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#1431648 - 25/08/2017 08:09 Re: Australian Politics [Re: samboz]
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Originally Posted By: samboz
Those people you refer to Locke, they live where they choose do they not.

Self imposed hardship?

Re longer hours to pay mortgage, maybe they could live else where, then buy a sensible size/age house, not hard economics.

Re it getting ugly, the secret is to buy&sell on the same market I reckon L.


And this is why we will never have a solution to the housing market issues (aside from the utter greed of those already entrenched). This whole selfish attitude of "I'm alright - stuff you because your probably lazy and doing it wrong".

Samboz your approach might work for a small percentage but you would rapidly find that we've run out of properties within a workable distance of the jobs needed to pay for those. Show me the actual jobs that would be worked to pay for these houses in the middle of nowhere? Show me the schools, hospital, transport and other infrastructure?

Decentralization is a great solution in some cases but it also introduces many issues/inefficiencies for established businesses.

The ultimate example of decentralization of course if shifting jobs overseas. I did see a lifestyle show the other day where someone bought a property in a village in Italy for only $30,000. Perhaps this is an option for our younger people?

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#1431649 - 25/08/2017 08:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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You have to define "inefficiency" Locke.

Australia as a country is extremely inefficient.

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#1431652 - 25/08/2017 09:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I wasn't suggesting that decentralization was only only cause of inefficiency in the Australian economy.

Inefficient is normally used when comparing one approach with another. Whilst decentralization has benefits it also introduces negative impacts that would not arise from a centralized approach.

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#1431691 - 25/08/2017 20:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Locke]
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Originally Posted By: Locke

And this is why we will never have a solution to the housing market issues (aside from the utter greed of those already entrenched). This whole selfish attitude of "I'm alright - stuff you because your probably lazy and doing it wrong".


Should I apologise for getting off my A and working for nigh on 50yrs, living fairly conservative and putting three kids thru' Uni, largely unsupported by Govt hand outs.

I believe that plenty of small country towns have long term empty houses and under utilised infra structure due to population decrease.

With an average farmer age in the 60's there is plenty of work out there, but not the labour force, can't believe that more city young folks don't give it a go.
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#1431704 - 25/08/2017 21:50 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I would love decentralisation. Then when you have to ring a govt dept/large corporation you may get to speak to someone who realises that "Just pop into local branch/office" is a full day for those who don't live next door to it. I am sick of dealing, or trying to, with people who have not an idea in life that not everyone lives within spitting distance of any services or even towns.

How much does centralisation cost us. The airfares for everyone to go to head office. The cost of transporting paper for printers from head office to the outpost.

No wonder people think the govt is out of touch when you can't do a bloody thing with them without the usual craap of "We can't do anything unless you pop into the office".

As to the Dept of Agriculture sitting in Canberra. The closest the staff would be to agriculture is when their week old produce lands on their doorstep after being selected by the instore staff who have put their shopping together. Staff from the Dept of fisheries are the same. How are they supposed to support/enforce laws when they wouldn't even know what they are supposed to protect looks like in the flesh?

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#1431706 - 25/08/2017 22:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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The house I grew up in sold for $245,000 last year and is a 2 bedroom high set fibro house in east Innisfail, so even they have overpriced houses. And by the way that house sold for $18,000 by my parents in the late seventies. I left that town because the banana farm I was working on got wiped out by a cyclone in 1986 and they laid me off. I moved to Cairns and their house prices went through the roof due to tourism in the 90s and got laid off again due to the downturn of the housing industry. I am now in Townsville with an overpriced house and being laid off again from a warehouse that was bought out by a greedy company only interested in profit and now I will be going into retirement with a mortgage.


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#1431719 - 26/08/2017 09:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
T and being laid off again from a warehouse that was bought out by a greedy company only interested in profit and now I will be going into retirement with a mortgage.


Sorry to hear about that !

That may be one of those "inefficiencies" that others here talk about.

Inefficiencies - Australia Post just made $95 million dollars - where does that money come from? You and me through poor and expensive service. Is your post any quicker than 30 or even 50 years ago. Our postman in a large regional centre only visits every 2nd day. Their retiring CEO walks with 12M , yet that is efficient.

How about the so called red tape inefficiency? the lack of the type of regulations that let a building in London be cladded like a roman candle, or the one that has led to 1000's of air bag recalls. I am sure in both cases somebody though it was originally more efficient.
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#1431721 - 26/08/2017 09:49 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Sorry to hear that Red Watch frown

And Michael, I'm pretty sure both those red tape examples where brought in by Labo(u)r-led govts. Awks.

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#1431747 - 26/08/2017 13:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: Kino
I'm pretty sure both those red tape examples where brought in by Labo(u)r-led govts. Awks.


Links please. I'd like to read them and any evidence that they were not introduced to offset a hand out (free kick) by the other mob.
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#1431758 - 26/08/2017 14:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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#1431778 - 26/08/2017 17:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront


Actually, that article shows he'll prob be cleared as he took "reasonable steps" as required by the Constitution. Going to be an interesting month October for sure.

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#1431783 - 26/08/2017 17:24 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Yep, he may be cleared but it also shows he's a liar.
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#1431784 - 26/08/2017 17:34 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Sorry to hear about that !

That may be one of those "inefficiencies" that others here talk about.



Most of the "inefficiencies" is red tape. Years ago back in the 1990's the government of the day said for all young people to go forth and get a university degree.

Unfortunately the government never dictated what degrees they wanted people to get.

So we have ended up with a huge number of degree'ed people whose sole purpose in life either advertently or inadvertently is to force Australian businesses to move offshore if they possibly can. If they can not then these businesses have to pay the Australia bureaucratic tax, which is a cost to be paid to keep people that do not achieve much in a job.

At the end of the day it will mean the destruction of Australia. We are now starting to feel the effects of this agenda we are pursuing.

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#1431785 - 26/08/2017 17:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Yep, he may be cleared but it also shows he's a liar.


Ohhh absolutely, it's one of the main essential criteria for being a politician isn't it?

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#1431786 - 26/08/2017 17:41 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Ohhh absolutely, it's one of the main essential criteria for being a politician isn't it?


It seems so.
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#1432011 - 28/08/2017 10:10 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Yep, he may be cleared but it also shows he's a liar.


Ohhh absolutely, it's one of the main essential criteria for being a politician isn't it?


The old joke

"How can you tell if a politician is lying"

"Their lips are moving"
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#1432016 - 28/08/2017 10:42 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Awesome news for competition and media balance...hopefully.

This will stuff up Hanson if it goes through who was trying to do a deal with Turnbull to gut the ABC because its 4 corners programme is investigating her party.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busines...828-gy5doc.html
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#1432021 - 28/08/2017 11:45 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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It will be interesting to see if Uncle Rupes revokes all the free foxtel packages he handed out to the pollies in anticipation?
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#1432022 - 28/08/2017 11:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Amazing how many entities in Australia are so scared of One Nation they do so much to try to destroy them. But it has all failed so far.

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#1432023 - 28/08/2017 11:54 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I think it's an indictment on our society that we have to persecute political parties that have a different view. I'm pretty sure the Green have skeletons too (ask Lee Rhiannon) but no one dares touch them? Seems double standards. And I'm not a one nation supporter but they seem to have filled the void left by the Democrats "keeping the bastards honest" type mantra.

And sorry, but the ABC does need a major shakeup - and if she achieves that, then that is a massive victory.

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