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#1441582 - 18/11/2017 11:37 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Yes exactly cold front. The ads on tv were total horsh*t.
And I know many who were/are very upset about the entire process. Imagine having your life under the microscope?

I see on FB many on the so-called pro marriage groups are still peddling the same crap as well. Saying the results were rigged or some other tin foil hat lunacy. The funniest thing is how they're trying to manipulate the result. Mathematicians appear everywhere. Look at the way some go on "this minus that times 24 carry the 1 then divide by the number of budgies your grandmother mother has". etc etc 62% IS 62% no matter what


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#1441583 - 18/11/2017 11:46 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
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Originally Posted By: RC
The thing is though, blind freddy could have predicted this outcome.

Millions of dollars wasted.

A bit like this current federal political debacle on who is eligible to be in parliament.

Now if you have anything to do with any government you are ineligible to run for parliament. It really opens up a huge can of worms. If you were a GP for example. You could argue if you bulk bill you are getting a benefit under the crown. Or what if you were working for a company that got government funding or a subsidy.

You could nearly argue every person in Australia is ineligible as every person in some way benefits from federal government.


It wasn't a waste of money. The whole point of the vote was to put those against it in an untenable position to make any arguments to try and stop it. Which will work. Any debate now will be centered around protections of religious beliefs rather than against marriage equality. And as much as i dislike religion in general that is fair enough. But marriage equality is now utterly assured when before it wasn't. Both sides have prevented it in the past and there is a chance it may have been prevented again if it had just been down to a parliamentary vote.


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#1441585 - 18/11/2017 11:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: rain gauge]
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Originally Posted By: rain gauge
Yes exactly cold front. The ads on tv were total horsh*t.
And I know many who were/are very upset about the entire process. Imagine having your life under the microscope?

I see on FB many on the so-called pro marriage groups are still peddling the same crap as well. Saying the results were rigged or some other tin foil hat lunacy. The funniest thing is how they're trying to manipulate the result. Mathematicians appear everywhere. Look at the way some go on "this minus that times 24 carry the 1 then divide by the number of budgies your grandmother mother has". etc etc 62% IS 62% no matter what


Turnbull wasn't allowed to have a vote on the floor because some members of the Coalition had already threatened to cross the floor and vote yes. Everything afterwards is aftermath.
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#1441598 - 18/11/2017 14:07 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
No excuse for the money they wasted on this. It was a delay tactic by the conservatives and nothing more.


But then the highest opposition to SSM was in Labor electorates.

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#1441605 - 18/11/2017 14:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront




No surprise on the Labor electorates. Many in fringe areas where Muslim and Asian populations hold conservative views on marriage. Nothing to do with which side of politics they support and purely down to religious beliefs.

The real surprise was Abbott's electorate and it is a major kick in the teeth for him.
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#1441609 - 18/11/2017 15:22 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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My issue is the lack of protection for those who are truly religious.

Example. On the way to town is a servo run by 7th Day Adventists. So true to their religion that they close at dusk on Friday and do not re-open until Sunday. Not only are they the servo they are the everything else shop including bakery stuff. Saturday would be a highly profitable day for them with travellers but they adhere to their religious edict that Saturday is rest day.

Now if this passes into legislation without proper religious belief protections that means if someone walks in and says "I want to order a wedding cake with 2 men as the topper and reading congratulations Larry and Benjamin" if they refuse to make it/sell it they are open to being sued.

So it appears that one group are getting 'rights' whilst others are having theirs taken away. That doesn't sit right with me. People can call "They can not be allowed to discriminate" "It is only a cake" all they want. They are entitled to their religion and no one should be allowed to force them to do something against it or their interpretation of it.

It would be wrong to sue a Muslim catering company for using their religion and refusing your business because they are unwilling to serve a roast pig at a wedding reception. After all "It is only meat".

And before anyone wants to call me a 'gayphobic' or anything else my kids have friends who are gay. They are all welcome in my house the same as any other friends. Treated the same as any one else including making special meals to suit their eating habits. Welcome to move in if they need a safe place.

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#1441625 - 18/11/2017 17:30 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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I have no issue at all with their choice to block supply to SSM clients provided it is public knowledge so that others having conventional marriage but support SSM have the right to NOT use them if they choose.
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#1441667 - 19/11/2017 12:08 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Has anyone else noticed a cheeky cash grab by the QLD and NSW governments?

This container deposit system. You have to return empties to a vending machine to get your money back. This might work well if you buy a drink at one end of the Queen St Mall and put it in a machine at the other end. I doubt they will be installing one in my small community. Ormany other small communities. This means those of us who store our empty cans and take them to the recyling centre and get 10c a kilo for our cans will be yet again be shafted. An extra 22c a can with maybe one cent recovered when we recyle it.

Companies say that this new tax is going to increase the price of a can of drink by 20c. Oops, better add in that extra 2c for the gst.

This is where the governments are going to make lots of money. The local pub sells beer by the can, spirits in premix cans. Remember the govt has already made 12c per can the other 10 is administration costs. The publican isn't going to pay someone $20 an hour to drive all these cans to vending machine and to stand there feeding them in one by one. Why would he? He will just increase the price to cover the extra tax. So into the recyling they go for the bin collection. Now the local govt picks them up and sells them to the recylers. Profit for them.

Hopefully some of this money will come back to us. In QLD, as is usual, it will just go into the money pit that is the GreatSouthEast.

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#1441778 - 20/11/2017 15:24 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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]Former Liberal frontbencher Sophie Mirabella goes to work for Gina Rinehart

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...812-gqr4fb.html

Having no moral compass, Sophie is well skilled to work in todays corporate world.
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#1441786 - 20/11/2017 17:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
]Former Liberal frontbencher Sophie Mirabella goes to work for Gina Rinehart

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...812-gqr4fb.html

I think we should havea similar rule as trump brougbt in in the states where pollies must wait a period of five years? Before they can work in areas that they had to deal with while in politics. Too much chance for corruption. Same situation when the former QLD premier (Anna Bligh) went to the banks. Dodgy as.
Having no moral compass, Sophie is well skilled to work in todays corporate world.

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#1441808 - 20/11/2017 22:26 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ozthunder]
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Originally Posted By: ozthunder
]Former Liberal frontbencher Sophie Mirabella goes to work for Gina Rinehart

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...812-gqr4fb.html

Having no moral compass, Sophie is well skilled to work in todays corporate world.


This is a disgusting attack on someone’s character and probably defamatory. Sophie hasn’t been in Parliament for what, 3 or 4 years now? What she does now is absolutely irrelevant. She’s entitled to make a living.

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#1441816 - 20/11/2017 23:26 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Disgusting attack ? Hardly. She is getting political favour for her part in scrapping the MRRT among other shady deals this corrupt government is up to its neck in and is fair game for it.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/business/gina-r...ec86d1fb58b5a08
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#1441844 - 21/11/2017 09:10 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
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Originally Posted By: Kino
Originally Posted By: ozthunder
]Former Liberal frontbencher Sophie Mirabella goes to work for Gina Rinehart

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...812-gqr4fb.html

Having no moral compass, Sophie is well skilled to work in todays corporate world.


This is a disgusting attack on someone’s character and probably defamatory. Sophie hasn’t been in Parliament for what, 3 or 4 years now? What she does now is absolutely irrelevant. She’s entitled to make a living.


She has moral compass as she had a short relationship with a much older man, which broke up - nothing wrong with that. But when he developed illness that may have also clouded his judgement she took over his 'affairs' and made herself sole beneficiary of the estate. In old fashioned terms "wrote the biological children out of the will". Something Gina could probably relate to.
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#1441909 - 21/11/2017 18:16 Re: Australian Politics [Re: bundybear]
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Originally Posted By: bundybear
In QLD, as is usual, it will just go into the money pit that is the GreatSouthEast.



Well it is looking increasing like Labor will get back in. You should check out Labor's proposed reef laws. The government itself says the average sugar cane farm in the Mary Burnett region it is going to have an upfront cost of over $180 000 to comply and $30 000 a year every year thereafter. For grazing land it is $135 000 one off and $20 000 every year after.

http://www.ehp.qld.gov.au/assets/documen...ris-summary.pdf

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#1441911 - 21/11/2017 18:56 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Better money in Macadamias anyway and less destructive to the environment and people's health.
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#1441914 - 21/11/2017 19:48 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Ok , has anyone got an idea who the coalition MP is who has threatened to become a cross bencher if Turnbull is still PM ?
Could it be Abbott ?

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#1441917 - 21/11/2017 20:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Cheers]
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Originally Posted By: Cheers
Ok , has anyone got an idea who the coalition MP is who has threatened to become a cross bencher if Turnbull is still PM ?
Could it be Abbott ?


No
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#1441932 - 21/11/2017 22:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Sky News commentator Andrew Bolt knows.....I wonder how much pressure he is under to reveal his secret.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics...500cf3c81a0849e


Edited by Red Watch (21/11/2017 22:52)

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#1441937 - 21/11/2017 23:43 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
No excuse for the money they wasted on this. It was a delay tactic by the conservatives and nothing more. A very expensive one that only further vilified the LGBTI community.

The NO campaign ads on TV should never have been allowed as they were straight out lies. The women that participated in them should hang their heads in shame. Obviously our advertising standards have gone to shyte.

Yes ColdFront those women should hang their heads as my wife is a teacher and was appalled by the ads. And a big mistake was the ads said this was happening in schools now but the SSM has not been legislated on yet. SSM is a legal issue not a moral one as LGBT people (which includes same sex couples) can become parents through various means including current or former relationships, coparenting, adoption, donor insemination, and surrogacy. It is only about their legal rights as parents in custody, divorce and other marital issues that heterosexual couples have that concerns them.


Edited by Red Watch (21/11/2017 23:44)

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#1441949 - 22/11/2017 07:13 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
Sky News commentator Andrew Bolt knows.....I wonder how much pressure he is under to reveal his secret.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics...500cf3c81a0849e


Could be just the media stirring the pot but possibly one of the far right wing nut jobs that actually destroyed the party by refusing to let Turnbull lead.

The Liberal party are masters at blaming someone else, but the Australian public has stopped listening so now they are turning on each other instead.
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