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#1443995 - 06/12/2017 07:55 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Beltane]
Brett Guy Offline
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Originally Posted By: Beltane
If Lord Waffle of Wentworth and Bill the Spiv are the best two people to run their respective parties, then we have plenty to worry about.

The citizenship issue should have been resolved the day after the first politician was caught out. Instead we have constant lies and deceit, expensive legal bills and another distraction from the job at hand.

The Governor General must put and end to this rubbish now. He cannot confidently sign off on anything passed through this circus and rabble of a Parliament. These bottom feeders in Canberra are all a complete embarrassment to our once great country.


It isn't surprising that things are going downhill for us. And it isn't just Aus. The west n general is going backwards due to being so divided. Just look at who the US had to choose between. Europe is a mess. It is universal across the western world

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#1443996 - 06/12/2017 08:01 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Originally Posted By: Mick10


Actually it was world war 2 that saw women enter the workforce in droves.


Only temporarily though. The unions got them booted back to the kitchen when the war was over and the men came home.

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#1443997 - 06/12/2017 08:36 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
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Originally Posted By: RC
Originally Posted By: Mick10


Actually it was world war 2 that saw women enter the workforce in droves.


Only temporarily though. The unions got them booted back to the kitchen when the war was over and the men came home.


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#1444018 - 06/12/2017 13:11 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
Red Watch Offline
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Originally Posted By: RC
Originally Posted By: Red Watch

"Surely, when you look at history, the distinction must go to John Howard. When you look back, you see that virtually every governmental trouble afflicting Australia now had its genesis in one or another of the Howard government's policies."


Nope it was in the sixties, or really the well to do baby boomers and then each generation since has had increasing numbers of living out of touch with reality as we head down the socialist road.

Then we had all the females gender staying in work which has created problems for Australia along with what would have been factory workers moving to low skilled university degree jobs.

It is funny how right wing voters use Howard as an example of how to run an economy yet economists say he benefited from Keatings industrial reforms and the mining boom and he should have had a higher surplus than he did because he wasted a lot of it. Read the article I posted as it may give you a reality check.

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#1444019 - 06/12/2017 13:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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LOL a Fairfax aka Communist Party article? No thanks, worse than Murdoch (and that's saying something).


Edited by Kino (06/12/2017 13:12)

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#1444022 - 06/12/2017 13:25 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch

It is funny how right wing voters use Howard as an example of how to run an economy


Only the silly ones. Howard accelerated Australia's systemic problems at a huge rate.

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#1444023 - 06/12/2017 13:34 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
ColdFront Offline
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
Originally Posted By: RC
Originally Posted By: Red Watch

"Surely, when you look at history, the distinction must go to John Howard. When you look back, you see that virtually every governmental trouble afflicting Australia now had its genesis in one or another of the Howard government's policies."


Nope it was in the sixties, or really the well to do baby boomers and then each generation since has had increasing numbers of living out of touch with reality as we head down the socialist road.

Then we had all the females gender staying in work which has created problems for Australia along with what would have been factory workers moving to low skilled university degree jobs.

It is funny how right wing voters use Howard as an example of how to run an economy yet economists say he benefited from Keatings industrial reforms and the mining boom and he should have had a higher surplus than he did because he wasted a lot of it. Read the article I posted as it may give you a reality check.


Most prolific spending PM of all time and all with nothing to show for it. if he had spent it on infrastructure it might have stood for something. Duplication of the Pacific and Bruce Highways should have been completed under his government .
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#1444025 - 06/12/2017 13:40 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
RC Offline
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront

Most prolific spending PM of all time and all with nothing to show for it. if he had spent it on infrastructure it might have stood for something. Duplication of the Pacific and Bruce Highways should have been completed under his government .


No different to Qld Labor though.

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#1444028 - 06/12/2017 13:49 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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LOL most prolific spending....yet had most in the bank and NIL Govt debt than any Government since Moses took over.

Here's an issue most leftists don't understand - it's ok, no it's great, to spend money when you have plenty in the bank and NIL debt. You can argue spending priorities all night and day; they will always differ. But you can't argue that it's ok to spend cash you don't have ala current and previous few Govts.

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#1444031 - 06/12/2017 14:12 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
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Looks like the "rolled gold" Labor MP vetting process has turned out to be made of pyrite.

Labor pushed this and now looks like it has come back to bite them.

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#1444037 - 06/12/2017 15:15 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Kino]
Red Watch Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kino
LOL most prolific spending....yet had most in the bank and NIL Govt debt than any Government since Moses took over.

Here's an issue most leftists don't understand - it's ok, no it's great, to spend money when you have plenty in the bank and NIL debt. You can argue spending priorities all night and day; they will always differ. But you can't argue that it's ok to spend cash you don't have ala current and previous few Govts.

I said in my last post about how Howard got his surplus rightyo.....some more reading for you.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics...2e11fe0eb7e1990
https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/13/myth-of-coalition-govts-howard-the-biggest-spender-of-all/
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/11/howard-was-a-big-spender-who-knew/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/01...013_a_21656237/
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/imf-review-how...nments-past-200


Edited by Red Watch (06/12/2017 15:22)

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#1444038 - 06/12/2017 15:17 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
Red Watch Offline
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Originally Posted By: RC
Looks like the "rolled gold" Labor MP vetting process has turned out to be made of pyrite.

Labor pushed this and now looks like it has come back to bite them.
I agree RC he should not have said that, and I do think Shorten should have stood down after he lost the last election because that is the best time to change leaders.

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#1444039 - 06/12/2017 15:35 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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It is not half obvious to work out how Howard got his surplus.

There was a short sugar hit to finances from the Hawke/Keating era where everything was deregulated and sold off.

All the spare cash is all used up now, and now we are drowning is a sea of debt, regulation and low productivity. But of course it keeps people employed, even if they are digging their own financial graves.

It is no wonder then it's unlikely there will ever be any great entrepreneurs in Australia in the forseeable future.

It is amazing how running a country, the fundamentals are similar to growing animals on a farm, as the people of a country have similar characteristics as the animals.


Edited by RC (06/12/2017 15:36)

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#1444041 - 06/12/2017 15:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
Originally Posted By: Kino
LOL most prolific spending....yet had most in the bank and NIL Govt debt than any Government since Moses took over.

Here's an issue most leftists don't understand - it's ok, no it's great, to spend money when you have plenty in the bank and NIL debt. You can argue spending priorities all night and day; they will always differ. But you can't argue that it's ok to spend cash you don't have ala current and previous few Govts.

I said in my last post about how Howard got his surplus rightyo.....some more reading for you.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics...2e11fe0eb7e1990
https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/13/myth-of-coalition-govts-howard-the-biggest-spender-of-all/
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/11/howard-was-a-big-spender-who-knew/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/01...013_a_21656237/
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/imf-review-how...nments-past-200


You missed this one
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...0110-2cj32.html
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#1444043 - 06/12/2017 16:05 Re: Australian Politics [Re: RC]
Gad Offline
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Registered: 27/12/2010
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Originally Posted By: RC



It is no wonder then it's unlikely there will ever be any great entrepreneurs in Australia in the forseeable future.

It is amazing how running a country, the fundamentals are similar to growing animals on a farm, as the people of a country have similar characteristics as the animals.


yes,future Australians will be disadvantaged with out the likes of Bond, Gore and Skase in their prime evil, but Crazy Dick is still here, although every one is importing quality from china these days.
Yes, with the younger generations into body piecings the nose ring is making a come back

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#1444045 - 06/12/2017 16:57 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
Red Watch Offline
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Originally Posted By: Red Watch
Originally Posted By: Kino
LOL most prolific spending....yet had most in the bank and NIL Govt debt than any Government since Moses took over.

Here's an issue most leftists don't understand - it's ok, no it's great, to spend money when you have plenty in the bank and NIL debt. You can argue spending priorities all night and day; they will always differ. But you can't argue that it's ok to spend cash you don't have ala current and previous few Govts.

I said in my last post about how Howard got his surplus rightyo.....some more reading for you.
http://www.news.com.au/national/politics...2e11fe0eb7e1990
https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/13/myth-of-coalition-govts-howard-the-biggest-spender-of-all/
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/01/11/howard-was-a-big-spender-who-knew/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2017/01...013_a_21656237/
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/imf-review-how...nments-past-200


You missed this one
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...0110-2cj32.html

He doesn't like that news source apparently, and the others were all on the first page of my google search.

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#1444047 - 06/12/2017 17:23 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
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not really sure where you are going with these links, top one is about former PMs spending on flights, second article is written by one of Julia Gillards former advisors, hardly a reliable source, third one actually goes against the IMF report which didnt look at Australia specifically when looking at previous government spending, fourth one is again on former PM spending after retirement, and the last one from the USA again goes on about the same IMF report.

I have expresssed my views before on the last years of Howard, that last term was very poor and wasteful. I didnt vote for Howard in that 2007 election, he had to go. He should have stepped aside, he didnt and the majority dumped him.
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#1444048 - 06/12/2017 17:40 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Mick10]
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Yea some links were personal spending habits but this one I did not post because Kino doesn't like the source says it all....
"Australia's most needlessly wasteful spending took place under the John Howard-led Coalition government rather than under the Whitlam, Rudd or Gillard Labor governments, an international study has found.

The International Monetary Fund examined 200 years of government financial records across 55 leading economies.

It identifies only two periods of Australian "fiscal profligacy" in recent years, both during John Howard's term in office - in 2003 at the start of the mining boom and during his final years in office between 2005 and 2007.

The Rudd government's stimulus spending during the financial crisis doesn't rate as profligate because the measure makes allowance for spending needed to stabilise the economy.
The Whitlam Labor government of 1972 to 1975 also escapes censure."
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/p...0110-2cj32.html
And more...
ACCORDING TO THE LINE flogged relentlessly for the last six years by the federal Coalition and the mainstream media, the Howard-Costello years – 1996 to 2007 – were a period of wonderful money management.

“The Government of John Howard now looks like a lost golden age of reform and prosperity” is a favourite Tony Abbott mantra.

Like countless propositions repeated ad nauseum by Australia’s media, the opposite is the truth. In fact, the Howard years are widely regarded outside Australia as dismally disappointing.

Or, according to some, like veteran economics writer Kenneth Davidson:

“What has happened under Costello's watch is a major financial disaster.”
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/we-really-must-talk-about-the-howard-and-costello-economic-disaster,5686


Edited by Red Watch (06/12/2017 17:48)

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#1444049 - 06/12/2017 17:47 Re: Australian Politics [Re: ColdFront]
Red Watch Offline
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From about the 20th-ranked economy in 1982, Australia had risen by 1996 to sixth in the world — behind only the United Arab Emirates, Norway, Singapore, Japan and the United States.

That’s measured by the variables: income, growth, wealth, jobs, inflation, interest rates, taxes, economic freedom and credit ratings.

By 2007, however, at the end of the wasted Howard years, Australia had slipped back in the rankings to 10th place.

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#1444050 - 06/12/2017 18:06 Re: Australian Politics [Re: Red Watch]
Gad Offline
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Originally Posted By: Red Watch
Originally Posted By: RC
Looks like the "rolled gold" Labor MP vetting process has turned out to be made of pyrite.

Labor pushed this and now looks like it has come back to bite them.
I agree RC he should not have said that, and I do think Shorten should have stood down after he lost the last election because that is the best time to change leaders.


seems like others are more concerned about who gets bitten
Labor fails in push to refer MPs to High Court over dual citizenship
A tied vote in the House of Representatives means nine federal politicians — four Liberal, four Labor and one crossbencher — will not be referred to the High Court over dual citizenship concerns
The members include David Feeney, Justine Keay, Josh Wilson, Susan Lamb, Julia Banks, Alex Hawke, Nola Marino, Jason Falinski and Rebekha Sharkie.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-06/politics-live-december-6/9231696

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