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#1455378 - 02/03/2018 02:21 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
Posts: 25465
Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
This storm missing me by 2km yet again. 5th storm in a week that missed me by "that much"
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June 2019 total - 27.8mm (21.2mm)
July 2019 total - 0.0mm (14.9mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 2049.9mm (1129mm)

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#1455379 - 02/03/2018 02:59 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
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Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
Storm spread eastwards, awesome bolts from inner burbs.
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June 2019 total - 27.8mm (21.2mm)
July 2019 total - 0.0mm (14.9mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 2049.9mm (1129mm)

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#1455381 - 02/03/2018 06:26 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
rainthisway Offline
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Registered: 09/11/2015
Posts: 810
Loc: Watsonville, Atherton Tablelan...
Storm leap frogged me lol died to my north and reintensfied to my south.
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#1455384 - 02/03/2018 06:42 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
dormant Offline
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Registered: 30/01/2011
Posts: 748
Loc: near ferry, FNQ
80%, incredible!

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#1455388 - 02/03/2018 07:30 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: dormant]
Wezza Offline
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Registered: 15/01/2008
Posts: 770
Loc: North Ward, Townsville. Toll, ...
Originally Posted By: dormant
80%, incredible!

Happy days! laugh

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#1455402 - 02/03/2018 08:59 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
Posts: 25465
Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
25.6mm last 24 hours
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June 2019 total - 27.8mm (21.2mm)
July 2019 total - 0.0mm (14.9mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 2049.9mm (1129mm)

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#1455404 - 02/03/2018 09:11 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
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Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 13367
Loc: Townsville & Bilyana NQ
25mm in BG, mostly from that storm this morning.
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#1455405 - 02/03/2018 09:13 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
CuNimJim Offline
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Registered: 21/12/2005
Posts: 476
Loc: Whitfield, Cairns
Water level is 37.79 @ 8.02 which is approx 81.6%.

Inflow rate decreasing but with the overnight falls it continues : - )

http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDQ60290.html#Ross/Bohle
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2018 - 3,151mm
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#1455409 - 02/03/2018 09:24 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
Raindammit Offline
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Registered: 14/02/2002
Posts: 13367
Loc: Townsville & Bilyana NQ
Dam is now at it's highest level in 4 years.
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#1455413 - 02/03/2018 09:41 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
Werner K Offline
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Registered: 28/11/2011
Posts: 599
Loc: Flinders Park, SA
Great to see that you guys have finally got some rainfall and that your water supply has had a decent top up!

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#1455459 - 02/03/2018 16:06 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
SBT Offline
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Registered: 07/02/2007
Posts: 14286
Loc: Townsville Dry Tropics
6mm overnight and 1mm since 0900.
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799mm Feb
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2019 Total 1714mm
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#1455464 - 02/03/2018 16:31 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
rainthisway Offline
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Registered: 09/11/2015
Posts: 810
Loc: Watsonville, Atherton Tablelan...
34mm overnight

Now the dam is close to full, I have to wonder if people will remember how close they came to having no water and stick to using very little. I have found people in general have a short memory and forget that this current event is not a guarantee of things to come, youse may never have decents falls like this for years. Personally I believe they should keep water restrictions of some kind because if not before you know it your be back to 15% if no decent event happens.

Thoughts??


Edited by rainthisway (02/03/2018 16:38)
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#1455468 - 02/03/2018 16:46 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
marakai Offline
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Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2270
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
Thoughts??

Build more Dam's?

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#1455474 - 02/03/2018 17:22 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: rainthisway]
Raindammit Offline
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Registered: 14/02/2002
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Loc: Townsville & Bilyana NQ
Originally Posted By: rainthisway
34mm overnight

Now the dam is close to full, I have to wonder if people will remember how close they came to having no water and stick to using very little. I have found people in general have a short memory and forget that this current event is not a guarantee of things to come, youse may never have decents falls like this for years. Personally I believe they should keep water restrictions of some kind because if not before you know it your be back to 15% if no decent event happens.

Thoughts??


I prefer to be optimistic - most people will be very aware about how tough we've had it, how much of their gardens/lawns they have lost etc - so hopefully will be more careful with water moving forward. But yes, there will always be the GIVE MEE MOAAR WAATER crowd out their that don't give a [censored].

Looking at the past history of the dam, it should be down to around 40% capacity by December - which is the trigger for Level 1 restrictions.
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#1455476 - 02/03/2018 17:55 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
SBT Offline
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Registered: 07/02/2007
Posts: 14286
Loc: Townsville Dry Tropics
Townsville City Council has stated Level 2 will be permanent when dam is full. Its a sensible level of use that ensures that our piddling sized shallow dam can supply water for 4 years at a stretch without having to resort to pumping. It's too shallow, too wide for the depth, has miniscule catchment area and is too small to be the sole supply of water for Townsville even with Paluma supply the northern beaches etc.

Pumping from the Burdekin Dam hydro project via a 43klm long pipeline from the Clare Weir is expensive and the maximum capacity can barely maintain the evaporation rate at 14% capacity even on Level 3 restrictions. The pipeline needs to be duplicated with larger diameter pipes and better pumps.

The water for Townsville group on Facebook have many suggestions, most of which are too expensive and totally impractical such as using solar or wind to provide power with the supposed surplus being fed into the grid to offset the cost of construction - but doesn't make any mention of the ongoing and huge maintenance costs.

So what's the solution? There are a couple of options that include a new dam at Hells Gate which would need a pipe line of a 100klm or more to get it anywhere near us let alone into Ross Dam. The new pipe lines from Burdekin etc.

Desal has been put forward but if you think paying $38k a day in power and water costs to pump from the Burdekin then the $1million a day operating costs before paying the company costs for desal to provide even less water than the pipeline from the Burdekin can is just plainly bloody stupid. .
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799mm Feb
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#1455479 - 02/03/2018 18:12 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
dormant Offline
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Registered: 30/01/2011
Posts: 748
Loc: near ferry, FNQ
And if it's anything like the Cairns area more and more development occurs without any thought to where the water will come from.

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#1455481 - 02/03/2018 18:19 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
Mick10 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/2001
Posts: 25465
Loc: Kirwan, Townsville - NQld.
the Water Action group on FB is joke, got some good people on their but the admin lady is a twit. She didnt even know who the water minister was last week!!

The pipe is being duplicated, tenders are open. It will happen. The problem is, twice the water, twice the costs. The feds are paying for the water taskforce report which will hand down its findings in September based on best cost option, and also Hells Gate. So until then anything from pollies or facebook groups is just hearsay and wasted air space.
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Kirwan, Townsville Nth Qld -
June 2019 total - 27.8mm (21.2mm)
July 2019 total - 0.0mm (14.9mm)
2019 Yearly total to date - 2049.9mm (1129mm)

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#1455484 - 02/03/2018 18:29 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: dormant]
rainthisway Offline
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Registered: 09/11/2015
Posts: 810
Loc: Watsonville, Atherton Tablelan...
Originally Posted By: dormant
And if it's anything like the Cairns area more and more development occurs without any thought to where the water will come from.


This has been my concern when I have conversations about tsvs water. Lets face it townsville is in the dry trooics, these type of large rainfall events are rare in that region...anywhere south of rollingstone maybe even bluewater do not get anywhere near the rainfall that is required to independently sustain the city now without outside sourcing (eg burdakin dam). As i drive around the area you see more and more houses appearing....without something serious being done...14% dam capacity will look good compared to what it will be....as SBT has stated the pumping can only just keep the dam at 14% with evap, think whats gonna happen when 1000s more houses are built all requiring water supply. Unless hells gate or some other water solution is implemented Townsville will see 0% in the dam. Even though desal is expensive to run, you need to look at the cost of doing nothing. Bigging the current dam deeper might be a solution but how do you do that without emptying the dam first.
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#1455489 - 02/03/2018 19:16 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: marakai]
hickory Offline
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Registered: 27/01/2006
Posts: 1656
Loc: Holloways Beach QLD
Originally Posted By: marakai
Thoughts??
Build more Dam's?

Shooting all the bleating greenies & do-gooders would be the first thing to do.
Too many gov't departments pander to their whinging.

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#1455499 - 02/03/2018 20:21 Re: North Queensland Wet Season - Cardwell to Bowen - March 2018 [Re: Raindammit]
marakai Offline
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Registered: 05/01/2006
Posts: 2270
Loc: Maryfarms NQ
Originally Posted By: Raindammit
Originally Posted By: rainthisway
34mm overnight

Now the dam is close to full, I have to wonder if people will remember how close they came to having no water and stick to using very little. I have found people in general have a short memory and forget that this current event is not a guarantee of things to come, youse may never have decents falls like this for years. Personally I believe they should keep water restrictions of some kind because if not before you know it your be back to 15% if no decent event happens.

Thoughts??


I prefer to be optimistic - most people will be very aware about how tough we've had it, how much of their gardens/lawns they have lost etc - so hopefully will be more careful with water moving forward. But yes, there will always be the GIVE MEE MOAAR WAATER crowd out their that don't give a [censored].

Looking at the past history of the dam, it should be down to around 40% capacity by December - which is the trigger for Level 1 restrictions.


There is absolutely Zero excuses in this day and age for a City the size of Townsville or Cairns for that matter to be at risk of running out of water, ZERO.

The only thing stopping adequate water supply is "politics" pure and simple. It is exactly the same scenario as power supply in the Southern States.

Poor infrastructure planning and Lack of Spine from those responsible is the main fault.

If they were truly serious about the excuses for an adequate lack of water they would instigate a freeze on any sort of population growth and industry, so that those currently in the Area still have a poor supply going forward.

People harp on about the "cost" of new supply, but what does it cost right now and into the future without an adequate supply of water ? You can either treat water as a right or a commodity but in either case it is an essential need.

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