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#1476288 - 20/11/2018 23:55 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
I mis-worded my reply . Distinctive bite marks are admissible in court.

Yes, if images were taken. This happened on Sept 30, so the marks would be well and truly healed by now.

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#1476290 - 21/11/2018 00:00 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: hickory]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
I mis-worded my reply . Distinctive bite marks are admissible in court.

Yes, if images were taken. This happened on Sept 30, so the marks would be well and truly healed by now.



None of the articles suggest it was only recently reported. There is sometimes a lengthy procedure before someone is formerly charged. The NRL grandfinal was only 7 weeks ago.

From one article...

"Off-contract NRL star Jarryd Hayne is reportedly being investigated by the NSW Sex Crimes Squad after an alleged sexual assault on NRL grand final night this year.
Channel 9 reports Hayne is the subject of a police investigation after a woman made allegations of sexual assault against him after the pair met up in the Hunter Region on September 30.

According to the report, the woman, who had been in contact with Hayne via social media, claims she suffered injuries during the sexual encounter with the former Test player and has photographic evidence."
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#1476293 - 21/11/2018 00:33 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Originally Posted By: hickory
Originally Posted By: ColdFront
I mis-worded my reply . Distinctive bite marks are admissible in court.

Yes, if images were taken. This happened on Sept 30, so the marks would be well and truly healed by now.



None of the articles suggest it was only recently reported. There is sometimes a lengthy procedure before someone is formerly charged. The NRL grandfinal was only 7 weeks ago.

From one article...
"According to the report, the woman, who had been in contact with Hayne via social media, claims she suffered injuries during the sexual encounter with the former Test player and has photographic evidence."

I'm thinking she has taken the image/s of her bite/s.
I'm sure that, on Dec 10, a whole lot more will be revealed.

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#1476298 - 21/11/2018 07:57 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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It seems they were in the genital region and may of been taken at the hospital. This will be the reason it is sexual assault charge.

I think the plane is about to be grounded. 20 yrs is a beat up, rarely get that for these days.

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#1476304 - 21/11/2018 08:56 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Gee times sure have changed since I was a young, single guy...all this hooking up via social media and Tinder and in the heat of the moment when a girl said "eat me" they didn't mean it quite so literally..!.....


I can understand why the woman was reluctant to initially come forward..if it goes to trial her whole life will be a nightmare as it will become a media circus and Haynes legal team will go to any length to discredit her...

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#1476369 - 21/11/2018 18:19 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: scott12]
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With the USA case, it was probably a case of his big head getting the better of him (rather than his little head) probably trying to brag what a big star he is, and now he is a famous NFL player.... Hence why she wants to sue him for big dollars.
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#1476753 - 24/11/2018 14:53 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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She's a gold digger, for sure. The cops were happy that he didn't have a case to answer and did nothing, then a year later, all of a sudden she initiates a civil suit.

The document even states:- "For a money judgment representing compensatory damages". Dated Dec 19th 2017

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#1476761 - 24/11/2018 17:16 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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That's the purpose of a civil suit.
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#1476764 - 24/11/2018 18:27 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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But compensation for what, if the cops say he isn't guilty of breaking any law ??
He's committed no crime.

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#1476766 - 24/11/2018 18:50 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: hickory]
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Originally Posted By: hickory
But compensation for what, if the cops say he isn't guilty of breaking any law ??
He's committed no crime.


The cops didn't say that at all mate..they said they didn't have the evidence to charge him...I think its a very complicated situation...the girl got in over her head ..maybe she wanted something more than Wham,bam,thankyou mam with 20 minute Jarryd..or more probably she was put in a detrimental situation by an older more experienced, predatory guy that was bigger, stronger and full of alcohol and testosterone and once she let it drag on for whatever reason then there goes any physical evidence and then its just a he said/she said situation....I dont know what happened only that's charges and convictions often have little to do with actual guilt or innocence in the real world..


Also I think sometimes only hindsight can determine was was acceptable behaviour and what was abuse, particularly if you are talking about egocentric celebrities and women who are relatively inexperienced in the wiles of fellas looking for an easy lay...

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#1476770 - 24/11/2018 19:56 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Plus the burden of guilt is less to win a civil trial....think back to OJ Simpson..

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#1476781 - 24/11/2018 23:09 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: hickory]
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Originally Posted By: hickory
But compensation for what, if the cops say he isn't guilty of breaking any law ??
He's committed no crime.


If only it was that simple. That's not what they said in the interview I saw. In the USA they don't pursue where they don't think they have sufficient evidence to win the case.

I remember one of those "not guilty" celebrities being tailed by numerous police cars on live TV once upon a time as he fled a crime scene.
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#1476787 - 25/11/2018 05:38 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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My point is how can he be made to pay her compensation, for a crime that, (in the eyes of the law), wasn't committed ?

I'm not saying he is innocent, but as they laid no charges,- to them he is an innocent man. Insufficient evidence maybe, but you don't pay compensation for a non-existent crime.

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#1476803 - 25/11/2018 10:49 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: hickory]
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Originally Posted By: hickory
but you don't pay compensation for a non-existent crime.


https://www.bustle.com/articles/152048-w...not-mean-guilty
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#1476859 - 25/11/2018 19:02 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Originally Posted By: hickory
but you don't pay compensation for a non-existent crime.


https://www.bustle.com/articles/152048-w...not-mean-guilty


"in a criminal trial, the jury must unanimously find the defendant guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" in order to convict."

With Hayne there was no criminal trial to prove 'guilt' or 'no guilt'.

"the same burden of proof does not exist in civil cases, which merely require what's referred to as a "preponderance of evidence." According to Cornell University Law School, that "preponderance of evidence" means that at least "50 percent of the evidence points to something," rather than requiring a unanimous decision".

Again - there was no criminal trial against Hayne for there to even be a "preponderance of evidence" for "at least "50 percent of the evidence points to something,".

An interesting article all the same. The US legal system seems fairly unique, but in a country where a dog can sue it's master, nothing surprises me.

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#1476887 - 25/11/2018 21:27 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Yes I read out. I believe the criminal case is entirely independent of a civil suit.
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#1476901 - 26/11/2018 03:07 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Originally Posted By: ColdFront
Yes I read out. I believe the criminal case is entirely independent of a civil suit.

That was a well put together article you linked.
But he may be in the slammer here before the US civil matter is heard. laugh

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#1476989 - 26/11/2018 16:16 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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Yeah maybe.
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#1477936 - 30/11/2018 15:37 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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#1478006 - 01/12/2018 14:34 Re: NRL Season 2018 [Re: ColdFront]
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They can't be too broke if they just signed Shaun Johnson for 3 years.

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