastructure?

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#1430585 - 14/08/2017 11:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega
And yet, here we are, Foxtel giving a millionaire $30m, and wasting $120m on a postal vote for SSM.


...and the ABC $5b....

Meanwhile looks like we may be having a change of Govt in weeks, maybe days:

Barnaby gooooonnneeeeeee

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#1430586 - 14/08/2017 11:38 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I'll believe it when I see it, tbh. Seems too good to be true.

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#1430587 - 14/08/2017 11:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Despite the Sol-Gen advice that he has a "strong case..." given the High Court is fairly liberal (note small 'L'), could get interesting. HUGE difference between his and the others is that he was born here and maybe be automatically an NZ citizen due to his father (despite no application etc). Given the archaic constitution, this will be a huge test case (the others more clear cut as outlined due to being born OS).

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#1430588 - 14/08/2017 11:51 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mega]
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Originally Posted By: Mega


May I ask why you blame both sides for this? The rollout of FTTP had already well and truely commenced by Labor, so what was the purpose of changing it?


It was a politically motivated plan that little thought went into.

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#1430589 - 14/08/2017 11:53 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: Kino
Despite the Sol-Gen advice that he has a "strong case..." given the High Court is fairly liberal (note small 'L'), could get interesting. HUGE difference between his and the others is that he was born here and maybe be automatically an NZ citizen due to his father (despite no application etc). Given the archaic constitution, this will be a huge test case (the others more clear cut as outlined due to being born OS).


This is how silly it is, someone could bribe some poor country to give all our politicians citizenship and that would automatically rule them ineligible to be a MP.

In effect our parliament would start to be governed by another country. Other country says do what I say or I will give you citizenship.

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#1430590 - 14/08/2017 12:00 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Why the Constitution needs a mechanism for modernising that doesn't require referendum's (only for certain provisions). Most other major democracies allow dual-citizens.

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#1430591 - 14/08/2017 12:03 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
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Originally Posted By: RC
Originally Posted By: Mega


May I ask why you blame both sides for this? The rollout of FTTP had already well and truely commenced by Labor, so what was the purpose of changing it?


It was a politically motivated plan that little thought went into.



Clearly, little thought went into the current train-wreck of a plan too.

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#1430593 - 14/08/2017 12:14 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Quite right Mega, but the original statement is true, both Labor and Liberal are responsible for the current mess.

Or actually the people of Australia are responsible for being so materialistic.

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#1430597 - 14/08/2017 13:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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No comment on Joyce from his fans?
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#1430598 - 14/08/2017 13:59 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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What is there to comment on. The NZ government has said he is not and never has been a citizen of New Zealand.

What is sad is all these gleeful people, they seen to want a foreign country to be able to hold a sovereign countries members of parliament to ransom.

What is sad is these people vote.

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#1430599 - 14/08/2017 14:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
No comment on Joyce from his fans?


Did you read the above posts?

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#1430602 - 14/08/2017 14:13 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Apparently the NZ Government has just confirmed he in fact is a NZ citizen, lol

Bye bye Barnaby.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...x-politics-live

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